Muslims march in London chanting "butcher butcher the jews"
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Are christians running around waging jihad....using hospitals and children as trenches to hide in? Mass murdering people in the streets with bombs and guns? Trying to obtain chemical biological nuclear weapons to kill as many as possible? Are they mutilating their womens bodies and not allowing them to drive or get an education or to show an ankle? Are they indoctrinating their kids to hate and kill westerners?
Every Christian I know just wants to raise their family in peace and not have to worry about disease or some greasy dirtbag blowing them up in a shopping mall. But hey...if you wanna live like they do in some 3rd world crap hole and wipe your butt with your hand be my guest....just don't do it here.
Every Christian I know just wants to raise their family in peace and not have to worry about disease or some greasy dirtbag blowing them up in a shopping mall. But hey...if you wanna live like they do in some 3rd world crap hole and wipe your butt with your hand be my guest....just don't do it here.
Before I get to Bible verses, I must ONCE AGAIN remind you that no one said "all Muslims will kill you", but that Islam commands war against the unbelievers, and teaches that Muslims must be gathered against the Jews.
As for the Laws in the Bible, yes death is what should come of sinners. The Law on Idolatry-
Deut 13:6-10
And here is what God Himself has said to the idolaters-
Jeremiah 3:11-25
And Jesus gives us the same teaching, when given a stone to kill the adulteress woman, He tells us "he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
If you read the entirety of the bible, the context is clear. This is why you do not see Christians going out and killing sinners.
Islam, on the other hand, has clear commands to kill the unbelievers and hypocrites. And no, the context does not change if you read into it. They are clear commands to make war with the unbelievers, and to be unyielding to them. This is why there has always been a problem with murder and violence in Islam.
As for the Laws in the Bible, yes death is what should come of sinners. The Law on Idolatry-
Deut 13:6-10
And here is what God Himself has said to the idolaters-
Jeremiah 3:11-25
And Jesus gives us the same teaching, when given a stone to kill the adulteress woman, He tells us "he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
If you read the entirety of the bible, the context is clear. This is why you do not see Christians going out and killing sinners.
Islam, on the other hand, has clear commands to kill the unbelievers and hypocrites. And no, the context does not change if you read into it. They are clear commands to make war with the unbelievers, and to be unyielding to them. This is why there has always been a problem with murder and violence in Islam.
I agree....been teaching for about 7 years that the 12th IMAM/MADHI is the beast/little horn of Revelation/Daniel A.K.A. Anti-Christ so called....
Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is Satan...........
Jesus stated that the church at Pergamos was located where Satan's seat was located.....The Throne of Zeus was in Pergamos
Tells me Zeus was real as in Satan......historically speaking the false gods I named correspond with Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome and the god worshipped at the end of the age......
A continuing attempt by Satan to be worshipped in a man as God.....
Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is Satan...........
Jesus stated that the church at Pergamos was located where Satan's seat was located.....The Throne of Zeus was in Pergamos
Tells me Zeus was real as in Satan......historically speaking the false gods I named correspond with Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome and the god worshipped at the end of the age......
A continuing attempt by Satan to be worshipped in a man as God.....
Then why on earth do you want them to export it here? Here in Mt we've had it pretty good for a long time. Now the Californians are moving in to escape the lunacy of california but bringing it right along with them. My dad used to say....no matter where you go, there you are.
No matter where a backwards indoctrinated muslim jihadist goes....there they are.
No matter where a backwards indoctrinated muslim jihadist goes....there they are.
I guess you have not gotten to thew NT yet?
Jesus sets forth a new covenant there, if you have not heard.
You mentioning the OT in that context is erroneous.
In fact, if we still lived in OT times, you and probably just about every other liberal in America would be dead.
Sometimes I think the OT principals was not a bad idea...
Jesus sets forth a new covenant there, if you have not heard.
You mentioning the OT in that context is erroneous.
In fact, if we still lived in OT times, you and probably just about every other liberal in America would be dead.
Sometimes I think the OT principals was not a bad idea...
Even in the OT, like the verses I posted from Jeremiah, God calls on those who have committed offenses that call for execution to come back to Him and acknowledge their guilt, and that He would take them back.
The law is sin equals death, but the Bible makes it clear, we are not saved through the law but through grace, and all we must do is repent of our sins. That is why Christians dont kill sinners, as taught to us by Christ. We have all sinned, and right now we are being called to repent, so we are not in a position to hold anyone accountable. It is a clear contrast to Islam.
The law is sin equals death, but the Bible makes it clear, we are not saved through the law but through grace, and all we must do is repent of our sins. That is why Christians dont kill sinners, as taught to us by Christ. We have all sinned, and right now we are being called to repent, so we are not in a position to hold anyone accountable. It is a clear contrast to Islam.
Exactly why I live on 50 acres on a spring fed creek 30 miles nearest town, down a dead end 6 mile gravel road and a gauntlet of weapons and friends that one must go thru to get to me......9100 sq ft of nice cabins/houses (10) generate our own power, food plots for deer and turkey and about 80,000 rounds of ammo, 30 friends and only connected by sat tv and internet.....I have to drive to top of my hill (a 250 yard driveway) to get cell service and I am talkin 1 to 2 bars on the phone......
