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Agricola

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for any moslems that might see this, please understand not all christians call for the deaths of other cultures and Jesus never calls us to do so. Many christians follow Jesus's commands and love and pray for their enemies.
YOu are taking my comments out of context. I did not call for genocide, I simply pointed out the only way to stop Islam is to kill them all, but we can not do that.

Islam is dangerous, too many liberals and blind doo gooders trying to appease Islam just to save thier backsides and prevent Islamic jihadists paying a visit like they did today.

Certainly not all muslims will be happy with these so called terrorist attacks and want to distance themsleves, but that does not mean the threat is there and the main goal of Islam still exists.

DUring wartime and conflicts, only a small percentage of the population go and fight. Many things are done in war that are disgusting and filthy, a number of vetrans of past conflicts who post on these forums have seen and done horrible things, although the nation will celebrate a victory in war, the nation on a whole will be disgusted and shocked by things done by their army to obtain that victory.

The same applies to Islam today. Muslim nations can not directly attack Europe with thier own nations troops, for obvious reasons, so instead they supply and train covert paramilitry groups to do the job, we call these people Terrorists, to give them a label, state sponsored terrorists. Combine this with young muslims males who are influenced and felt led to join the secret army, you end up with a serious threat and fear of not knowing when these people will strike.

The purpose of these terrorists is to bend governments to thier will, we see that already, many Western governments pander and run scared of offending Muslims, as anything negative to Islam could result in a wave of suicide bombers. Eventually this secret army will rise up and fight civil wars in European countries, they will still be called terrorists, but governments will not be able to stop the blood shed so will end up giving the Muslims their own regions which they can govern how they want.

This is how Islam works, its too late to stop it now, this is war but Western nations and populations do not see it as war and a taking over of Europe. Most muslims will not like what is happening or agree with what is happening, but they will approve of the end results, such as an Islamic government ruling United Kingdom.

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YOu are taking my comments out of context. I did not call for genocide, I simply pointed out the only way to stop Islam is to kill them all, but we can not do that.

Islam is dangerous, too many liberals and blind doo gooders trying to appease Islam just to save thier backsides and prevent Islamic jihadists paying a visit like they did today.

Certainly not all muslims will be happy with these so called terrorist attacks and want to distance themsleves, but that does not mean the threat is there and the main goal of Islam still exists.

DUring wartime and conflicts, only a small percentage of the population go and fight. Many things are done in war that are disgusting and filthy, a number of vetrans of past conflicts who post on these forums have seen and done horrible things, although the nation will celebrate a victory in war, the nation on a whole will be disgusted and shocked by things done by their army to obtain that victory.

The same applies to Islam today. Muslim nations can not directly attack Europe with thier own nations troops, for obvious reasons, so instead they supply and train covert paramilitry groups to do the job, we call these people Terrorists, to give them a label, state sponsored terrorists. Combine this with young muslims males who are influenced and felt led to join the secret army, you end up with a serious threat and fear of not knowing when these people will strike.

The purpose of these terrorists is to bend governments to thier will, we see that already, many Western governments pander and run scared of offending Muslims, as anything negative to Islam could result in a wave of suicide bombers. Eventually this secret army will rise up and fight civil wars in European countries, they will still be called terrorists, but governments will not be able to stop the blood shed so will end up giving the Muslims their own regions which they can govern how they want.

This is how Islam works, its too late to stop it now, this is war but Western nations and populations do not see it as war and a taking over of Europe. Most muslims will not like what is happening or agree with what is happening, but they will approve of the end results, such as an Islamic government ruling United Kingdom.

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okies but the way i read it i am sure many on a google search wud read the same, i agree that anyone whose chose to use arms for terrorism must pay the consequence. i cant disagree about some countries in europe that are gonna have problems ahead, as we may but as for being taken over, we are england, we have fought wars for over a 1000 years and since the battle of hastings we done quite well. personally i think we are a sleeping giant. look at the recent great wars we fought. boar war to ww2, i really believe if we keep our eyes on the lord he will direct our paths, so to me the answer is for the nation to get back to christ and thats what i pray for... and as for an attack on our sovereignty as churchill said while there is 1 man standing we will never give up and so far that strength is what has made a small nation like ours renown throughout the world.
 
