Obama's Twitter Calls Crushing Of 20-week Unborn Babies Heads "Special"

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Elizabeth619

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And yes. A baby can leap or jump in the womb. It's called movement. My son did it when I was pregnant. It wasn't just kicking. It's actually kind of painful at times. The bible doesn't say the baby was doing jumping jacks and aerobic exercises. All it says is "leap". .
Also movement can be felt by the mother BEFORE 20 weeks. This i know for a fact and have experienced. Yet some say that isn't life.....
 

Nautilus

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leap...let me see a baby leap, since we are all going to take this verse literally. Find me an infant who can leap.
 

zone

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crushing the heads of 20 month unborn babies...

but then the other side is why are old white men deciding a woman's right to her body based on religious texts? Im not against christianity but it disgusts when people try to force people who dont even believe it to live by it.
ya.....we need more like that abortionist who was snipping the spinal cords of live birth babies and tossing them into buckets.
house of horrors they called it.

they made a big fuss about it....because somebody secretly taped it and he got caught.

they're all the same.

the fact that you even come near the fence on this makes me sick Nautilus.
just plain creepy.
 

zone

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I've never been a big subscriber of the life at conception argument, and I'm sure someone will quote Bible verses at me about how God formed us and such,, that may be but not a single one of those is convincing enough for life at conception for me.
i guess Jesus wasn't a real person until....what....28 weeks?
ugh.
 
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The fact that the president's own Twitter feed is flaunting infanticide, just wow...just wow.
 

Nautilus

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ya.....we need more like that abortionist who was snipping the spinal cords of live birth babies and tossing them into buckets.
house of horrors they called it.

they made a big fuss about it....because somebody secretly taped it and he got caught.

they're all the same.

the fact that you even come near the fence on this makes me sick Nautilus.
just plain creepy.
20 weeks is nowhere near live birth...
 

zone

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The fact that the president's own Twitter feed is flaunting infanticide, just wow...just wow.
they're all for it still.

and now they want to be able to kill children up to the age of 3.

that's NEXT on the docket.

Why Did the Journal Publish an Article Defending Infanticide?
I am personally opposed to the legalisation ofinfanticide. However, as the Editor of
the Journal I would like to explain why the Journal would publish an article defending
infanticide.
The ethical discussion of infanticide dates back several thousand years. At least 100
articles have been published on infanticide in the Journal over its history, with articles
both for and many against it. Some of the world’s most famous living philosophers
have written about its merits and justification over the last 40 years, including
Michael Tooley,[1]Jonathan Glover,[2] Peter Singer,[3] [4] Jeff McMahan,[5,6] and
John Harris,[7]some in this Journal. McMahan argues that the permissibility of
infanticide is not only implied by certain theories, but by beliefs that are widely held
and difficult to reject [5].
Infanticide is currently legal in the Netherlands. The “Groningen Protocol” allows
doctors to kill neonates at the request of their parents if they are experiencing
unbearable suffering.
The active withdrawal of medical care (an intentional act that kills) is a standard part
of care of newborns with severe disability and suffering in the UK, US, rest of Europe
and nearly all of the world. This is sometimes called passive euthanasia.1
Over the last 40 years, there has been an active debate on the ethics of killing or
allowing severely ill or disabled newborns to die. Jonathan Glover’s landmark
Causing Death and Saving Lives notes that “Dr Francis Crick [the Nobel Laureate
who discovered DNA with Jim Watson in 1956] once proposed a two-day period for
detecting abnormalities, after which infanticide would not be permissible” [2] (p.168).
In the case of abortion, termination of pregnancy is permissible in most countries not
only for severe disability but also for reasons of maternal welfare (or other reasons).
Giubilini and Minerva extend the long running debate on infanticide to ask: if
abortion is permissible both for social as well as medical reasons, why is infanticide
permissible only for medical reasons? They ask: what is the moral difference between
a fetus and a neonate? They point out that both have similar capacities and if one is
permissible, why not the other?

http://jme.bmj.com/content/suppl/20...00411.DC2/Savulescu_JME_defence_editorial.pdf

moral relativity.
if abortion is okay, why isn't infanticide.
and of course they are right.

one is a baby no one has laid eyes on yet, the other is out of the womb. only difference.
these people are psychopaths....is this news to us?

that's where we're going.
killing children is next, paralleling the decriminalization of pedophilia.

we're staring down the barrel of it right now.
 

Mo0448

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It isn't about Christianity though Nautilus. I know many women who are not Christians and many others who are atheists and believe that people need to be held responsible for their decision making. Not even rape is justifiable cause for an abortion. Because the blessing that comes from the life will be more than enough to erase the pain of How it happened. Furthermore, terminating the pregnancy won't take the pain of the traumatic event away, in fact it will only add on to it. People are just looking for reasons to justify "quick fixes" and not being held responsible for circumstances and difficulties in their lives. Play the hand you are dealt...they're demanding another hand when they decided to play the game! While I understand in rape and incest cases it is quite different they were 'forced' to play the game, it does not mean that ending the life is going to wipe the horrors clean. Whether you're Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist. Abortion isn't about a biblical aspect (although bible does stand against it). It's about being an upstanding responsible adult learning to deal cope and be held accountable. Accountability no one cares for that anymore these days, and its what's making our society sink into a pit of self centered, selfish lazy individuals.
 

