I'm just wondering if I wrote the words; Fact: what you wrote was false, Would that make everything you said false simply because I wrote "Fact"? So why did you think by writing fact, we should believe you? I don't. The facts are not all know yet. Reports are suggesting the officer who fired at Philando was not white as first reported. Other reports are saying the officer fired because Philando had his weapon displayed on his lap and he refused to keep his hands away from it. There are also reports that their was a theft or robbery that had just happened and Philando may have been considered a suspect. So, are these facts? They might end up being facts. They might not. What you stated was your opinion, and it was not based on evidence or facts, because your alleged evidence and facts have not been corroborated.
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When people claim to be objective, excuse me, quite objective, it's usually because they are not. Did you know there were two officers and one was positioned at the drivers side of the vehicle? Did you know that there are reports that Castile had taken his weapon out and placed it on his lap, which would be the very worst thing, and most threatening thing a person could do? Do yourself a favor and wait for the investigation to run it's course before you continue making judgments based on false information.
How can you say it appears he was complying. There was no video of him complying or not complying. There is only video of the officer shouting that he did not comply, yet you quickly dismissed that and failed to list that as a "Fact". If you are in a vehicle that is being stopped by police, and you have a gun, the very last thing you do is display the gun. That is highly unusual behavior and it should be considered a threat to the safety of the officers. Any movement of your hands, other than to raise them up, is reason for officers to point and perhaps fire their service weapons at the person who is posing the threat. The officers comments made on the video seem to clearly indicate the officer only fired after Castile failed to comply with commands and moved his hands toward his handgun.
I worked as both a police officer and later as a correctional officer. I am offended by your comments about both professions. They are made out of ignorance of the jobs and the reasons why people end up in prison or why they end up getting restrained of even shot by police. And you feel the need to keep repeating yourself over and over, all while showing little interest in learning the facts.
It is not easy to convict anyone. For instance, statistically, an average burglar commits 20 burglaries before he is arrested. He is arrested 5 times before he is convicted. That means the average burglar commits 100 burglaries before he is imprisoned. In my own experience, the man who burglarized our home was caught with out property, and was selling some of it at a pawn shop, yet he was no even charged with burglary. They could not prove he stole anything. He was previously convicted of burglary several times, yet they only convicted him of possession of stolen property, and sentenced him to 4 years in prison. He served 3 years. He got out a year ago. Last week, my neighbors saw someone in my yard after dark with a flashlight who fit the description of the same man who was convicted before. It is not enough to arrest anyone.
People in prison deserve to be in prison. You should be thankful they are locked up. Most are sociopaths and life-long criminals who are predators, always looking for victims. Our criminal justice system has failed us only because they have failed to convict most of the criminals that are charged with crimes.
Time after time, incidents the media reports on that result in police shootings, result in comments by civilians who rush to judgment with little information to make an intelligent conclusion. But it never stops them from making comments. Then, days or months later, when the investigations are completed, and the officers are cleared of wrong-doing, those same people refuse to come forward and retract their false statements and false conclusions.
It is not easy to convict anyone. For instance, statistically, an average burglar commits 20 burglaries before he is arrested. He is arrested 5 times before he is convicted. That means the average burglar commits 100 burglaries before he is imprisoned. In my own experience, the man who burglarized our home was caught with out property, and was selling some of it at a pawn shop, yet he was no even charged with burglary. They could not prove he stole anything. He was previously convicted of burglary several times, yet they only convicted him of possession of stolen property, and sentenced him to 4 years in prison. He served 3 years. He got out a year ago. Last week, my neighbors saw someone in my yard after dark with a flashlight who fit the description of the same man who was convicted before. It is not enough to arrest anyone.
People in prison deserve to be in prison. You should be thankful they are locked up. Most are sociopaths and life-long criminals who are predators, always looking for victims. Our criminal justice system has failed us only because they have failed to convict most of the criminals that are charged with crimes.
Time after time, incidents the media reports on that result in police shootings, result in comments by civilians who rush to judgment with little information to make an intelligent conclusion. But it never stops them from making comments. Then, days or months later, when the investigations are completed, and the officers are cleared of wrong-doing, those same people refuse to come forward and retract their false statements and false conclusions.