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For what it matters, I had seen on the TV news that the 18 year old suspect has peacefully surrendered to the police. Though it is uncertain whether or not he was even involved to begin with as there are unconfirmed reports that he may have been in school during the attack.

The media are also now publishing the pictures of the two 30-some year old suspects on the TV.
 

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and who are isis mainly killing, other moslems, thats my whole point your just lumping em all together, we are not called as christians to do that.... though that dont come close the the unborn we massacre, maybe if we got our own house in order then it would be true the statement that true faith casts out all fear,,

you wanna know who i have trouble loving, it aint moslems

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2 Chronicles 7:14New International Version (NIV)

14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

so do we do it gods way or.......

Gee, and here I thought you were lumping them together. I do make a distinction with Muslims and the radical terrorist types. If you made a distinction in your previous posts I failed to see it.
 

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okies but the way i read it i am sure many on a google search wud read the same, i agree that anyone whose chose to use arms for terrorism must pay the consequence. i cant disagree about some countries in europe that are gonna have problems ahead, as we may but as for being taken over, we are england, we have fought wars for over a 1000 years and since the battle of hastings we done quite well. personally i think we are a sleeping giant. look at the recent great wars we fought. boar war to ww2, i really believe if we keep our eyes on the lord he will direct our paths, so to me the answer is for the nation to get back to christ and thats what i pray for... and as for an attack on our sovereignty as churchill said while there is 1 man standing we will never give up and so far that strength is what has made a small nation like ours renown throughout the world.
But you miss the point, it is a war being fought now, based on population birth rate and terrorism in order to force government change in law and attitude to Islam.

According to the 2011 census, the Islamic population doubled in 10 years rising to 2.7 million accounting for only 5% of the UK population. 1.3 million are aged under 25. Birth rate is currently 3.0.

There are scaremongering tactics going around that UK will be majority Islamic by 2050, This is based on the assumption that the Islamic population will double every 10 years. That could well happen if immigration is not tightened up, which we see happening in places like France, but the current birth rate of 3.0 will just see population increase by just under 50% of UK born muslims.

There were just over 500,000 Muslim females under 20 years old, these women will add and another 1.5 million to the population over next 30 years if birth rates remain at 3.0.

How do you prevent British nationals from giving birth? you can not. Therefore the population war has already begun, the numbers will be small for the next few decades, but give it time and Muslims will begin to account for a more significant total of UK population, especially when the White British birth rate has fallen under a sustainable level, sitting at 1.8 and falling.

Western Europe and North America seem to be only continents where people ignore or do not understand the concept of population war. It is a recognizable thing in most other countries, especailly those in continual dispute with neighbouring countries and regions, with many rewarding mothers with medals and financial packages who give birth to a high number of children.

In 10 April 2006 Colonel Gadahffi said the following
"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe, without swords, without guns, without conquest, will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.""





The Vikings were pretty good at it, they went a step further and managed to extort huge amounts of money out of the English treasury to keep the peace while they carved out a nice new home for themselves in East Anglia and all the way up to the Scottish border.
 
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and a group of muslims that called to Jesus at last minute, and he answered...lucky they hadn't been put of by the haters here

[video=youtube;1yU87JMtzEo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yU87JMtzEo[/video]

oh and i live in london and am safe to walk any streets at night, but if you rather believe haters that dont even live here//

and for those lovers of god who pray for all (including muslems), to be saved, there's reports all over of peoples having encounters with christ and giving their lives to him, keep up with the praying, god is bigger than all the haters in the world..

I have genuine concern for family living there,please dont mock me.When you see a young soldier beheaded in the street on the news it gives cause for concern.No one said Muslims could not be saved and some are coming to the truth.But when you see these jackals murder 12 people in broad daylight and shoot a policeman lying in the street,begging for mercy,at point blank range,that is evil to the core.Now I'm not saying all Muslims are evil but I tell you this,the Islamic faith is demonic.It is a strong delusion and these woman in the "faith" are in bondage.It is sad to see females being born into these countries.These murderers will not stop! And these PC people better wake up before it comes to your door! Hitler was treated the same way,negotiate,he's not that bad,and before long he was storming Europe.They want to conquer the world and if we keep put heads in the sand we will soon be bowing to Mecca every day.If you want to live under Muslim laws then stay in your own country and do so.But to murder in cold blood because your "prophet" was insulted is pure madness. They must be stopped and stopped now! I hope there is a revival and many come to the truth but the evil of this religion is strong.
 
