Muslims kill 12 in attack at a Paris Magazine Office.

[kaylagrl]

so if your living in the old covenant i hope you are keeping the 600 or so mosiac laws, as for me i am under the new covenant which was set by Jesus. and he makes clear what the character of a christian should be,, of course your free to follow another way. i defend those that are being falsely accused wether buddhist, athiests, moslems, cos my bible tells me to do that under the new covenant.

I think you have misunderstood both the Bible and "falsely accused".


[h=1]“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”[/h]― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Bonhoeffer lost his life in a concentration camp two weeks before the war ended.He stood against the evil of Hitler.As I said before not all Germans tortured the Jews,not all of them worked the concentration camps.But they stayed silent and they are as guilty as the one who committed the crimes.As are we.

You say you are living under the NT and not the OT so you have no problem with committing adultery,coveting,stealing cause last time I checked the 10 commandments were OT. I dont see why people dont understand that God and Jesus are one and just because Jesus didnt restate everything word for word in the OT that doesn't mean it doesn't hold true for the NT.Muder is still wrong.False gods are still wrong.Jesus said "I am the Way" Your job is to defend what the Bible says and then spread the good news to those who wish to accept it.You're job is not to defend the koran.And no one is falsely accusing Muslims here.You can be obtuse about the truth of what they believe if you want to but you are wrong for doing so.

 

[Jimbone]

no one is defending a false religion they are saying hating people of a false religion is not scriptural, if people take up arms we deal with them after prayer whatever the religion. if they are not picking up arms then we show love and we pray for them, as christians. so for you to take that and say someone is defending the moslem faith shows either a bad understanding of basic english language or you were bias against people of a different culture than yours, did christ die for some or all...

LOL well they did "pick up arm" in this case didn’t they, and where do these "radical Muslims" get the ideas to do things like this? The Quran teaches these things. Yes it says some good things, but if you look into it further it's really just like they were saying earlier in the thread, and as the Muslim population grows in an area it does get more violent. That's how the Quran was written. All the very peaceful verses in the Quran were written in the beginning when they were the minority and at that point it was all "be peaceful to everyone", as their numbers increased and got more even it was all "live and let live", once they were the majority and had more people that is when all the "kill the infidel" stuff was added and that is what we see today. These horrible things are the fruits of Islam and can’t we know them by their fruits? I also don’t see where Kaylagrl or myself was calling for anyone to hate all Muslims, but we are calling their belief system evil. Look at what they do even to each other, a religion of peace? I don’t think so, but I do agree with you on the point that Jesus dies for them too. I have often wondered if all their zeal for their false god Allah was directed towards the Truth if Jesus Christ , what effect it could have on the world. I don’t see either of us calling for the extermination of any culture, just a false satanic belief system.

 

[prodigal]

1st off the verse you are quoting doesn't help your argument at all. Secondly, go ahead and track down all the other verses listed that call for conert or kill.

Finally, what a joke to say that shias don't engage in terror. Hezbollah, Iran and a myriad of other terror groups are all shia!

Why do you accuse Christians of hating someone merely because they show facts and the truth? Are you muslim?

yeh i seen your facts.... and i wont even start a debate on what you zionists call terrorists, as you can overlook the bombings of 600 children as ok casualties of war. i think that fruit speaks for itself... and you ask if i'm a christian..
ever thought of asking christians in gaza there views on the matter or maybe that wouldn't fit in to your view and is too inconvenient, do you know any moslems, is the information you get purely form the press, so you believe an unknown reporter over what christians in the area think. like the person trying to tell me that we got shia courts in the london but can never give me an address. think this thread speaks for itself now,,, i'm done here

i'm not continuing debating with people that continually spread hate. the bible is very clear about how a christian should be with fellow christians and enemies, but if thats not for you, so be it

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

no one is defending a false religion they are saying hating people of a false religion is not scriptural, if people take up arms we deal with them after prayer whatever the religion. if they are not picking up arms then we show love and we pray for them, as christians. so for you to take that and say someone is defending the moslem faith shows either a bad understanding of basic english language or you were bias against people of a different culture than yours, did christ die for some or all...

