Lesbians and Crossdressers want Weddingdresses

[Nautilus]

Just a fyi it would be discrimination to force the christian to make the wedding dress for gays.

Its religious freedom to refuse service due to what use to be normal religious practices but then being old, I remember when morals were much more clear. When the majority still believed homosexuality was perversion ( they still do but the homosexual agendists are just louder and have the political clout, for now ).

By the way where did you get the idea that the acceptance of homosexuality was a normative??

While this site is about gay marriage, which is different from accepting homosexuality as a norm, it still suggests the majority of americans are not in favor of it

Majority of Americans Continue to Oppose Gay Marriage

Maybe you should use 5 year old p;olls. Since more recent polls from the exact same site, show that the majority are now in favor of allowing gay marriage.

Second graph: Gay and Lesbian Rights | Gallup Historical Trends

 

[oldernotwiser]

It does sounds reckless and irresponsible to marry someone who isn't even divorced yet. I suppose it makes it easier for her present husband; however, if that marriage fails too for he can file for an annulment on the grounds of bigamy as she married him while she was still married to another man: a ceremony you performed. *rolls eyes*.

i may be a scoundrel but i try to be an irenic scoundrel. i officiated at the ceremony in the church as a pastor. if it was legitimate to "marry" them two months later, (when a paperwork glitch was cleared up,) it was legitimate then. when i acted as an agent of the state i had to wait until they had complied with all applicable laws.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You said, "If it was legitimate to marry them two months later, then it was legitimate to marry them then."

^There are so many things wrong with this statement, it's difficult to stop laughing at the fact that you actually knowingly married someone who was presently married to someone else long enough to begin.

I suppose we'll start with the point that you married someone that was already married and that is against the law. There are legal requirements for marriage and not being presently married to someone else is one of them.

People who are already married, even if they have been separated for a long period of time, cannot get married until the divorce from their former spouse is finalized.

Then there is the adultery issue...

i may be a scoundrel but i try to be an irenic scoundrel. i officiated at the ceremony in the church as a pastor. if it was legitimate to "marry" them two months later, (when a paperwork glitch was cleared up,) it was legitimate then. when i acted as an agent of the state i had to wait until they had complied with all applicable laws.

 

[oldernotwiser]

i was not acting as an agent of the state in the church ceremony. as far as the civil authorities the church ceremony was no more valid than a group marriage of a half dozen hippies in central park. when the couple had cleared up the problem i went to the home and at that time put on the agent of the state hat.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

i was not acting as an agent of the state in the church ceremony. as far as the civil authorities the church ceremony was no more valid than a group marriage of a half dozen hippies in central park. when the couple had cleared up the problem i went to the home and at that time put on the agent of the state hat.

 

[notuptome]

All valid points brother...I suppose my point is that nobody can really be forced to perform such a service. Maybe what it boils down to is whether we are willing to compromise our faith and choose when we ignore what the Bible says to be true. Is it an easy decision? No. But, often doing the right thing isn't easy... or popular. As far as funerals go... that's another tough call. Those just need to be handled with compassion naturally. To refuse such a ceremony because of the way someone lived would really be rude... but, even so you don't need to cause any more hurt to the family. Personally, I have not had to do such a thing yet... which honestly does concern me. I mean, how I would respond to such a request.

Easy for some to assert what they would do if they know they will never need to face the situation. In the matter of a funeral it seems to me that it is a perfect opportunity to preach the gospel.

I can't help but wonder if the church has softened the gospel to the point where it no longer has the sharp edge the Lord intended for it to have. Again if the reputation of the church is that of a hot pulpit I should think that most are going to seek more palatable arrangements.

I do see a great contradiction in pronouncing Holy Matrimony over a sodomite marriage. God certainly has not joined them together.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Billyd]

First, I will NOT marry a gay couple. That won't change. I'll go to the grave first.