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either god is in control or his not, depends who you follow, you know the news is non stop about immigration control, and for every moslem that converts to christianity i praise god for, we all know the press use stats that suite them, whats there objective, to get as many people to read as possible then advertising space is worth more and more. i am wondering if its the moslem faith we're speaking of here, or is it 'foreigners' in our land, lets be honest here. are we talking of a religious concern, if say most converted to christianity would there still be a problem. i mean is the real issue racism. here we have a growing kenyan populationi and eastern europe population. thats what all the people i know are seeing and these are christian and their culture is expanding just as quick as the muslem culture. but that dont make good headlines..
so is god really in control... what do you thiink.
we can be part of the solution or part of the problem. what did the prince of peace say

[h=1]Matthew 12:30New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]30 [/SUP]“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
 
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I have genuine concern for family living there,please dont mock me.When you see a young soldier beheaded in the street on the news it gives cause for concern.No one said Muslims could not be saved and some are coming to the truth.But when you see these jackals murder 12 people in broad daylight and shoot a policeman lying in the street,begging for mercy,at point blank range,that is evil to the core.Now I'm not saying all Muslims are evil but I tell you this,the Islamic faith is demonic.It is a strong delusion and these woman in the "faith" are in bondage.It is sad to see females being born into these countries.These murderers will not stop! And these PC people better wake up before it comes to your door! Hitler was treated the same way,negotiate,he's not that bad,and before long he was storming Europe.They want to conquer the world and if we keep put heads in the sand we will soon be bowing to Mecca every day.If you want to live under Muslim laws then stay in your own country and do so.But to murder in cold blood because your "prophet" was insulted is pure madness. They must be stopped and stopped now! I hope there is a revival and many come to the truth but the evil of this religion is strong.
just continued hate are you one of these moslems . its hard to tell the difference. so all moslems killed that policeman you might as well say. you post seems to be about spreading fear. do we read the same book. where are we commanded to spread hate and fear. cant find it in my bible, in fact quite the opposite. seems to say those in christ walk without blame and fear.
and as for the young soldier, again lets blame the whole moslem race. i read in my paper a christian youth worker has been sentenced as a pedophile, oh are all christians pedophiles then.

no hitler was supported and financed by the west at first to fight against communist russia, once again we helped make the beast that turned against us, sound familiar..
 
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just continued hate are you one of these moslems . its hard to tell the difference. so all moslems killed that policeman you might as well say. you post seems to be about spreading fear. do we read the same book. where are we commanded to spread hate and fear. cant find it in my bible, in fact quite the opposite. seems to say those in christ walk without fear.
and as for the young soldier, again lets blame the whole moslem race. i read in my paper a christian youth worker has been sentenced as a pedophile, oh are all christians pedophiles then.
Do not put words in my mouth that I did not say!! I did not say kill all Muslims.I suppose you can read English? Did I not say I hoped there was a revival and that Muslims would come to the truth? Pretty sure I did! I did not say all Muslims were guilty.But tell me this,why is this the only religion that people have to continually say "they're not all violent"? As a Christian,as your profile says you are,you should be praying for the salvation of Muslims but you should also be righteously indignant at what happened yesterday.Why is this religion constantly defended by Christians? The religion is evil,the people need to be brought to the truth of Gods Word and brought out of bondage.Yet I hear Christians defending this evil religion all the time.It amazes me.

I'm not spreading fear any more than those who stood up years ago and said something has to be done about Hilter.ISIS is on the rise.Excuse me if I get righteously indignant when I hear of children being sawn in half and tied to barbed wire.Where do Christians get this idea that we are to stay silent while this goes on?! While young girls virginity is taken to become a child bride.And no there is no difference if a priest/preacher does it.Still deserves punishment to the full extent of the law.The Bible tells us to call out wrong so much so that it says to "snatch them from the flames".And you accuse me of spreading hate!? How do you think the disciples would deal with the Muslim faith today? Would they say nothing? Would they say "they're not all violent"? Or would they say "you are bound by a false god but we know a true God"...Do you think the Father in heaven did not shed tears yesterday as an innocent man begged for his life was shot in cold blood,I know I did! It doesn't matter if they are all radical or not.It didnt take every German to be radical or extremist to see 6 million Jews gassed or tortured to death.The same with Russia,the Chinese etc. If you are not Muslim you are an infidel according to their Koran and deserving of either slavery or death.I hate when Christians try to obscure the truth of this false religion therefore pushing these poor women and children into further bondage.If you think the Muslim faith is so peaceful and wonderful a religion go to one of these countries and tell them you are a Christian.Try to stand on the street corner with your Bible in hand and preach the gospel and see how fast you loose your head.
 
