KILLINGS OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS BY ISRAELI FORCES

[Esanta]

Atheists have no problem distorting truth. What this person fails to mention with his map is that virtually all the land Israel gained was as a result of muslim moon worshipers attacking Israel in 1948, 1967, and 1973 because they refused the Jews to have ANY land. Also it is critical to note that Egypt participated in, and got it's butt kicked against Israel and subsequently lost the Sinai peninsula, ISRAEL GAVE IT BACK WILLINGLY WHEN EGYPT SIGNED A PEACE TREATY RECOGNIZING THE JEWISH NATION.

Muslim and Jewish Palestinians and Israelis fought side by side against the Nazis in Northern Africa, and the Israelis were repaid after the war with worldwide sympathy, a large state and British asylum and power, while Palestinians were rewarded with land that was soon taken illegally by Jordan and Egypt while Israel, Britain and the US stood by and did nothing.

Now, Israeli settlers occupy what should be Palestine land, and the Palestinians are constantly reported as terrorists in media, yet the numerous occasions of Israeli settlers bombing schools full of children, terrorizing civilian homes and targeting Palestinian Muslim, Jewish and Christian civilians are never reported, nor are the Israeli army shootings of schoolkids who refuse to be trapped behind roadblocks that disallow them simple travel to school.

I say any killing of innocents is unjust, but what is compounding that unjustness is people like you trying to say that the Palestinians are the sole cause of the problem. You act like Palestine only comprises Muslims, that small pockets of terrorists should be lumped in with hundreds of thousands of civilians and that the use of extraordinarily excessive force, evidenced by the fact that Israel have killed over 20 times as many civilians as Palestine, is warranted.

If anything, the Palestinian Christians, Jews and Muslims alike deserve the land they rightfully owned, they deserve rights to military allowances and they deserve to be able to build adequate provisions to stop the pockets of terrorists who instigate conflicts in the first place. They deserve, like the majority of the Israeli people currently can, to live with clean water, shelter, food, security, access to education, healthcare and of course peace of mind.

At present, Palestinians have none of these things.

 

[Atwood]

There is a much easier solution, for the Israeli government to do as the majority of Israelis ask and give back the Palestinians the land they were promised by the British after the war, properly, rather than some insulting pittance.

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That is not the Palestinian Mandate at all. Look at it below and see how much land was given to the Palestinians & Muslims on the East side of Jordan compared with the little given to the Jews on the West side of Jordan.

 

[Atwood]

There is a much easier solution, for the Israeli government to do as the majority of Israelis ask and give back the Palestinians the land they were promised by the British after the war, properly, rather than some insulting pittance.

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That is not the Palestinian Mandate at all. Look at it below and see how much land was given to the Palestinians & Muslims on the East side of Jordan compared with the little given to the Jews on the West side of Jordan. The insulting pittance was given to the Jews. The Muslims have a huge territory stretching across the globe from Algeria to Indonesia.

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[Esanta]

That is not the Palestinian Mandate at all. Look at it below and see how much land was given to the Palestinians & Muslims on the East side of Jordan compared with the little given to the Jews on the West side of Jordan. The insulting pittance was given to the Jews. The Muslims have a huge territory stretching across the globe from Algeria to Indonesia.

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You do know that this mandate was created in 1922 and dissolved in 1948 when the state of Israel was created after WW2 and the Holocaust, predominantly pushed by Jewish settlers?

Palestinians were left with virtually nothing, considering Jordan's illegal occupations and of course Egypt's.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Speaking of Nazis...

Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism - Discover the Networks

Arabs Fly Nazi Flag above the highway between Halhoul and the Etzion Bloc. Arab residents of Beit Umar in the Palestinian Authority (PA) have placed a Nazi flag over a major thoroughfare where Jews pass in their vehicles. Beit Umar is located a half hour south of Jerusalem, between Halhoul and the Etzion Bloc, not far from Hevron.