You are aware that the Bible tells us that there are some who will take themselves far beyond hope and redemption, right? And if they're taking up arms against us, killing us, telling us we are infidels and their announced purpose is to wipe our faith, our culture, and our nations from the face of the Earth, how do you propose we "reason" with them?

It literally dumbfounds me that people in governments of any nation, as well as supporters of the leftist agenda worldwide, think these animals will sit down and "negotiate." They have a single-minded agenda, and one only: The destruction of western culture, religion, and government, with the replacement of them by Islam, Islamic law, and Islamic dictatorship. They will be satisfied with nothing less than the total annihilation of all infidels, and that includes the insipid compromisers who demand we stop killing the terrorists and "talk to them."

We are at war with radical Islam. It matters not one iota that they are a minority in the Muslim world. They still number in the millions, and every single one of them is prepared to take up arms, including suicide bomb jackets, to "kill the infidel." They are fanatics, they are lunatics, and the only way we are going to stop them is to kill them. Even our own military does not grasp this reality. They will bring war to Paris again. They will bring war to London, Dublin, Brasilia, Buenos Aires, Singapore, Sydney, Ottawa, Calgary, Washington, New York, Los Angeles. They will bring war to your doorstep and mine.

There is only one way to stop them. Certainly pray for them, pray for us as well. But in the end, be prepared to do what we all know deep down we will have to do in order to preserve ourselves and our faith.

 

[Susanna]

Lord Allmighty, hear our prayer, hear our moaning
Lord, Lord, shine some light, I don't understand
But in You Lord I put my faith
Thy will be done
Amen

 

[GodIsSalvation]

There was a certain shepherd whom had three sons. The man went away on his business and he left the three sons in charge of his house.

The youngest son brought home one day a wolf and said to his brethren "Lo, I will bring this wolf into the house that it may be our dog."

The oldest son said to the youngest, "bring not this wolf into our father's house."

The middle son said "Who made you head of the house, were we not all three left in charge of the house? Are we all not equal? Therefore let us cast a ballot and determine whether the wolf be brought into our house."

The eldest son replied "I will not cast a ballot, for we were charged to keep the house, but you go and do what seems good to you."

So it was that the youngest son was determined to bring the wolf into the house and the middle son agreed for he despised the authority of his older brother. Now the older brother being wise, built for himself a room and he went into the room with his portion of the flock and he sealed the door whilest he fashioned for himself a rod of iron.

Now at the first the wolf played timid and the youngest brother put on it a collar and said, "behold you are my dog!" The wolf straight away got up and bite the youngest brother and began tearing apart the house and devouring the youngest son's flock. And the youngest brother ran to the room of his oldest brother and pounded on the door and said "let me in for this wolf is attacking me!"

And the older brother replied, "What? Is it because you have called this wolf a dog and thought that you would tame it with your collar that it bite thee? Go you your way and keep you your dog."

So the wolf devoured the youngest brother and he was no more. Then the wolf turned on the middle brother and it bit him and began tearing up the house. Then the middle brother ran up to his oldest brother's room as the wolf was busy devouring his flock and he knocked upon the door and said, "Oh brother, come you out for you are a strong man! Help me fight this wolf that we may slay it!"

But the eldest replied unto him "What? Did you not cast me aside, and did you not cast a ballot with our youngest brother? Therefore, go you your way and rely on your own strength."

So the middle brother fought with the wolf and the wolf prevailed and devoured him too. And the wolf waxed wildly throughout the house tearing it apart.

Then the eldest brother finished furnishing his rod of iron and emerged fom his room. The wolf came up against him, but he smote the wolf with a rod of iron and the wolf perished.

Then the father returned from his voyage and beheld the wreckage and said "What is this?"