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many people in the name of christ (falsey) have done some terrible thing, same with moslems, yes the quaran is false i agree, but those that follow it to the letter arent called to kill us.. their book dont say that so we cant say all of them want to...

What does the Qur'an say about the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
I didnt say they all want to.I know what the koran says about Jews and Christians.And again why are you defending anything other than the Word of God? I dont care what their book says.And if they want to live in peace with the rest of us,have at it.Believe any religion you want to,but dont kill me because I dont honor your "prophet." Dont kill us because we dont cover women from head to toe in cloth.If that is your religion by all means live it to the fullest,in peace.
 
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I didnt say they all want to.I know what the koran says about Jews and Christians.And again why are you defending anything other than the Word of God? I dont care what their book says.And if they want to live in peace with the rest of us,have at it.Believe any religion you want to,but dont kill me because I dont honor your "prophet." Dont kill us because we dont cover women from head to toe in cloth.If that is your religion by all means live it to the fullest,in peace.
The Beatitudes

He said:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
 

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many people in the name of christ (falsey) have done some terrible thing, same with moslems, yes the quaran is false i agree, but those that follow it to the letter arent called to kill us christians.. their book dont say that so we cant say all of them want to...

What does the Qur'an say about the Jewish and Christian Scriptures

if you want a book where they are told its ok to kill us and says not good things about our savior try the talmud

Dilling: III. The Talmud and Bible Believers
You are missing the point. Those muslims who are engaing in jihad and pushing sharia for the whole world are the ones that ARE actually following the quran. THAT is why it is the religion itself that is the problem. Also a very large percentage of muslims who do not engage in jihad themselves, support those who do in poll after poll.

Here is what the quran actually teaches muslims to do: From the quran itself:

The Quran's Verses of Violence
 
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You are missing the point. Those muslims who are engaing in jihad and pushing sharia for the whole world are the ones that ARE actually following the quran. THAT is why it is the religion itself that is the problem. Also a very large percentage of muslims who do not engage in jihad themselves, support those who do in poll after poll.

Here is what the quran actually teaches muslims to do: From the quran itself:

The Quran's Verses of Violence

no the sunni moslems or some of them are attacking , the quaran doesn't call for the destruction of believers, even in what you quote i noticed words added not in the quaran as shown below.. why not ask a moslem what the quaran says instead of a site deliberately set up to spread hate... we have had no threat of the majority Shiites moslems......

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
this is the sunni moslem view of the verse. to many moslems this was about the pope
 
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The Beatitudes

He said:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Whats your point? In the OT God said "go in and kill them all" why? Because the people were the same as some of these Muslims.They killed off the weak and old for a hundred years or so,finally God said, enough! I believe he'd feels the same today.He will not allow His chosen people to be murdered.for Christians to be slaughtered.Again you defend,why are you not standing against evil as the Bible tells us to do?
 

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I didnt say they all want to.I know what the koran says about Jews and Christians.And again why are you defending anything other than the Word of God? I dont care what their book says.And if they want to live in peace with the rest of us,have at it.Believe any religion you want to,but dont kill me because I dont honor your "prophet." Dont kill us because we dont cover women from head to toe in cloth.If that is your religion by all means live it to the fullest,in peace.
I agree with you fully, sometimes Christians defend the weirdest things here. The other day I had a sister here defending an atheist right to post whatever opinion he wants to, but jumps all over me for posting a counter to his completely false and illogical assertion. Basically she was saying he can say whatever falsehoods he wants but if I call him on it and post my opinion on what the truth is from my view, then I'm not being loving and felt she should correct me. Then I notice this person seems to make a habit of this in many threads just jumping to protect their right to post any atheistic viewpoints then criticizing Christians for calling them into question. I just don't get it, and to be honest I think that these views come from them still being of this world a little too much because once you KNOW truth, there is no compromising it for others feelings, and Jesus didn’t teach us to accept and embrace everyone’s point of view all the time to make them feel good. There is only one way, and if I see anyone posting against that in a way I know to be false or silly, I may feel compelled to post a rebuttal and hope it makes someone think about it, but it’s in love not in an ego “I’m right” way.
 