A similar event took place at Beit Umar in May, when hundreds of residents of Gush Etzion who drove down Highway 60 were astounded to see an oversized Nazi flag flying next to a mosque in the Arab town. In a recent key speech, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu quoted numerous historical sources showing that the leader of the Palestinian Arabs in the first half of the 20th century, Mufti Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, was “one of the initiators of the Holocaust of the Jews of Europe,” and that he was constantly encouraging the Nazi leadership to annihilate the Jews, throughout the war. He cited evidence that the Mufti even visited the gas chambers at Auschwitz with Adolf Eichmann.

"The Mufti is still a greatly admired figure in the Palestinian national movement," said Netanyahu. "These are the weeds that need to be uprooted," he said. "The root of the conflict is the deep resistance among a hard core of Palestinians to the right of the Jewish people to its own state in Israel."

 

[Atwood]

You do know that this mandate was created in 1922 and dissolved in 1948 when the state of Israel was created after WW2 and the Holocaust, predominantly pushed by Jewish settlers?

Palestinians were left with virtually nothing, considering Jordan's illegal occupations and of course Egypt's.

Absurd. Jordan is a Palestinian state. The muslims got the lion's share. And look at the world. while the Jews get a postage stamp, the muslims have huge territory from Algeria to Indonesia. and they demand all the world! And they will take it by sword if they can. And after the Jews get their little postage stamp, while the Palestinians got the huge east of the Jordan, why they want all of the Jews' territory also, every last square inch. Who do you think you are fooling?

 

[Esanta]

Speaking of Nazis...

Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism - Discover the Networks

Arabs Fly Nazi Flag above the highway between Halhoul and the Etzion Bloc. Arab residents of Beit Umar in the Palestinian Authority (PA) have placed a Nazi flag over a major thoroughfare where Jews pass in their vehicles. Beit Umar is located a half hour south of Jerusalem, between Halhoul and the Etzion Bloc, not far from Hevron.

A similar event took place at Beit Umar in May, when hundreds of residents of Gush Etzion who drove down Highway 60 were astounded to see an oversized Nazi flag flying next to a mosque in the Arab town. In a recent key speech, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu quoted numerous historical sources showing that the leader of the Palestinian Arabs in the first half of the 20th century, Mufti Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, was “one of the initiators of the Holocaust of the Jews of Europe,” and that he was constantly encouraging the Nazi leadership to annihilate the Jews, throughout the war. He cited evidence that the Mufti even visited the gas chambers at Auschwitz with Adolf Eichmann.

"The Mufti is still a greatly admired figure in the Palestinian national movement," said Netanyahu. "These are the weeds that need to be uprooted," he said. "The root of the conflict is the deep resistance among a hard core of Palestinians to the right of the Jewish people to its own state in Israel."

Really?

In Northern Ireland recently, Republicans have taken to putting up Palestinian flags in support of Palestine, since their cause is similar, and Loyalists, in hatred, have taken to putting up Jewish flags in deliberate support of whatever is against Republicans. Like that, some bitter Palestinians put up Nazi flags because it opposes Israel, not necessarily because they believe in Hitler and what he stood for. Just like a large proportion of the hardline Loyalists in Northern Ireland have no idea what the conflict is over, yet they fly Jewish flags, the Palestinians likely don't know the intricacies of Hitler's views and what led him to them, yet they may fly Nazi flags.

Two instances of some men flying a flag most certainly do not mean Palestine as a whole advocates the eradication of the Jews, more like Palestine are opposed to what Israel are doing.

It could even by ironically symbolic, since Israel are committing a genocide.

 

[Esanta]

Absurd. Jordan is a Palestinian state. The muslims got the lion's share. And look at the world. while the Jews get a postage stamp, the muslims have huge territory from Algeria to Indonesia. and they demand all the world! And they will take it by sword if they can. And after the Jews get their little postage stamp, while the Palestinians got the huge east of the Jordan, why they want all of the Jews' territory also, every last square inch. Who do you think you are fooling?