The sale of a product to a gay couple. I'm not going to ask a person about his sexual preference before I sell something to him. I'll add this caveat. If it obviously inappropriate (like a wedding dress for a man to wear), or I'm told that it is for an inappropriate purpose, I'll draw the line there. I will share the Gospel with him instead. I'll shut my doors before I knowingly do anything that is contrary to my Christian values.

 

[SonInMe]

...and doors have been closed in this persecution of christians

 

[oldernotwiser]

i think that if i was selling wedding dresses and a gay man wanted to buy one id have him look at it. then look in a mirror. then i'd say .... "i'm sorry ..... it just isn't you..it just isn't you and i have a reputation to maintain." i'd then refer him to a shop that could sell him a wedding dress that was truly "him." i wouldn't be lying because i really don't think that if i was selling wedding gowns i would have one appropriate for a man.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

'other sinners' usually don't wear their 'sins' as a badge of honour.

Nor do they parade with pride down our public streets in all manner of costumes, performing all manner of deviant acts on floats, to show their pride as perverse abnormally behaved sinners.

I remember the good old days when a merchant could refuse service.
I don't care about PC jargon that says I have to attach a female pronoun to a biological male because he has it in his mind that he has a female on his inside.
When a bridal shop sells dresses to women, I think a bridal shop has every right to discriminate. Because their clientele and inventory is for women only.
A man doesn't qualify. If it does, then what's next? A lawsuit and court case that says a zoophile can force a veterinarian to give them a checkup?
As for the Lesbians looking for a dress, I know teen girls that go to wedding shops for their prom dresses. Friends high school age daughters do this because they're fond of tulle and lace. I don't think discrimination against a woman, or two women shopping for a dress, would be fitting. In fact, how would one presume they're lesbians shopping for a wedding dress?

They could be two women who are each getting married and are helping one another shop for their particular dress.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

But they were NOT. They were two people who choose to engage in homosexual acts with each other that wanted the store owner to violate their own moral conscience and Christian religious convictions to facilitate an immoral abomination (e.g. a practice abhorrent to Yahweh and opposed to the ritual or moral requirements of His religion).

They could be two women who are each getting married and are helping one another shop for their particular dress.

 

[SonInMe]

Maybe you should use 5 year old p;olls. Since more recent polls from the exact same site, show that the majority are now in favor of allowing gay marriage.

Second graph: Gay and Lesbian Rights | Gallup Historical Trends

I was trying to find a census of the people in america who believe homosexuality is fine and dandy. This was the best I could find.....eh

 

[raf]

Its simple you provide a service or product and get paid. If you deny someone you are losing money as simple as that.

 

[raf]

WOuld they sell stuff to other sinners too? I guess they do because they are in business.

Of course since most of the other sinners are regular christians like anyone else theyd get no customers. lol

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Quite a few Americans have gotten off track. The truth is that if 100% of them support sexual immorality than 100% of them have gotten off track.

In their deception the left will call us unloving, of course, though our position is principled and we are not unloving.

Neither do we claim to be perfect or free from temptation. We just align with God's holiness and attempt to purify ourselves from immorality and live that out seeking His power to do so and relying on His grace.

But they don't care about us and our desire for holiness and a free moral conscience. They are selfish and deceived and will unlovingly attempt to persecute us anyways as severely as they can even with bankruptcy and prison for things as simple as exercising freedom of speech with respect to the Christian worldview or refusing to facilitate their sexual immorality when they order us to do so.

Ironically, they call themselves "liberals" for some reason. Their hypocrisy is blatant.

I was trying to find a census of the people in america who believe homosexuality is fine and dandy. This was the best I could find.....eh

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're making an unfair characterization. There's a difference between servicing a sinner engaging your business for a moral purpose and facilitating immorality.

You failed to connect the dots.

The truth is that if a woman walked into that Christian owned business and stated that they were presently married but wanted a wedding dress so they could marry another man they were involved in an adulterous affair with: they'd be told to go somewhere else with the understanding that the business owner will happily sell anyone all of their goods and services, regardless of their race, religion, or gender, for any normatively moral purpose whatsoever.