I think you are referring to bigotry more than racism. But both are factors. My wife and I moved a week ago, to a safer neighborhood. Too many shootings and murders near our previous home. When you choose to move from a high crime neighborhood to a safer neighborhood, you can ask your real estate agent to help you find a safer neighborhood. You can also look to crime statistics for various neighborhoods. It turns out that if you go by crime statistics, the best way to find the safest neighborhood to live in in a large metropolitan city, the further you live from neighborhoods that are mostly populated by lower income blacks, the safer you are. Then, the further you distance yourself from lower income Hispanic neighborhoods, the safer you will be. Is it bigoted or racist to move to a mostly white suburb in order to protect your family? Maybe, but people who make that move do not care. What they care about is getting away from the gunfire and the drug dealers.
Our prisons are populated disproportionally by blacks and Hispanics, according to the percentage of Americans who are black and Hispanic. Our criminal justice system deals with criminals who are arrested for committing crimes, often violent crimes. The fact that more people of color are arrested for these crimes is because people of color disproportionally commit crimes. You may choose to see this as racist or bigoted. I do not.
Our prisons are populated disproportionally by blacks and Hispanics, according to the percentage of Americans who are black and Hispanic. Our criminal justice system deals with criminals who are arrested for committing crimes, often violent crimes. The fact that more people of color are arrested for these crimes is because people of color disproportionally commit crimes. You may choose to see this as racist or bigoted. I do not.
Another statistic that means nothing. Crime did not drop statistically, neither did it drop statistically in Los Angeles following the Rodney King riots. The reporting of crime dropped. The response of police dropped. They either had more important things to do, or in Los Angeles, they decided they can't be accused of violating people's rights if they don't engage with them to begin with. The L.A. police chief even tried to say crime was down following the riots. It wasn't. It was just that police decided not to do their jobs and arrest people committing crimes, out of fear of being involved in something they could be accused of using excessive force.
What I don't understand is the need to shoot someone 4,5,6 times? Especially if no gunfire is being exchanged or if the person is clearly wounded and no longer a threat if they were even a threat to begin with. My brother is an officer. My good friend is one in Chicago for 25 years some of which was undercover and in Narcotics. He has never had to discharge his weapon and he said he was legally within his rights to do so many times and didn't. There are good officers and there are some that shouldn't have on the uniform and those who are going hard for the cops won't even say that much.
There are knuckleheads out there, I am aware. I know of people who are driving around now with there license, registration and insurance cards on their dashboards because they are afraid to reach for them. May sound silly to some but it is a reality for others. There is a fear from both sides. Let me say this low income doesnot equate to low class hoodlums and some people cannot differentiate between the two.
There are knuckleheads out there, I am aware. I know of people who are driving around now with there license, registration and insurance cards on their dashboards because they are afraid to reach for them. May sound silly to some but it is a reality for others. There is a fear from both sides. Let me say this low income doesnot equate to low class hoodlums and some people cannot differentiate between the two.
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I don't know how this ex cop can come up with the conclustion that the officer was acting as if he made a mistake. There is no way he can know that. Once again, we don't know what went down before the video started filming the events AFTER the shooting. Like you said Honey, he wasn't even the passenger he was the driver of the vehicle.
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Yep totally agree with you. Now that we know he was the driver we can see why the officer asked for his license right away. Then after asking for license and registration the driver tells the officer he has a gun and supposedly a permit for the gun. Could it be the officer then tells him to show his hands? Yes i'm assuming here but it makes sense to me on how it went down. The driver then continues to grab for his license (supposedly) and doesn't listen to the officers new commands. Officer probably does get scared and as the driver continues to reach for license officer shoots him.
I'm not saying this is exactly how it went down and hopefully we will find out. This is one possiblity and to me makes the most sense. Was the driver grabbing for his gun? Who knows. The facts have changed since we first started talking about this shooting.
Fact 1: He was driver not passenger
Fact 2: Gun was sitting in his lap (this is why he told the female not to reach for her BF) This is also why he probably told the driver not to move.
I'm not saying the officer did everything correct but if you pulled over a car and the guy had a gun in his lap and he was reaching down, what would you have done?
I'm not saying this is exactly how it went down and hopefully we will find out. This is one possiblity and to me makes the most sense. Was the driver grabbing for his gun? Who knows. The facts have changed since we first started talking about this shooting.
Fact 1: He was driver not passenger
Fact 2: Gun was sitting in his lap (this is why he told the female not to reach for her BF) This is also why he probably told the driver not to move.
I'm not saying the officer did everything correct but if you pulled over a car and the guy had a gun in his lap and he was reaching down, what would you have done?