Why do you keep emphasizing 'the Muslims got'? They are occupants, not solely Muslim, and this agenda is not solely Muslim, and if a third of the world's population are Muslim, they need plenty of land. You sound like a bigot. Regardless, Jordan is a Hashemite state, and it is a result of an illegally occupied Palestine.

 

[Atwood]

Garbage on Alleged Illegal Occupations of the Land of Israel

There never was any nation of Palestine to be illegally occupied by anyone. There was a British Mandate of Palestine. It had belonged to the Ottoman Empire, like Greece. That land from the Mediterranean Sea past the Jordan River to the East, from the Wadi El Arish to the Eurphrates is historically & Biblically the Land of Israel. However, in Ezekiel's prophecy of Israel's national resurrection, the prophesied land stops at the Jordan River to the East.

The Bible clearly condemns those gentiles who move in & try to claim the Land of Israel as their own. The Moslems have no rights to the Land of Israel. The Arabs have no rights to that land. It is the Land of Israel. And it is precious little. Yet the Moslem hogs want it all for themselves, though they own a huge global territory in which the Land of Israel is like a dot on the map. Well they shall not have it. God promised it to Israel, and Israel shall have it. The moslems would be well advised to move a few miles (20 miles or so to the East, or 10 miles or so to Egypt). They do not need the Land of Israel. They may not have it.

 

[Atwood]

Why do you keep emphasizing 'the Muslims got'? They are occupants, not solely Muslim, and this agenda is not solely Muslim, and if a third of the world's population are Muslim, they need plenty of land. You sound like a bigot. Regardless, Jordan is a Hashemite state, and it is a result of an illegally occupied Palestine.

Baloney. There never was any nation of Palestine to occupy. The land of Jordan is Palestinian and Moslem. Calling it "Hashemite" does not contradict that. You may as well say that England is not England because the Kings came from Hanover. There is nothing illegal. Bigot shmigot. It is the Moslems who kill people who won't be Moslem. Talk about Bigots; they will cut a Jew's head off while he is alive. The Land of Israel belongs to the Jews; it is tiny, & the Moslems should be satisfied with what they have , a huge territory. The only problem is with the Muslims, who demand the whole world -- or do you deny that? This is a Moslem agenda. They have no rights to the land of Israel.

 

[Esanta]

Re: Garbage on Alleged Illegal Occupations of the Land of Israel

There never was any nation of Palestine to be illegally occupied by anyone. There was a British Mandate of Palestine. It had belonged to the Ottoman Empire, like Greece. That land from the Mediterranean Sea past the Jordan River to the East, from the Wadi El Arish to the Eurphrates is historically & Biblically the Land of Israel. However, in Ezekiel's prophecy of Israel's national resurrection, the prophesied land stops at the Jordan River to the East.

The Bible clearly condemns those gentiles who move in & try to claim the Land of Israel as their own. The Moslems have no rights to the Land of Israel. The Arabs have no rights to that land. It is the Land of Israel. And it is precious little. Yet the Moslem hogs want it all for themselves, thought they own a huge global territory in which the Land of Israel is like a dot on the map. Well they shall not have it. God promised it to Israel, and Israel shall have it. The moslems would be well advised to move a few miles (20 miles or so to the East, or 10 miles or so to Egypt). They do not need the Land of Israel. They may not have it.

''Palestinian'' is not synonymous with Muslim, and in fact, historical Israel stretches from the north of the Salt Sea up to the base of Mt Hermon and from Tanaach in the West to Salcah in the East. To the North were the states Bashan and Zobah where Damascus now resides, to the West were Philistia (Palestine) and the North Western end of Edom, to the East were Moab and Amon, and to the South was Judah and the rest of Edom.

