Man killed in Utah FBI raid allegedly posted death threats against Biden

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Eli1

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My opinion is that George Floyd was a criminal, he was not a saint, and he was murdered by the police.

Passing a fraudulent $20 is not a valid reason to have the police execute him which is what happened. They acted with extreme disregard to his life. In my opinion all the cops there bore some responsibility for his death though, no doubt, the guy on his neck should be convicted of murder. Probably 2nd degree, you would have to have some incredible evidence to get him for 1st degree.
Do you think police needs serious reform in this country or is it all good?
 

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The MAGA parts are in the news because the Truth Social forum is who contacted the FBI and reported the man in Utah.
If TruthSocial acted responsibly why are they blaming MAGA? Is there some kind of MAGA oath you have to take to join TruthSocial?
 

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Do you think police needs serious reform in this country or is it all good?
I have not ever had a bad experience with a cop in the US. I have been pulled over in Texas, New Hampshire, NY and a few other places. I have known brothers in the church who were in the police.

That said, for every Christian who is a cop there is probably also a Satanist. We know that the Satanists will intentionally commit human sacrifices. Perhaps the most horrifying example of this was in Uvalde at the Robb Elementary school. We know that many KKK members were secretly in the police or Sheriff department.

The Departed was a movie based on a true story and it showed that the organized crime families had cops as double agents. We also saw that the FBI would use and protect gangsters in order to get information. The Wire is another TV show based on real events showing that many of these big time mobsters were well connected with the FBI and police.

Then of course you have bad cops that steal money and drugs and run side hustles and frame innocent people.

So I can certainly believe that some people have had really bad experiences even though that is not the norm.

Compare the US with Taiwan and I had three experiences with the cops in Taiwan that made me feel they were far worse than the US. I worked at a private school teaching English and saw the cops come by to get their monthly bribe. I was jumped once by two guys who were stabbing me with a screw driver and the police did a slow march to where I was so that they had time to run away. A third time my motorcycle was seen on fire. The cops told me it was "spontaneous". I told them that I hadn't driven it in two days because we were hit with a typhoon. Doubtful that after two days of rain it would spontaneous erupt into flames.

But you will never see the sin rooted out until we have the Millennial kingdom.
 

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If TruthSocial acted responsibly why are they blaming MAGA? Is there some kind of MAGA oath you have to take to join TruthSocial?

lol, I've never been on their site so I don't know anything about their terms and conditions. Probably like most things on the media we in the public only are being told the few facts they know at this point but in a long drawn out story that will make us all draw conclusions. I think with the few facts they have stated it's probably best to wait and see what else dribbles out over time because it's a pretty revealing fact that Truth Social reported the man to the FBI months back their own self.
 

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I have not ever had a bad experience with a cop. I have been pulled over in Texas, New Hampshire, NY and a few other places. I have known brothers in the church who were in the police.

That said, for every Christian who is a cop there is probably also a Satanist. We know that the Satanists will intentionally commit human sacrifices. Perhaps the most horrifying example of this was in Uvalde at the Robb Elementary school. We know that many KKK members were secretly in the police or Sheriff department.

The Departed was a movie based on a true story and it showed that the organized crime families had cops as double agents. We also saw that the FBI would use and protect gangsters in order to get information. The Wire is another TV show based on real events showing that many of these big time mobsters were well connected with the FBI and police.

Then of course you have bad cops that steal money and drugs and run side hustles and frame innocent people.

So I can certainly believe that some people have had really bad experiences even though that is not the norm.

But you will never see the sin rooted out until we have the Millennial kingdom.
Well, let me put on my serious hat now.
To begin, things like this happen daily in USA. But the coverage or the support depends exclusively on which political isle you’re on.
This is why we get more coverage of right-wing talking points from someone like you for example or others like you, because you’re on team conservative and as much as you’d like to say that you’re on team Christianity, the faithfulness to your original team betrays you.
This is why we see more coverage when say a trans teen does a shooting, but not when a white teen shoots black people in the supermarket from someone like you or others like you.
At this point in America everything is divided into Red state vs Blue state and Christianity is sort of a cover art.

With all this being said, I really like your idea about gun control by the way. I’ve saved it in my favorites because I think it’s a great idea. It will never be implemented but a genuinely great idea which can work if the will of the country exists to make it happen.

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Well, let me put on my serious hat now.
To begin, things like this happen daily in USA. But the coverage or the support depends exclusively on which political isle you’re on.
This is why we get more coverage of right-wing talking points from someone like you for example or others like you, because you’re on team conservative and as much as you’d like to say that you’re on team Christianity, the faithfulness to your original team betrays you.
This is why we see more coverage when say a trans teen does a shooting, but not when a white teen shoots black people in the supermarket from someone like you or others like you.
At this point in America everything is divided into Red state vs Blue state and Christianity is sort of a cover art.