The eldest son said "The brethren brought in a wolf which I said not to bring in, and I could not save them before I finish my rod of iron, and it did devour them and destroy our house. I have smote the wolf with a rod of iron, and I have preserved some of your sheep within my room."


The father replied "You have done well son in smiting the wolf and saving some sheep, but you did not keep the house as I charged thee."

The son said "Yea, you are right, and the fault is mine for I should not have let my brothers do as pleases them and the fault is mine and I deserve to be punished, and behold, here is the rod of iron with which I smote the wolf that you may chastise me."

But the father being merciful said "there has been enough suffering on account of the wolf son." So the father and the eldest mourned for the lost sons, and for the dead sheep, and for the wreckage of the home. After this the father set the home on fire, for it was defiled. Then he and his only son built them a new home and the flock of their sheep waxed back to its full strength and they lived happily ever after.

 

[kaylagrl]

yeh i seen your facts.... and i wont even start a debate on what you zionists call terrorists, as you can overlook the bombings of 600 children as ok casualties of war. i think that fruit speaks for itself... and you ask if i'm a christian..
ever thought of asking christians in gaza there views on the matter or maybe that wouldn't fit in to your view and is too inconvenient, do you know any moslems, is the information you get purely form the press, so you believe an unknown reporter over what christians in the area think. like the person trying to tell me that we got shia courts in the london but can never give me an address. think this thread speaks for itself now,,, i'm done here

i'm not continuing debating with people that continually spread hate. the bible is very clear about how a christian should be with fellow christians and enemies, but if thats not for you, so be it

Ahhh! Now we find the problem! Against the Jews! And you tell us we are spreading hate. If Christians in Gaza are saying Israel is an "occupier" they are wrong both according to Scripture and history.Hate you break this to you but God is a Zionist! So I guess God is a "hater" too. I dont want to continue debating with someone who refuses to see truth and closes their eyes to murder and evil.So maybe you had better move on because if people excuse evil I will call them on it.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

yeh i seen your facts.... and i wont even start a debate on what you zionists call terrorists, as you can overlook the bombings of 600 children as ok casualties of war.

Bombings by Israel in retaliation for missile launches, suicide bombings, armed attacks, and other such deadly violence carried out by cowards who hide among the women and children who wind up paying the price for their terror. Why is it you who want to lay blame on Israel's doorstep never remember who started it?

All the Palestinians had to do was welcome Israel into the family of nations and peacefully co-exist with them. All could have prospered. Instead, after flatly refusing to govern themselves for 400 years, allowing their land to be a haven for scum from other Mideastern countries who would put them to death if they ever set foot inside those borders again, the Palestians cried out about "unfairness and injustice" over a land they previously had not given one care about whatsoever, nor had any claim of ownership over, demanding their Arab "brothers" -- who would otherwise cut their hands or their heads off for their past crimes -- send aid and arms.

And for hate's purposes and hate alone, those other nations did just that. For no other reason than their passions and anger had burned inside them for 2,000 years, and they could not let it go. And so we have war.

Be sure you know who really hates. Be sure you know who the guilty party is. From your post, it is obvious you haven't a clue about either.

 

[prodigal]

Ahhh! Now we find the problem! Against the Jews! And you tell us we are spreading hate. If Christians in Gaza are saying Israel is an "occupier" they are wrong both according to Scripture and history.Hate you break this to you but God is a Zionist! So I guess God is a "hater" too. I dont want to continue debating with someone who refuses to see truth and closes their eyes to murder and evil.So maybe you had better move on because if people excuse evil I will call them on it.

sorry where was i against jews, i have quite a few as friends from stamford hill uk, that are jewish, zionism is a political movement, do you not know this. my grandfather was jewish. your understanding of basic english words maybe needs revision

 

[prodigal]

Bombings by Israel in retaliation for missile launches, suicide bombings, armed attacks, and other such deadly violence carried out by cowards who hide among the women and children who wind up paying the price for their terror. Why is it you who want to lay blame on Israel's doorstep never remember who started it?