Ancient Israel was a small fraction of modern Israel.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Sure they do. Palestinians are educated with a high literacy rate and they place an above average emphasis on education. They go to school and study 20th century world history just like school children in Israel do. You're making a false assertion.

^ They know exactly what that stands for.

Opinion: Hamas take lead from Hitler - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

And as has been explained to you repeatedly, but you just discard it because you don't like any truth that refutes your politics: Hamas did not suddenly become a terrorist organization after it was elected. Hamas was elected because it was a jihadist organization. At the time of its election, Hamas was well known to be the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian terrorist wing.

It was elected because, by its own declaration, Hamas connects Palestinians to something they find attractive: the global Islamic-supremacist movement. Palestinians widely reject Israel’s right to exist. They regard not just Gaza, Judea and Samaria but all of Israel as “occupied Palestine.” Even those Palestinians who purport to accept the “two-state solution” see it as a way-station on the march to a one-state solution in which the Jewish state eventually ceases to be. Palestinians chose Hamas precisely because Hamas was seen as more dedicated than Fatah to the achievement of that goal—not to mention, more brutally competent.

So save the fairytales and false assertions for the ignorant. We know better.

Who Is Killing Palestinian Children? | FrontPage Magazine

Really?

In Northern Ireland recently, Republicans have taken to putting up Palestinian flags in support of Palestine, since their cause is similar, and Loyalists, in hatred, have taken to putting up Jewish flags in deliberate support of whatever is against Republicans. Like that, some bitter Palestinians put up Nazi flags because it opposes Israel, not necessarily because they believe in Hitler and what he stood for. Just like a large proportion of the hardline Loyalists in Northern Ireland have no idea what the conflict is over, yet they fly Jewish flags, the Palestinians likely don't know the intricacies of Hitler's views and what led him to them, yet they may fly Nazi flags.

Two instances of some men flying a flag most certainly do not mean Palestine as a whole advocates the eradication of the Jews, more like Palestine are opposed to what Israel are doing.

It could even by ironically symbolic, since Israel are committing a genocide.

 

[Esanta]

As for it being 'precious little', the population per square kilometre in Israel is 363. In the UK it is 2625. There's plenty of room in Israel for the Palestinians.

 

[Esanta]

Sure they do. Palestinians are educated with a high literacy rate and they place an above average emphasis on education. They go to school and study 20th century world history just like school children in Israel do. You're making a false assertion.

^ They know exactly what that stands for.

Opinion: Hamas take lead from Hitler - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

And as has been explained to you repeatedly, but you just discard it because you don't like any truth that refutes your politics: Hamas did not suddenly become a terrorist organization after it was elected. Hamas was elected because it was a jihadist organization. At the time of its election, Hamas was well known to be the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian terrorist wing.

It was elected because, by its own declaration, Hamas connects Palestinians to something they find attractive: the global Islamic-supremacist movement. Palestinians widely reject Israel’s right to exist. They regard not just Gaza, Judea and Samaria but all of Israel as “occupied Palestine.” Even those Palestinians who purport to accept the “two-state solution” see it as a way-station on the march to a one-state solution in which the Jewish state eventually ceases to be. Palestinians chose Hamas precisely because Hamas was seen as more dedicated than Fatah to the achievement of that goal—not to mention, more brutally competent.

So save the fairytales and false assertions for the ignorant. We know better.

Who Is Killing Palestinian Children? | FrontPage Magazine

I stopped listening to you about three months ago. Two instances of flying a flag do not equal an entire nation of neo-Nazi Palestinians. Please go back to sleep.

 

[Esanta]

What if British had treated Northern Irish like Israel treats Palestine? - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Gaza crisis: War apologists just as guilty as the combatants - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

These are points I try to make. One sidedness gets us nowhere. Whole picture. It's civilians that matter. Currently several thousand lie dead.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Re: Garbage on Alleged Illegal Occupations of the Land of Israel

The United Monarchy included both the kingdom of Israel and Judah, not just the kingdom of Israel. Here's a map of what it looked like:

Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a modern map of Israel and held territories:

Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The United Kingdom of Israel and Judah reached its largest extent during the reigns of Kings David and Solomon when it stretched into Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan.

