November 8th 2016

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RickyZ

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CharlieGrown 2020!
 

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I thought the ultimate point of the Kobeashimaru test was to prove (through Kirk) that there was no such thing as a no-win scenario.

By ultimate I mean in the sense of the story arc. I realize that Starfleet put it together to prepare officers for failure in the field.
 

RickyZ

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I thought the ultimate point of the Kobeashimaru test was to prove (through Kirk) that there was no such thing as a no-win scenario.

By ultimate I mean in the sense of the story arc. I realize that Starfleet put it together to prepare officers for failure in the field.
Aaaaand that fills Charlie's VP spot!
 
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I thought the ultimate point of the Kobeashimaru test was to prove (through Kirk) that there was no such thing as a no-win scenario.

By ultimate I mean in the sense of the story arc. I realize that Starfleet put it together to prepare officers for failure in the field.
Lol. Fact checkers are working tonight and we're all the better for it. I'd say Kirk undoubtedly cheated which would directly conflict with a Christian's use of the technique. But wait, what about Jacob and his inheritance? There may be a loop hole there. We'll need lawyers, lot's of lawyers....
 

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jsr1221; said:
I've met people that curse repeatedly but at the same time acknowledge they are a mess and how they need Jesus. The saying "actions speak louder than words" tends to be true. Hillary's actions have gotten people killed. Can we say the same about Trump's words?

More people died in foreign embassies when Bush was in office but it was not considered a big deal.


As for Trump's words, consider this:



 

Desdichado

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Lol. Fact checkers are working tonight and we're all the better for it. I'd say Kirk undoubtedly cheated which would directly conflict with a Christian's use of the technique. But wait, what about Jacob and his inheritance? There may be a loop hole there. We'll need lawyers, lot's of lawyers....
Did he cheat the Kobeashimaru? And if he did, is it a sin to cheat death? :p

There's definitely a loophole there. You and I have an uphill battle. :p
 
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Did he cheat the Kobeashimaru? And if he did, is it a sin to cheat death? :p

There's definitely a loophole there. You and I have an uphill battle. :p
Yeah, I think he hacked the AI which was a simulation. That means it was only virtual life and death, still he achieved the presidency...errr... command admiral of the enterprise. Our platform needs work but with the right tail wagging dog? It just might work.
 

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another thing to consider for November 8:


A Judge Just Declared Trump’s New Hotel BANKRUPT













Yet another one of the obnoxiously ostentatious monuments to Trump’s ego is going under. The Trump International Hotel in Toronto is filing for bankruptcy, a mere four years after it opened.
The champagne and caviar toned tower will be auctioned off after a Canadian bankruptcy judge placed the building into receivership on Tuesday.
In a story that is now very familiar to all of us, the $310 million project was beset with lawsuits from the start from angry investors who claim that Trump and his partners lied to them with “wildly overstated projections of Trump Toronto’s performance,” telling investors the “worst case” scenario for occupancy rates would be 55%, when in fact court documents show it varied between 15% and 45%. POLITICO details just how hard Trump screwed his investors:

It is clear from affidavits in the fraud cases and the bankruptcy case that the buyers have taken a financial beating. A warehouse supervisor named Sarbjit Singh, who was earning about $55,000 a year, testified that he borrowed money from his father, a retired welder, for the deposit on his hotel unit; he never closed on the deal, but he says he still lost $248,000. Se Na Lee, a homemaker who was married to a mortgage underwriter, borrowed money for her deposit from her parents; she did close, and ended up losing $990,000 through December 2014, she says.
Trump licensed his name for the project to Talon International, owned by a Russian-born oligarch, Alexander Shnaider. “The whole business model has been overpromise and underdeliver, and it’s Trump’s name on the thing” said an insider to POLITICO.
The hotel has been the site of numerous protests against the racist rabble-rouser, and a city Councillor of Toronto has publicly demanded the Trump name be removed from the building, saying in a statement to the project managers that:
There are some who may suggest that Canadians should just ignore Mr. Trump, or that he doesn’t matter because he is a political figure in another country.
However, recent attacks against Muslims in Toronto, and other Canadian cities, show that we are not immune to hateful actions against peaceful people. As well, the Canadian government’s similar internment of Japanese-Canadians is a part of our past that is still very painful for many.
To have the Trump name displayed so prominently on our skyline signals a tacit acceptance of hateful and divisive views.
Such is the legacy of Donald Trump, disgraced businessman and divisive race-baiting sexual predator: angry citizens, angry investors, bankruptcy, and a prominent stain where the letters of his name once stood.




A Judge Just Declared Trump's New Hotel BANKRUPT
 

RickyZ

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Did he cheat the Kobeashimaru? And if he did, is it a sin to cheat death? :p

There's definitely a loophole there. You and I have an uphill battle. :p
It depends... was there an actual Starfleet rule that specifically said one could not alter the test parameters? If no, then no. A loophole, fer shure, but that's what them lawyers work on :)
 
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It depends... was there an actual Starfleet rule that specifically said one could not alter the test parameters? If no, then no. A loophole, fer shure, but that's what them lawyers work on :)
Battlestar Galactica seems like a better platform model to me. Adama is aces, Saul may have to go...I like the idea of a non-networked, virus free administration.
 

Desdichado

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It depends... was there an actual Starfleet rule that specifically said one could not alter the test parameters? If no, then no. A loophole, fer shure, but that's what them lawyers work on :)
The only JAG I remember from Star Trek is Captain Louvois. She would be the one to consult, but I'm not sure she would rule in Kirk's favor.

To the best of my knowledge, there was no written rule on the testing parameters of Kobeashimaru. Good point.
 

Desdichado

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Battlestar Galactica seems like a better platform model to me. Adama is aces, Saul may have to go...I like the idea of a non-networked, virus free administration.
The chicks were way better looking on the Galactica too.

So Say We All!
 

Desdichado

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I've always said Adama is my favorite Star Trek Captain who never ended up on Star Trek.

He's kind of like Ben Franklin that way.
 
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CharlieGrown

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I've always said Adama is my favorite Star Trek Captain who never ended up on Star Trek.

He's kind of like Ben Franklin that way.
Simply the best, like a father figure who will pop a laser in the toasters and merrily FTL jump to the next orbit and never spill his drink.