Muslims march in London chanting "butcher butcher the jews"

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Dude653

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Muhammad didnt command to kill those who were of a different race than you, he commanded to kill the unbelievers.

Also, Ive heard that though Malcolm X converted to Islam, he eventually left it. Am gonna look that up now.
Malcolm X was rejected by the Nation of Islam after exposing Elijah Muhammad infidelity. Some say Farrakhan was in on his murder but we will probably never know
 

Yeraza_Bats

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Also, Ive heard that though Malcolm X converted to Islam, he eventually left it. Am gonna look that up now.

Just found this in a wikipedia search just now-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

Beliefs of the Nation of Islam

Further information: Beliefs and theology of the Nation of Islam
The white liberal differs from the white con*serv*a*tive only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.

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While he was a member of the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X taught its beliefs, and his statements often began with the phrase "The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that..."[SUP][230][/SUP] It is virtually impossible now to discern whether Malcolm X's personal beliefs at the time diverged from the teachings of the Nation of Islam.[SUP][231][/SUP][SUP][K][/SUP] After he left the Nation in 1964, he compared himself to a ventriloquist's dummy who could only say what Elijah Muhammad told him to say.[SUP][230][/SUP][SUP][L]
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Malcolm X taught that black people were the original people of the world,[SUP][86][/SUP] and that white people were a race of devils who were created by an evil scientist named Yakub.[SUP][87][/SUP] The Nation of Islam believed that black people were superior to white people, and that the demise of the white race was imminent.[SUP][88][/SUP] When questioned concerning his statements that white people were devils, Malcolm X said: "history proves the white man is a devil."[SUP][232][/SUP] "Anybody who rapes, and plunders, and enslaves, and steals, and drops hell bombs on people... anybody who does these things is nothing but a devil."[SUP][233]
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Malcolm X said that Islam was the "true religion of black mankind" and that Christianity was "the white man's religion" that had been imposed upon African Americans by their slave-masters.[SUP][234][/SUP] He said that the Nation of Islam followed Islam as it was practiced around the world, but the Nation's teachings varied from those of other Muslims because they were adapted to the "uniquely pitiful" condition of black people in America.[SUP][235][/SUP] He taught that Wallace Fard Muhammad, the founder of the Nation, was Allah incarnate,[SUP][236][/SUP]and that Elijah Muhammad was his Messenger, or Prophet.[SUP][M]
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While the civil rights movement fought against racial segregation, Malcolm X advocated the complete separation of blacks from whites. The Nation of Islam proposed the establishment of a separate country for African Americans in the southern[SUP][98][/SUP] or southwestern United States[SUP][237][/SUP] as an interim measure until African Americans could return to Africa.[SUP][99][/SUP] Malcolm X suggested the United States government owed reparations to black people for the unpaid labor of their ancestors.[SUP][238][/SUP] He also rejected the civil rights movement's strategy of nonviolence, advocating instead that black people should defend themselves.[SUP][100][/SUP]
This doesnt really have anything to do with Islam, especially seeing that Muhammad himself was white : p And it definitely seems like his "religious" views were more about race than anything else, and that he hated Christianity not because he thought it was untrue, but because most white Americans accepted Christianity.

I wouldnt take his religious views seriously : p
 

Dude653

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Just found this in a wikipedia search just now-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X



This doesnt really have anything to do with Islam, especially seeing that Muhammad himself was white : p And it definitely seems like his "religious" views were more about race than anything else, and that he hated Christianity not because he thought it was untrue, but because most white Americans accepted Christianity.

I wouldnt take his religious views seriously :
Malcolm X did indeed have some pretty off-the-wall theology. However he did seem to be a man of integrity and only wanted to uplift the black community. I don't agree with all of his philosophies but I do believe he had good intentions.
 

JosephsDreams

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I believe Malcom X was a intelligent sensitive man searching for the truth. He was thrust into the circumstances he was in due to extreme hate and prejudice, and a broken home, broken in part because of this.

Many of us would have responded the same.

Close to the time of his death he was in the early stages of transitioning into some other belief.
What, I can not say, but it is clear he was asking fundamental questions.

I think in better times and conditions he may have been a politician or preacher of love or successful business person.
 
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Firstly I expect I wont be believed if I say that this comparatively small demonstration is not typical of the main Muslim population. The idea of ''rounding them up'' would just play into their hands. We have freedom of speech in the UK however much we loath the message. However you can be sure that those involved in this are being closely watched by our security. This was not covered by our news channels at all as far as I know, which is a good indication of how low it was rated.


I follow this woman on FB,she is excellent...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
 
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After the experience of 9/11 I can understand the reaction /attitude of some Americans towards Muslims. We also have had terrorist attacks here. But branding every Muslim a member of ISIS is inviting hostility from your own Muslim population. During the 1970s we
were fighting a war against the IRA terrorists who were killing our Troops and Civilians and tried to assassinate senior members our Government including Margaret Thatcher. Yet we didnt brand every Irish national an IRA member. All I am saying is get things in proportion.