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PSYCHOPATH PETER SINGER

Abortion and infanticide

Suffering is, of course, more than just the experience of pain. It has to do with self-conscious awareness of suffering, involving the memory of past freedom from suffering, understanding the causes of suffering, and anticipating the future implications and possible options. An unborn child cannot suffer in this way – and, of course, cannot be said to have personal preferences, whether or not they could ever be expressed. If other people have preferences that the unborn child should not survive, and assuming the procedure can be done painlessly, there remains no moral barrier to terminating the pregnancy. So in his view:

Those who regard the interests of women as overriding the merely potential interests of the foetus are taking their stand on a morally impregnable position.[8]

Furthermore, the situation is essentially unchanged for the newborn child, who does not understand what life is about and therefore can have no preference in the matter. If no one else has a preference that the child should live, infanticide within the first month of life can be morally justified. Here Singer introduces his ethic of replaceability. A child may not be wanted for various reasons, such as timing, gender or congenital disease. The decision-making process can be profoundly influenced if the death of an unwanted child subsequently allows the parents the freedom to have a wanted child who would replace it. Such ethics have not endeared him to the disabled community in general. They fear that his views support discrimination against them. Neither have they gone down well in Germany with its painful memories of the eugenics movement for genetic purity.

bethinking.org - Right + Wrong - Life after God? - The Ethics of Peter Singer
 

zone

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Second 'house of horrors' abortion clinic where doctor 'twisted heads off fetus' necks with his bare hands' is investigated in Texas

Houston doctor Douglas Karpen is accused by four former employees of delivering live babies during third-trimester abortions and killing them
Witnesses said he would either snip their spinal cords, stab a surgical instrument into their heads or twist their heads off with his hands
Texas Department of State Health Services is using in its investigating of the doctor
Accusations come days after Dr Kermit Gosnells was found guilty of murdering newborns at his Philadelphia abortion clinic

Douglas Karpen: Second 'house of horrors' abortion clinic is investigated in Texas | Mail Online


THIS IS THE REALITY AND IT ALWAYS WAS.

what did we think they did?

EVERY SINGLE ABORTIONIST DOES THIS.

55,000,000 +

they act all outraged.
but this is not illegal!

we saw crowds cheering and hugging today - not only for the sodomite agenda, but for this pyschopathic slaughter.


surely GOD WILL BE COMING SOON.
 
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jimmydiggs

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crushing the heads of 20 month unborn babies...

but then the other side is why are old white men deciding a woman's right to her body based on religious texts? Im not against christianity but it disgusts when people try to force people who dont even believe it to live by it.
You must not read scripture much. God still judges those who "don't even believe it to live by it."
 
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jimmydiggs

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i guess Jesus wasn't a real person until....what....28 weeks?
ugh.
Wrong poster. You're talking to Nautlus. Unless he's changed, it's only when they breath outside the womb.
 
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Disgusting! I cannot believe this guy says he is for women's rights when the worst thing that could happen to a woman is killing her baby. Most women who end up having an abortion regret it later, but these activists don't mention that.
 

Nautilus

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it moved once...guess it could have been a leap. Doesnt really change my stance on the issue though
 

Elizabeth619

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it moved once...guess it could have been a leap. Doesnt really change my stance on the issue though
Yet you discredit God by how you talk. ITS GOD! If he wanted the fetus of John the Baptist to leap out of Elizabeth's womb and do the hokey pokey and leap back in he could make that happen.

I actually dont even remember why we are arguing this..............
 

Nautilus

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Well I dont know Elizabeth...according to Stephen63 God has plans for all those babies that end upgetting aborted and we somehow screw them up...yet when someone dies later on that death was God's plan? Some of the logic being used isn't logical? All I'm saying is you can't have it both ways. Because it cant be ruining God's plan for a child if its mother gets an abortion, but part of God's plan that someone gets murdered during a robbery. Especially considering the omniscience of God, then it doesnt make sense for both of these to be true.
 
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Mo0448

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if God has a plan for someone Nautilus that doesn't mean that person follows the plan God has for them. I.E if God had a plan set up for me to be a missionary in africa and bring many to him and I ignored it and never went through with it well while God has a plan for me I ended up doing my own thing and NOT follow his plan? Does God have plans for all of us for anyone? OF course He does...do we follow his plan for us? I'm going to speak for myself and say not nearly as much as I should...so I agree with stephen if God had a plan for a child and the parent decides to not give that child a chance to live well God's plan for that child won't come to fruition but that does not mean he never had a plan for them. Does that make sense?
 

Elizabeth619

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It originally wasn't Gods plan for anyone to die, but sin entered the world in the Garden of Eden, and the wages of sin is death.

The question is when is it ever morally ok for anyone to willfully take an innocent life. You don't believe life begins at conception, and many others disagree with this. There is evidence to prove both cases, but for many Christians they look toward the scriptures for this answer. Scripture does not plainly speak on the abortion issue, but gives enough insight to point to life inside the womb.
Keep in mind the type of forum you are on, and chances are are large number of people here will support the pro-life view. Yet this is an ongoing argument with you, and we know each others views but I am not going to get in a knock down drag out fight with you on it. It isn't worth two decent people(YES EVERYONE I DO THINK NAUT IS A DECENT GUY DESPITE SOME OF HIS VIEWS)getting overheated. I no longer have the energy to do that.