But no one is interrogating anyone. Customers come in and order what they want. If they state it is for some immoral purpose which violates the Christian owner's moral conscience and religious convictions: then they refuse to service that customer at that time on that basis.

It's really just that simple.

The business owner will happily sell anyone all of their goods and services, regardless of their race, religion, or gender, for any normatively moral purpose whatsoever (sinner or not).

Of course since most of the other sinners are regular christians like anyone else theyd get no customers. lol

 

[BlackPlatypus]

I was trying to find a census of the people in america who believe homosexuality is fine and dandy. This was the best I could find.....eh

Gallup doesn't have the best reputation.
Homosexuality in the history of the world's cultures has rarely been deemed OK.
America is falling because radical ultra-leftist bully homosexual activist groups, who rally for tolerance but do not demonstrate it, harassed the American Psychiatric Institute until they removed Homosexuality as a mental illness from any future publications of the DSM. Diagnostic and Statistics Manual.

[h=1]Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away[/h]

 

[maxwel]

Sign on the door..."All profits from known same sex marriages are donated to causes which promote man woman only marriage."

In reality, this is more than just a pithy joke.

Since there is a "fair chance" that the couple came into a christian shop with the prior intention of causing legal or public relations problems, then using their purchase to fight their own agenda would send them scurrying.

I like it.

"Why yes, I'll be happy to sell dresses to as many lesbian couples as possible, and I will even donate my time freely during the fittings, so that ALL PROCEEDS can go to a TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE LOBBYIST GROUP. God Bless you, and thank you for your patronage. Oh, and please send us all your friends."
: )

 

[notuptome]

In reality, this is more than just a pithy joke.

Since there is a "fair chance" that the couple came into a christian shop with the prior intention of causing legal or public relations problems, then using their purchase to fight their own agenda would send them scurrying.

I like it.

"Why yes, I'll be happy to sell dresses to as many lesbian couples as possible, and I will even donate my time freely during the fittings, so that ALL PROCEEDS can go to a TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE LOBBYIST GROUP. God Bless you, and thank you for your patronage. Oh, and please send us all your friends."
: )

Problem remains for pastors who cannot by good conscience perform these services. Weddings that are an affront to God. Lord have mercy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[BlackPlatypus]

In reality, this is more than just a pithy joke.

Since there is a "fair chance" that the couple came into a christian shop with the prior intention of causing legal or public relations problems, then using their purchase to fight their own agenda would send them scurrying.

I like it.

"Why yes, I'll be happy to sell dresses to as many lesbian couples as possible, and I will even donate my time freely during the fittings, so that ALL PROCEEDS can go to a TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE LOBBYIST GROUP. God Bless you, and thank you for your patronage. Oh, and please send us all your friends."
: )

True.
The homosexual women, a lesbian and her mom in, I think it was Oregon, who took issue with a Christian baker there who refused them a wedding cake admitted they did approached so as to confront his faith and values on the matter of gay marriage.
And of course they wanted the press coverage to follow. Which it did. And that community that argues for tolerance, and fights bullying, had within it those who resorted to intolerant remarks, levied death threats, and even gathered near the bakery to protest their being in business when they wouldn't compromise their faith in order to make it all go away.

I love the idea of a sign like that. ("All profits from known same sex marriages are donated to causes which promote man woman only marriage.")

As soon as they appeared on Christian owned businesses that serve the wedding industry, bet there would be homosexual owned businesses that would counter with their own sign as relates to homosexual activism intent on suing Christian businesses that discriminate in the name of religion.

The wrong that is homosexuality becomes apparent when the hypocrisy of their agendas anthem that broadcasts for tolerance and coexistence revokes its own precepts. When homosexuals are intolerant and bully and demonstrate they refuse to coexist with anyone opposed to homosexual marriage. It is then that they become the bigots.