Islam is a satanic religion and we ought to be praying that the people within it find Jesus and come out from that terrible bondage. They do not need to be accepted in their religion.They need to be reached for Christ.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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Id say theres a difference between speaking out against the religion of Islam and its commands of voilence, and calling every Muslim a terrorist.

Also, I think its far more important to help Muslims leave Islam and find Christ than helping them feel accepted for their beliefs.
 

JosephsDreams

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From now until the day when Jesus comes, Islam is going to be at the center of world events. The anti Christ comes from the middle east, and I would expect he will be a Muslim. How could the devil not be Muslim? He is after all the founder the Islamic cult of evil.
 
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Dude,

think on this, 'duluded'...just think on what the 'world' desires of 'us' when we are
serving 'it'...
 

Dude653

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I think it might just be a tiny bit of an overreaction to assume every Muslim wants to kill me
 

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I think it might just be a tiny bit of an overreaction to assume every Muslim wants to kill me
Between 2001 and 2009 I worked in an area of East London that was about 48% Muslim. If I had the attitude of some on site
I would have had to have an armed Police escort to get to and from work
 
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Marching in the streets of London against Jews, Christians and America. They are saying "itbah itbah al yahud" which literally means "butcher butcher the Jews" sometimes they chant "Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud" which refers to the town of Khaybar where Jews were slaughtered by the Arabs. Was Trump right in trying to ban these people ? They hate America, Jews and Christians. So much hatred in these people.

<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">[video=youtube;e7P4NXxJgt0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7P4NXxJgt0[/video]

Bloody hell, just read this whole forum. Nuts. Even alternate news have not been showing this to happen... what reliable news is there? :(:(:(

I do agree, and know that islam is evil, and of Muhammad and what he did... and that people STILL follow him?!!?!?!?!? AFTER what is written in the Koran? And some WANT to follow those evil acts and do as their daily lives? That this is encouraged in the West to accept muslims, the Koran, and their belief system? TOTAL LUNACY

But it's our society today :( with this type of world, there's no wonder why the world is in such a disaster
 
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I remember after the muslim "refugees/immigrants" started coming into this country. It was on the news that the Jews were leaving the UK and then on the news the now prime minister said it was "shocking that Jews were leaving the UK for their own safety". But nothing got done about it. Statistics off bbc news even showed Jew-Hate crime had risen over 50% since the muslim infestation had come into the country. (They didn't use that wording of course since they support the muslims, but the date matched).

Why is this even allowed to happen? And why don't the world just wake up to the facts? instead of being brainwashed by the liberal mainstream political correct propaganda.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I think it might just be a tiny bit of an overreaction to assume every Muslim wants to kill me
No one said that every Muslim wants to kill you.


Merely that Islam commands Muslims to kill you.


Why do you always change the point of a convo to make it seem silly?
 

JosephsDreams

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Between 2001 and 2009 I worked in an area of East London that was about 48% Muslim. If I had the attitude of some on site
I would have had to have an armed Police escort to get to and from work
Well that's the game. The same game the devil plays.
Your the fly, they are the venus fly trap plant. Your flying around innocently looking to grab a bit of sweet nectar from a flower. There it is enticing you. You fly onto it's petals like you have dozens of time before with other flowers. Except this one has a different and more cunning mentality. Before you realize what happened, its to late.
 

Dude653

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No one said that every Muslim wants to kill you.


Merely that Islam commands Muslims to kill you.


Why do you always change the point of a convo to make it seem silly?
I have not read the Quran so I don't know the context of these scriptures. However we have scriptures in our Old Testament that say similar things
 

JosephsDreams

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I have not read the Quran so I don't know the context of these scriptures. However we have scriptures in our Old Testament that say similar things
You really need to read a least a good chunk of the Koran, and a couple of books about it and the Arab mentality before you make any comments about this. As you said, context. Trust me, the context of the two books taken as a whole are completely different. I do not say this in a snark manner. Just that you assuming that the bible says the same thing is a mistake.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I have not read the Quran so I don't know the context of these scriptures. However we have scriptures in our Old Testament that say similar things
Well, I know for a fact that I have posted many verses in the quran that say "kill the unbeliever", you could have at any point in time looked up the verse for context.
(the context btw is "kill the unbelievers, Muslims who do will receive a greater reward")

And no, the OT doesnt have similar verses. It has recorded history of a time God commanded Israel to war with another nation, and discipline for those who commit sin. But if you actually read the entire bible for context, the message is clear. All have broken these laws, and God wants us to repent and not face the penalty for sin.

The quran, on the other hand, teaches kill the unbeliever and force the "people of the scripture" to submit and pay a life tax.

Whether or not every Muslim does this is irrelevant. Many people smoke cigarettes. Not everyone who smokes cigarettes has lung cancer. But smoking cigarettes can still cause lung cancer.
 

Dude653

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Our Old Testament tells us to kill homosexuals and and witches.....
By that do we assume that all Christians want to murder homosexuals and people accused of being witches? Of course not