All the Palestinians had to do was welcome Israel into the family of nations and peacefully co-exist with them. All could have prospered. Instead, after flatly refusing to govern themselves for 400 years, allowing their land to be a haven for scum from other Mideastern countries who would put them to death if they ever set foot inside those borders again, the Palestians cried out about "unfairness and injustice" over a land they previously had not given one care about whatsoever, nor had any claim of ownership over, demanding their Arab "brothers" -- who would otherwise cut their hands or their heads off for their past crimes -- send aid and arms.

And for hate's purposes and hate alone, those other nations did just that. For no other reason than their passions and anger had burned inside them for 2,000 years, and they could not let it go. And so we have war.

Be sure you know who really hates. Be sure you know who the guilty party is. From your post, it is obvious you haven't a clue about either.

first answer is to lay the blame rather than see these children as humans who have blood and bones like us, that says a lot, even if your view was correct,, to tottally miss the humanity of the situation speaks for itself

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

first answer is to lay the blame rather than see these children as humans who have blood and bones like us, that says a lot, even if your view was correct,, to tottally miss the humanity of the situation speaks for itself

I have no less sorrow for the Palestinian children who suffer in war than I do for the Israeli children who suffer in the same way. But the Palestinian terrorists who strike at Israel and then hide among their own children, literally sacrificing those children to Israeli bombs, are cowards, useless animals, and deserve no sympathy whatsoever.

They delight in their children's deaths, because they know fools in the rest of the world will see only the dead children, and not the cause of their deaths -- that being the rats who claim to be freedom fighters using them as human shields, knowing their deaths will give them fodder among the idiots who will blame Israel.

Certainly we cry for the children. Somebody has to. The terrorists who hide among them and cause their deaths laugh.

 

[kaylagrl]

sorry where was i against jews, i have quite a few as friends from stamford hill uk, that are jewish, zionism is a political movement, do you not know this. my grandfather was jewish. your understanding of basic english words maybe needs revision

Ok you dont have to point out my understanding of English. I know what you are saying.I know what Zionism is but just to be sure we mean the same thing I googled it...Zionism "[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel." So before we go further are we on the same page there? And if we agree tell me why you are against Zionists if you would.Because I dont care who your friends and relatives are,God gave Israel its homeland.[/FONT]

 

[inge]

For backing up my arguments. I have been married to an Egyptian Coptic and have seen with my own eyes that Islam can cause problems. I have seen the persecution of Christians in Egypt when I did visit them several times in a period of 4 years (2008-2012). In Egypt I have noticed that Extreme Islam tries to get a hold on society. In public the amount of woman dressed in totally black did grew. And yes.. as western girl you have issues in such a society. (Did not want to live there.) And since a year I work with ex-refugees in my countries and I meet persecuted Christians, persecuted Muslims and all kind of people.

What is happening?
This said.... about the whole issue as mentioned what happened in France, and how to treat Muslim I look a bit further than just telling the first thing that comes to my mind.

I am not a conspiracy kind of person but I know from the bible that this world is a stage for a war that satan likes to bring on us. Satan likes to bring fear and hate. When you are a liberal Muslim (as many are) than you are not used to the extreme violence that we hear of nowadays. I have met many nice Muslim people, nothing wrong with them. But when they are under a teacher what is a fundamentalist than yes... it goes wrong. Why... because we read in the old testament that other religions than the God of the Bible, are having idols. Whom does not worship God but someone or something else.. worships an idol. And behind idols are demons.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
And what happens with them? Do we think idols do not do the things anymore as they did in Biblical times? Well that is a wrong assumption. At the same time we are not called to fight those idol believers as if we need to kill them. This is what God ask us:

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Cor 10:3-5
​

We will see more fear... the Bible - God Himself- warns us. So how will this fear grow?