The U.S. will fall eventually and when it falls...it will be a civil war first and then an active invasion after an initial strike......Islam will sweep the planet under the beast.....it is coming.....sooner than later IMO
The U.S. will fall eventually and when it falls...it will be a civil war first and then an active invasion after an initial strike......Islam will sweep the planet under the beast.....it is coming.....sooner than later IMO
I just want to start out by saying that you and I interpret this portion of the bible the same. We both acknowledge that in the old covenant we were commanded to kill the unbeliever but we have different instructions now (new covenant).
This is not unlike many Muslims. They acknowledge why people think "all Muslims" believe in killing the unbelievers just like people who believe in the old testament law to this day are commanded to do the same. However, just as you and I believe in a new covenant and a new precedent created by the Savior Jesus Christ there are Muslims who believe that the passages that encourage death to the unbeliever are not for them today... That in order to understand the scripture we have to read it in context... They state the importance of understanding WHO it was written for and why.
Now, I'll be the first to admit I haven't read much from their "scriptures" nor do I wish to honestly. But I've seen Christians who accept the bible as a whole and who differ in belief from other Christians... from trivial (should we drink even a drop of alcohol) to pretty deep doctrine (the trinity). I can't put all Muslims in a box.
I appreciate you separating the individual (a Muslim not wanting to kill an unbeliever) from their faith (passage telling them to kill unbelievers not unlike our OC/OT).
This is not unlike many Muslims. They acknowledge why people think "all Muslims" believe in killing the unbelievers just like people who believe in the old testament law to this day are commanded to do the same. However, just as you and I believe in a new covenant and a new precedent created by the Savior Jesus Christ there are Muslims who believe that the passages that encourage death to the unbeliever are not for them today... That in order to understand the scripture we have to read it in context... They state the importance of understanding WHO it was written for and why.
Now, I'll be the first to admit I haven't read much from their "scriptures" nor do I wish to honestly. But I've seen Christians who accept the bible as a whole and who differ in belief from other Christians... from trivial (should we drink even a drop of alcohol) to pretty deep doctrine (the trinity). I can't put all Muslims in a box.
I appreciate you separating the individual (a Muslim not wanting to kill an unbeliever) from their faith (passage telling them to kill unbelievers not unlike our OC/OT).
Okay....but just for the sake of argument. Can you name one muslim country that treats everyone equally? Did you see the navy seal guy who asked his Iraqi counterparts what would happen to him if went into the general population? They told him that he would be kidnapped, tortured and eventually killed. He asked by who...they told him by the average Iraqi.
So the average Iraqi would kill torture you and kill you if you were in Iraq. That sort of flies in the face of what you say here.
So...if a Muslim man wearing a headscarf was walking down the street in your town...would he be treated the same? Would he be kidnapped tortured and killed? No, he wouldn't!
The middle east is a cesspool of barbarians who only understand violence and they need to be conquered and stamped out. I'm pretty sure that is exactly what the bible says that Jesus will do when He returns.
So the average Iraqi would kill torture you and kill you if you were in Iraq. That sort of flies in the face of what you say here.
So...if a Muslim man wearing a headscarf was walking down the street in your town...would he be treated the same? Would he be kidnapped tortured and killed? No, he wouldn't!
The middle east is a cesspool of barbarians who only understand violence and they need to be conquered and stamped out. I'm pretty sure that is exactly what the bible says that Jesus will do when He returns.
There will be exceptions to the rule though. I don't disagree about foreign Muslims who run an Islamic state entirely on their religious beliefs. It's why I would never allow my family to even visit those countries. Not on my watch. This is why I'm for Trump's temporary ban and "extreme vetting". I'm speaking about Muslims as a whole though (Muslims from all over the world). They aren't all the same. For someone to say that a Muslim MUST believe in killing the unbeliever if they claim to be a Muslim because their doctrine dictates it is like a Muslim telling a Christian who lives in the new covenant that we believe in killing unbelievers too. They can quote our OT scripture that commands us to do it, but we read the bible as a whole and acknowledge the OT/OC is not for us today. If a Muslim believes killing unbelievers is not for them to do today then I applaud them. It's one step closer to getting them out of that faith. I certainly don't want to accuse them of having a murderous heart when they truly don't.
You could start here 
The Quran's Verses of Violence
The Quran's Verses of ViolenceBut we have to be careful. I have a friend who used to bring all matter of person into his home with his wife and daughters. Didn't matter who it was or what they looked like. He'd pick them up on the side of the road or they'd be fresh out of jail or whatever. His purpose was to minister to them and share the gospel with them. One morning his wife awoke to one of them sitting next to her bed watching her as she slept. Do you think he still does that? Is that safe for his family? What if his daughter or wife was raped or murdered by one of them? Was it worth it?