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I agree with you fully, sometimes Christians defend the weirdest things here. The other day I had a sister here defending an atheist right to post whatever opinion he wants to, but jumps all over me for posting a counter to his completely false and illogical assertion. Basically she was saying he can say whatever falsehoods he wants but if I call him on it and post my opinion on what the truth is from my view, then I'm not being loving and felt she should correct me. Then I notice this person seems to make a habit of this in many threads just jumping to protect their right to post any atheistic viewpoints then criticizing Christians for calling them into question. I just don't get it, and to be honest I think that these views come from them still being of this world a little too much because once you KNOW truth, there is no compromising it for others feelings, and Jesus didn’t teach us to accept and embrace everyone’s point of view all the time to make them feel good. There is only one way, and if I see anyone posting against that in a way I know to be false or silly, I may feel compelled to post a rebuttal and hope it makes someone think about it, but it’s in love not in an ego “I’m right” way.
I totally understand where you are coming from.I do the same.Its not me that's right,it's the Bible.My favorite of all excuses is "judge not lest you be judged".It has become a catch all phrase to allow everyone to do whatever they want and sin never to be called out.Unbelievable! But yes it really annoys me when I hear Christians defending a false religion like "it's really not that bad" and quoting the koran.Well lets just help the enemy do his job why dont we? smh
 
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Whats your point? In the OT God said "go in and kill them all" why? Because the people were the same as some of these Muslims.They killed off the weak and old for a hundred years or so,finally God said, enough! I believe he'd feels the same today.He will not allow His chosen people to be murdered.for Christians to be slaughtered.Again you defend,why are you not standing against evil as the Bible tells us to do?
so if your living in the old covenant i hope you are keeping the 600 or so mosiac laws, as for me i am under the new covenant which was set by Jesus. and he makes clear what the character of a christian should be,, of course your free to follow another way. i defend those that are being falsely accused wether buddhist, athiests, moslems, cos my bible tells me to do that under the new covenant.
 
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I agree with you fully, sometimes Christians defend the weirdest things here. The other day I had a sister here defending an atheist right to post whatever opinion he wants to, but jumps all over me for posting a counter to his completely false and illogical assertion. Basically she was saying he can say whatever falsehoods he wants but if I call him on it and post my opinion on what the truth is from my view, then I'm not being loving and felt she should correct me. Then I notice this person seems to make a habit of this in many threads just jumping to protect their right to post any atheistic viewpoints then criticizing Christians for calling them into question. I just don't get it, and to be honest I think that these views come from them still being of this world a little too much because once you KNOW truth, there is no compromising it for others feelings, and Jesus didn’t teach us to accept and embrace everyone’s point of view all the time to make them feel good. There is only one way, and if I see anyone posting against that in a way I know to be false or silly, I may feel compelled to post a rebuttal and hope it makes someone think about it, but it’s in love not in an ego “I’m right” way.
no one is defending a false religion they are saying hating people of a false religion is not scriptural, if people take up arms we deal with them after prayer whatever the religion. if they are not picking up arms then we show love and we pray for them, as christians. so for you to take that and say someone is defending the moslem faith shows either a bad understanding of basic english language or you were bias against people of a different culture than yours, did christ die for some or all...
 

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no the sunni moslems or some of them are attacking , the quaran doesn't call for the destruction of believers, even in what you quote i noticed words added not in the quaran as shown below.. why not ask a moslem what the quaran says instead of a site deliberately set up to spread hate... we have had no threat of the majority Shiites moslems......

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
this is the sunni moslem view of the verse. to many moslems this was about the pope
1st off the verse you are quoting doesn't help your argument at all. Secondly, go ahead and track down all the other verses listed that call for conert or kill.

Finally, what a joke to say that shias don't engage in terror. Hezbollah, Iran and a myriad of other terror groups are all shia!

Why do you accuse Christians of hating someone merely because they show facts and the truth? Are you muslim?
 
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