In 1920, the League of Nations designated present-day Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, and the Golan Heights as the Jewish homeland. But over the decades, Israel shrank to its present size and is only 9 miles wide at its narrowest point and 290 miles long.

So, in reality, the situation is exactly the opposite of what you falsely assert here in your ignorance.

''Palestinian'' is not synonymous with Muslim, and in fact, historical Israel stretches from the north of the Salt Sea up to the base of Mt Hermon and from Tanaach in the West to Salcah in the East. To the North were the states Bashan and Zobah where Damascus now resides, to the West were Philistia (Palestine) and the North Western end of Edom, to the East were Moab and Amon, and to the South was Judah and the rest of Edom.

Ancient Israel was a small fraction of modern Israel.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're lashing out only signifies that your feelings are hurt because the truth refutes your false assertions. That's your problem. Take two tablets of grow up.

I stopped listening to you about three months ago. Two instances of flying a flag do not equal an entire nation of neo-Nazi Palestinians. Please go back to sleep.

 

[Atwood]

What if British had treated Northern Irish like Israel treats Palestine? - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Gaza crisis: War apologists just as guilty as the combatants - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

These are points I try to make. One sidedness gets us nowhere. Whole picture. It's civilians that matter. Currently several thousand lie dead.

The Word of God does not give Northern Ireland to anyone. The Word of God gives the land of Israel to the descendants of Jacob (Israel). The historical boundaries designates were from the Wadi el Arish (or River of Egypt) to the Euphrates; & from the Mediterranean to east of Jordan.

What matters is that the Lord is bringing Israel home to its land, and gentiles are trying to claim their land, small & tiny as it is. It is the moslems who satanically attack Israel, firing rockets into Israel. Obviously they should not tolerate it. The Moslems need to be driven out of Gaza.

 

[Atwood]

I stopped listening to you about three months ago. .

What is your religion? Do you believe in "Allah"?

 

[Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert]

Here is a prophecy that directly that we can learn from, for it directly relates to Christian Zionists and their unjust support of Israel



Isaiah 1 New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]
11 [/SUP]“The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts?
[SUP]
13 [/SUP]Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
[SUP]
14 [/SUP]Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.
[SUP]
15 [/SUP]When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening.

Your hands are full of blood!
[SUP]
16 [/SUP]Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
[SUP]
17 [/SUP]Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed.[SUP][a][/SUP]
Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Come now, let us settle the matter,” says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.
[SUP]
19 [/SUP]If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the good things of the land;
[SUP]
20 [/SUP]but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]See how the faithful city has become a prostitute!
She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her—
but now murderers!

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Your silver has become dross, your choice wine is diluted with water.
[SUP]
23 [/SUP]Your rulers are rebels, partners with thieves; they all love bribes
and chase after gifts. They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow’s case does not come before them.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord, the Lord Almighty, the Mighty One of Israel, declares:
“Ah! I will vent my wrath on my foes and avenge myself on my enemies.
[SUP]
25 [/SUP]I will turn my hand against you;[SUP][b] [/SUP]I will thoroughly purge away your dross
and remove all your impurities.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]I will restore your leaders as in days of old, your rulers as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called the City of Righteousness, the Faithful City.”

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Zion will be delivered with justice, her penitent ones with righteousness.
[SUP]
28 [/SUP]But rebels and sinners will both be broken, and those who forsake the Lord will perish.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“You will be ashamed because of the sacred oaks in which you have delighted;
you will be disgraced because of the gardens that you have chosen.
[SUP]
30 [/SUP]You will be like an oak with fading leaves, like a garden without water.
[SUP]
31 [/SUP]The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire.”