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws nigh. Luk 21:24-28
​

Satan tries to sow more and more fear, worries .... and wars.
When we give in, into calling people names and in worry we are in the perfect place where satan likes us to be.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they (whom?? only Muslim?)deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
​

What Media is speaking truth? Whom is speaking truth?
satan uses media, yes he uses all people that are not free in Christ. He can be roaring like a lion and also as an angle of light. He is both against Islam, stirring hate against Islam and Muslim... and also stirring up extreme Islamist. So when we speak about it... do we speak out of fear, or do act as Jesus has learned us?

No nation, no idol, no religion, no world leader, no government no army can save us for the coming fear and hate and war.
Only Jesus can. As Noah was saved by the ark of God.... so can we be saved by our ark -Jesus.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:38
​

Do we see, and hear the flood coming? Yes... but what is this flood... is it fear and satans tactics using people and nations... or is it one particular religion?

 

[prodigal]

Ok you dont have to point out my understanding of English. I know what you are saying.I know what Zionism is but just to be sure we mean the same thing I googled it...Zionism "Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel." So before we go further are we on the same page there? And if we agree tell me why you are against Zionists if you would.Because I dont care who your friends and relatives are,God gave Israel its homeland.

well 1 kings 11:11 is a good read and so is galations 3:16-24 , then ur see where i stand

 

[kaylagrl]

For backing up my arguments. I have been married to an Egyptian Coptic and have seen with my own eyes that Islam can cause problems. I have seen the persecution of Christians in Egypt when I did visit them several times in a period of 4 years (2008-2012). In Egypt I have noticed that Extreme Islam tries to get a hold on society. In public the amount of woman dressed in totally black did grew. And yes.. as western girl you have issues in such a society. (Did not want to live there.) And since a year I work with ex-refugees in my countries and I meet persecuted Christians, persecuted Muslims and all kind of people.

What is happening?
This said.... about the whole issue as mentioned what happened in France, and how to treat Muslim I look a bit further than just telling the first thing that comes to my mind.

I am not a conspiracy kind of person but I know from the bible that this world is a stage for a war that satan likes to bring on us. Satan likes to bring fear and hate. When you are a liberal Muslim (as many are) than you are not used to the extreme violence that we hear of nowadays. I have met many nice Muslim people, nothing wrong with them. But when they are under a teacher what is a fundamentalist than yes... it goes wrong. Why... because we read in the old testament that other religions than the God of the Bible, are having idols. Whom does not worship God but someone or something else.. worships an idol. And behind idols are demons.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
And what happens with them? Do we think idols do not do the things anymore as they did in Biblical times? Well that is a wrong assumption. At the same time we are not called to fight those idol believers as if we need to kill them. This is what God ask us:

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Cor 10:3-5
​

We will see more fear... the Bible - God Himself- warns us. So how will this fear grow?

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws nigh. Luk 21:24-28
​

Satan tries to sow more and more fear, worries .... and wars.
When we give in, into calling people names and in worry we are in the perfect place where satan likes us to be.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they (whom?? only Muslim?)deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
​

What Media is speaking truth? Whom is speaking truth?
satan uses media, yes he uses all people that are not free in Christ. He can be roaring like a lion and also as an angle of light. He is both against Islam, stirring hate against Islam and Muslim... and also stirring up extreme Islamist. So when we speak about it... do we speak out of fear, or do act as Jesus has learned us?

No nation, no idol, no religion, no world leader, no government no army can save us for the coming fear and hate and war.
Only Jesus can. As Noah was saved by the ark of God.... so can we be saved by our ark -Jesus.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:38
​

Do we see, and hear the flood coming? Yes... but what is this flood... is it fear and satans tactics using people and nations... or is it one particular religion?

Thank you for sharing that Inge. You made good points.My only comment is your last sentence...I believe very much Satan and all his demons are using the more radical in the Muslim faith to push their evil.Moderate Muslims are being persecuted too.I dont know which way they will go,I would think it is a hard place to be in.I do not hate the Muslim people but as I said I believe their religion is a terrible delusion and that they are trapped in it.Especially women and children.To try and obscure the truth does not help them.Shine the light of truth so they may come to a true understanding of the Bible.