With all this being said, I really like your idea about gun control by the way. I’ve saved it in my favorites because I think it’s a great idea. It will never be implemented but a genuinely great idea which can work if the will of the country exists to make it happen.

(1) Trump Indicted!!! - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Point me to my offending posts.
 

Eli1

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Point me to my offending posts.
You've been here in this forum for over a century.
You write conservative blogs with false end-time prophecies.

If i point you to one, what do you think it's going to happen? Nothing!
Just like when we vote in a new President.

I just wish you were more in the middle that's all. I say this because i like you.
 

iamsoandso

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Well, let me put on my serious hat now.
To begin, things like this happen daily in USA. But the coverage or the support depends exclusively on which political isle you’re on.
This is why we get more coverage of right-wing talking points from someone like you for example or others like you, because you’re on team conservative and as much as you’d like to say that you’re on team Christianity, the faithfulness to your original team betrays you.
This is why we see more coverage when say a trans teen does a shooting, but not when a white teen shoots black people in the supermarket from someone like you or others like you.
At this point in America everything is divided into Red state vs Blue state and Christianity is sort of a cover art.

With all this being said, I really like your idea about gun control by the way. I’ve saved it in my favorites because I think it’s a great idea. It will never be implemented but a genuinely great idea which can work if the will of the country exists to make it happen.

(1) Trump Indicted!!! - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

They've already introduced bills like this but they never went anywhere. The issue with it is will the insurance cover it if the guns goes off by itself or should it cover you if it went off when someone pulled the trigger. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1004
 

Eli1

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They've already introduced bills like this but they never went anywhere. The issue with it is will the insurance cover it if the guns goes off by itself or should it cover you if it went off when someone pulled the trigger. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1004
I'm actually surprised it made it into congress.
But like you said in another topic, the elections have been stolen for decades here since they already bought the candidates with the big donations by major influencers who want relaxed restrictions on anything from food, medical, guns, insurance or what have you.
 

Eli1

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I have been on this forum since March of 2021. Slightly more than two years.
Yes, i know. I was trying to be funny by exaggerating.
The material that you have written, it would take me decades. lol

Anyway, i hope you have a nice summer and enjoy it as much as you can before it ends.
 

iamsoandso

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I'm actually surprised it made it into congress.
But like you said in another topic, the elections have been stolen for decades here since they already bought the candidates with the big donations by major influencers who want relaxed restrictions on anything from food, medical, guns, insurance or what have you.

lol, in the old days we called them lobbyist but when the cat was out of the bag they shifted to super PACS . It's almost comical now in my 80's to watch everyone debate over parties like their two baseball teams. If they would just follow the money and look for who donates to the different parties they would realize that those super PACS donate to both parties often at the same time.
 

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lol, in the old days we called them lobbyist but when the cat was out of the bag they shifted to super PACS . It's almost comical now in my 80's to watch everyone debate over parties like their two baseball teams. If they would just follow the money and look for who donates to the different parties they would realize that those super PACS donate to both parties often at the same time.
Hey it's good to see that i'm not the only one using the term "sports teams" and this Show is getting more extreme every decade.
I blame the Internet for a lot of this fast degradation in society but despite everything, i can tell you one thing.
The cost of living in this country is better than most of the world. I have a unique perspective because i wasn't born here.
So a lot of people get worked up over ideologies like sports teams and these ideologies inflate to violence and murder. So odd and sad, because people lose their lives and their families are ruined.

But if you all tried to live for a year somewhere else, you'd come back kissing American Land when you arrive at the airport. Because nobody appreciates a good thing unless they lose it.

I just see all of this as a show because the system runs itself here and the average people like you and me can make the most of the opportunities here which you don't get in many parts of the world. So, i'm grateful.
 

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Sorry, i thought this was covered under "Christianity".
Christianity does not include threatening others with murder or bodily harm, no.

neither does it include seeking to overthrow the government.

Nowhere in the Bible do i see the apostles seeking a seat in the senate, raising militias against the Roman legions, or even calling for Herod to be deposed. John the Baptist criticized him for his immorality but I don't even see any apostle trying to avoid being jailed, even while they were wrongfully charged. they neither resisted arrest nor tried to harm soldiers - save Peter, who was immediately rebuked by the Lord for doing so, and He healed Malchus's ear!

Jesus didn't tell Pilate he had no authority. he reminded him that his authority was granted to him by God.

so find this man in the Bible. where do we see someone breathing murderous threats against a king? is he an example of good or of evil?
 