 

[kaylagrl]

well 1 kings 11:11 is a good read and so is galations 3:16-24 , then ur see where i stand

Well this is where I stand...

Romans 11... I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b]5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.


Further in the chapter...25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h]receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Agricola]

Amazing how everything seems to come back to Gaza and Israel. At least the Bible was right about the world eye on the place!

Prodigal's responses are typical of most British people. There seems to be no sensible middle ground. I will avoid Gaza and West Bank as that is not what the subject is about.

Fact is, Islam is the only religion which calls for the whole world to come under its control and rule. A few of the elite leaders of the Islamic world work to this goal. General population are on the whole ignorant of this long term goal, but they readily participate simply by emigrating to European countries.

There is a lot of scaremongering and false information flying around regarding Islam and Muslims in UK, but that is not to say that there are problems and issues that are emerging as the Islamic population rises.

I will raise the point again that, only a few people of a nations population are actively involved in war, so it is with Muslims in UK. nearly all muslims are going to be nice people who you would love to invite to dinner. Hating their religion and what its goals and aims are , does not mean I want to kill them or see them die, but I have to recognise that their existence in UK means that there could be a day when they are in the majority and white British people are the minorities.

THe danger of Islam is that it the population will grow large enough to begin to influence politics and law making. We already have numerous Muslim MPs, theoretically in 100 years we could end up with an Islamic government. We also see some areas in towns and cities being ethnically cleansed of non-muslims through harassment and even violence. We have let Islam invade our nations through the back door and a relaxed immigration policy.


We should stick to the old phrase, love the sinner and hate the sin, love Muslims but hate their religion.

 

[PennEd]

yeh i seen your facts.... and i wont even start a debate on what you zionists call terrorists, as you can overlook the bombings of 600 children as ok casualties of war. i think that fruit speaks for itself... and you ask if i'm a christian..
ever thought of asking christians in gaza there views on the matter or maybe that wouldn't fit in to your view and is too inconvenient, do you know any moslems, is the information you get purely form the press, so you believe an unknown reporter over what christians in the area think. like the person trying to tell me that we got shia courts in the london but can never give me an address. think this thread speaks for itself now,,, i'm done here

i'm not continuing debating with people that continually spread hate. the bible is very clear about how a christian should be with fellow christians and enemies, but if thats not for you, so be it

Newsflash guy. YOUR'E the only one talking about Christians hating people. NO ONE here said they hated ANYONE. But we do finally get a glimpse into some form of hatred by you, and why you are defending muslims so vociferously with this post of yours.

We finally got to the bottom, and the bottom here is anti-semitism!! I reeeallly have a very strong aversion to people who couch their hatred of jews with terms like "zionists". Check your heart bro.

 

[prodigal]

Well this is where I stand...

Romans 11...I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel:3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]?4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b]5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.


Further in the chapter...25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h]receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

yep and paul was the example of this and so am i my family was jewish became gentile then i was saved, so i can include the scriptures you gave in my belief whereas you just dismiss the scriptures i gave you cos they dont fit your ideology.mmmm

 

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Newsflash guy. YOUR'E the only one talking about Christians hating people. NO ONE here said they hated ANYONE. But we do finally get a glimpse into some form of hatred by you, and why you are defending muslims so vociferously with this post of yours.

We finally got to the bottom, and the bottom here is anti-semitism!! I reeeallly have a very strong aversion to people who couch their hatred of jews with terms like "zionists". Check your heart bro.

again reading but not percieving.. i refer you back to the beginning of the thread, and you call me anti semetic, easy word to throw about for those that dont understand what zionism is, i suppose the following jew is anti semetic too..

[video=youtube;awCOSRg-gks]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks[/video]

your the one in agreement with an athiest politcal agenda , think best remove the plank before you call for me to have a heart check