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Hey it's good to see that i'm not the only one using the term "sports teams" and this Show is getting more extreme every decade.
I blame the Internet for a lot of this fast degradation in society but despite everything, i can tell you one thing.
The cost of living in this country is better than most of the world. I have a unique perspective because i wasn't born here.
So a lot of people get worked up over ideologies like sports teams and these ideologies inflate to violence and murder. So odd and sad, because people lose their lives and their families are ruined.

But if you all tried to live for a year somewhere else, you'd come back kissing American Land when you arrive at the airport. Because nobody appreciates a good thing unless they lose it.

I just see all of this as a show because the system runs itself here and the average people like you and me can make the most of the opportunities here which you don't get in many parts of the world. So, i'm grateful.

I'm giving the whole chapter but look real close at (verse 23) the merchants of the earth(whole earth not just the US) is who God says deceives the nations(so the super PACS/great ones) are doing this in all of the nations not just the US. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/18.htm
 

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Christianity does not include threatening others with murder or bodily harm, no.

neither does it include seeking to overthrow the government.

Nowhere in the Bible do i see the apostles seeking a seat in the senate, raising militias against the Roman legions, or even calling for Herod to be deposed. John the Baptist criticized him for his immorality UT I don't even see any apostle trying to avoid being jailed, even while they were wrongfully charged. they neither resisted arrest nor tried to harm soldiers - save Peter, who was immediately rebuked by the Lord for doing so, and He healed Malchus's ear!

so find this man in the Bible. where do we see someone breathing murderous threats against a king? is he an example of good or of evil?
Look, i've seen a lot of your posts to know that you're analytical and you also do some work with exact sciences (i think) and that you don't joke around a lot.
But, i guess you haven't seen a lot of my posts and i like to joke around a lot.
So in this case i'm joking with absurdities like Second Amendment, Guns and the violence that comes with it, and the 2-party political show.
 

Eli1

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I'm giving the whole chapter but look real close at (verse 23) the merchants of the earth(whole earth not just the US) is who God says deceives the nations(so the super PACS/great ones) are doing this in all of the nations not just the US. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/18.htm
The E.U. can also be interpreted as "The Beast" but i don't put a lot of trust into these links because this is how the world was headed right after WW2.
A new order was needed one ruled by money and the other (at the time) by communism which was a nice idea on paper. Communism and USSR failed so now we're left with a money-based world order. China put this on steroids and are beating the western world at their game because they are a One Party Communist System which eliminates a lot of bureaucracy which exists in the West at the cost of human lives.
So, i don't know where this is heading but i just don't think it's very sustainable for many centuries and something will change.
 

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if that's what you're asking.
No that's not what he was asking.
This is what he asked:

"So you support sending out a hit squad?"

This was a "hit" meant to scare the general population. They needed a victim to show who is the boss.

There was no need to kill this man.

In the end, a tyrant needs no excuse. Aesop
 

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Christianity does not include threatening others with murder or bodily harm, no.

neither does it include seeking to overthrow the government.

Nowhere in the Bible do i see the apostles seeking a seat in the senate,
Queen Esther, Nehemiah, Daniel and Joseph come to mind.

raising militias against the Roman legions,
Judas Maccabeus springs to mind.

or even calling for Herod to be deposed. John the Baptist criticized him for his immorality but I don't even see any apostle trying to avoid being jailed, even while they were wrongfully charged. they neither resisted arrest nor tried to harm soldiers - save Peter, who was immediately rebuked by the Lord for doing so, and He healed Malchus's ear!
So then, John the Baptist, the Apostle John referred to Caesar Nero as a type of the Antichrist, James was imprisoned and killed, and all the apostles except for John were martyred. Although they may not have resisted arrest Jesus did tell the church He was not happy that they tolerated Jezebel or that they allowed Balaam's teaching to be taught among them.

Jesus didn't tell Pilate he had no authority. he reminded him that his authority was granted to him by God.

so find this man in the Bible. where do we see someone breathing murderous threats against a king? is he an example of good or of evil?
Sounds like the thief on the cross that was crucified with Jesus.
 

ZNP

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The E.U. can also be interpreted as "The Beast" but i don't put a lot of trust into these links because this is how the world was headed right after WW2.
A new order was needed one ruled by money and the other (at the time) by communism which was a nice idea on paper. Communism and USSR failed so now we're left with a money-based world order. China put this on steroids and are beating the western world at their game because they are a One Party Communist System which eliminates a lot of bureaucracy which exists in the West at the cost of human lives.
So, i don't know where this is heading but i just don't think it's very sustainable for many centuries and something will change.
Chinese economy is like a Hollywood set, looks great, but completely phony.