Out of curiosity... from Australia :)

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Angela53510

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I would say your news is lying to you. I've never known anyone to die of a heart attack who was using Plaquenil in a situation much like a prophylactic experiment. None of us who are autoimmune and in Plaquenil have COVID-19. No one is dying from the medication. I am certain all these claims of heart disease are greatly exaggerated. I'm an old lady taking it, and I have had no reactions or side effects. Of the 900 people in my RA group, representing thousands of years of being on the drug, I've heard of only one case of vision damage, and not a single case of heart issues.

Further, you need to understand how it was discovered that Hydroxychloroquine was useful as a prophylactic. It was in China when the epidemic first started and moved quickly. All kinds of people were being hit by the virus. But doctors realized no one with lupus had gotten sick. They did some studies and every one of the people who had lupus were fine on Plaquenil. Other studies showed the same. I heard about this months ago. It was a big worry for the RA community, because it would mean less Plaquenil available for our diseases. In fact, I just read in my group today, that people in Quebec are being refused filling their prescriptions. We are fine, and I have a lot of it, but B.C. has few cases compared to Quebec. And Quebec's COVID-19 infection rate, along with Ontario is increasing rapidly. So, they could be saving it for using it.

At any rate, I know you are a strong Democrat, I have no oar in this game. I will not be voting for the next president. That makes me a bit more objective. You can hate Trump all you want, but his science is not wrong. If you don't like the way he talks, that's your right. But what he is saying about Plaquenil is true. Plaquenil does cure people, and it works prophylactically AND it is not dangerous.

And no amount of politics can change those facts!
 
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He's obviously not an amazing Christian example, but I'd like to argue that he is not nearly as horrible as he is painted out to be. A lot of the things he has done have actually helped the country. I think many people took his win in the 2016 election too personally, so his every move is nitpicked or misconstrued. I'm not saying he's an amazing person, but I definitley think he has managed to do some good with what he has been given.
 
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He's obviously not an amazing Christian example, but I'd like to argue that he is not nearly as horrible as he is painted out to be. A lot of the things he has done have actually helped the country. I think many people took his win in the 2016 election too personally, so his every move is nitpicked or misconstrued. I'm not saying he's an amazing person, but I definitley think he has managed to do some good with what he has been given.
He doesn't have to be an amazing Christian example, he just has to do his job for we the Christians.
 

tanakh

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Im in the UK Here people are divided over Trump. Our News broadcasts are mainly concerned with the Pandemic. Before that leaving the EU was the main topic dividing the Country. To find out whats going on in the rest of the world I tune in to English speaking foreign
news stations including CNN and Fox which provide American coverage. I know Australia is some distance away but you must have Sky there I would think. We know about your Bush Fires and the Corona situation here. The same goes for news in New Zealand which is even further away from us.
 

bojack

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I find South to be more interesting :LOL:
They call us the bible belt in the South and I love SC and the South .. There's minimal racism here compared to the rest of the country despite the stereotype imo .. We pull together , play together, and worship together, there is still some culture difference such as music taste .. I can't stand filthy rap music , Mexican music with that stupid never changing bass thumping through the wall 24 hrs a day when our mexican friends have a party , ( we are good neighbors ''smiles and waves, no hablar espaniol'' with all at our NC beach home and last party the Mexican lady brought us a plate and my wife a gift) (we have give their daughter treats before) and I can't stand today's country music .. And per capita nobody beats us at football starting in jr high school .. At our house in SC my neighbor down the road about 1/4 mile caught a man throwing trash out in front of my house and told him to get out and pick it up at gunpoint about 3yrs ago , my closest neighbor Ron is constantly offering to help do stuff .. I just love the South and feel at home .. We got our crazies too though .. Here's a funny story .. Some guy lost a car he was towing off the dolly so I went out to help him , I started getting jacks and tools then my neighbor Boney pulled over and started helping and he said wait a minute and we went got his 'real jack ' after we got the car back ready to tow for the guy my neighbor said I really didn't have time but since it was your friend I had to help .. I said I didn't know that guy from Adam's housecat ,I was just helping him, we just laughed .. And I've told my neighbors where the key was to my old ford truck was and never hesitate to use it if they need it , it's old and treat it like it's yours is all ..
 

Robertt

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I am amazed at how CNN are telling me that this drug I deadly and proven to be deadly, yet A study had just started at Oxford university to examine it. Are these people not listening to CNN, don't they know it has alrewad been proven to be a failure and killing people. They going to give this dangerous drug to people ??

Hydroxichloride tests
 

JesusLives

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I would say your news is lying to you. I've never known anyone to die of a heart attack who was using Plaquenil in a situation much like a prophylactic experiment. None of us who are autoimmune and in Plaquenil have COVID-19. No one is dying from the medication. I am certain all these claims of heart disease are greatly exaggerated. I'm an old lady taking it, and I have had no reactions or side effects. Of the 900 people in my RA group, representing thousands of years of being on the drug, I've heard of only one case of vision damage, and not a single case of heart issues.

Further, you need to understand how it was discovered that Hydroxychloroquine was useful as a prophylactic. It was in China when the epidemic first started and moved quickly. All kinds of people were being hit by the virus. But doctors realized no one with lupus had gotten sick. They did some studies and every one of the people who had lupus were fine on Plaquenil. Other studies showed the same. I heard about this months ago. It was a big worry for the RA community, because it would mean less Plaquenil available for our diseases. In fact, I just read in my group today, that people in Quebec are being refused filling their prescriptions. We are fine, and I have a lot of it, but B.C. has few cases compared to Quebec. And Quebec's COVID-19 infection rate, along with Ontario is increasing rapidly. So, they could be saving it for using it.

At any rate, I know you are a strong Democrat, I have no oar in this game. I will not be voting for the next president. That makes me a bit more objective. You can hate Trump all you want, but his science is not wrong. If you don't like the way he talks, that's your right. But what he is saying about Plaquenil is true. Plaquenil does cure people, and it works prophylactically AND it is not dangerous.

And no amount of politics can change those facts!
It was another form of Hydroxychloroquine and it did kill more than one person over here by heart attack. It was not called Plaquenil. Again the people who died were not under a doctor's care they just decided to do it on their own with bad as in deadly results. We are talking apples and oranges. We are both right in talking about our situations it isn't the same medicine we are talking about but two different forms of that med. So if Trump is taking your pill then hoorah for him.
 

Robertt

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It was another form of Hydroxychloroquine and it did kill more than one person over here by heart attack. It was not called Plaquenil. Again the people who died were not under a doctor's care they just decided to do it on their own with bad as in deadly results. We are talking apples and oranges. We are both right in talking about our situations it isn't the same medicine we are talking about but two different forms of that med. So if Trump is taking your pill then hoorah for him.
how do people get the drug without a doctors approval
 

Robertt

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ojh just google Plaquenil, is the same Hydroxychloroquine..

Is there info I am missing saying it is different
 

JesusLives

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I would say your news is lying to you. I've never known anyone to die of a heart attack who was using Plaquenil in a situation much like a prophylactic experiment. None of us who are autoimmune and in Plaquenil have COVID-19. No one is dying from the medication. I am certain all these claims of heart disease are greatly exaggerated. I'm an old lady taking it, and I have had no reactions or side effects. Of the 900 people in my RA group, representing thousands of years of being on the drug, I've heard of only one case of vision damage, and not a single case of heart issues.

Further, you need to understand how it was discovered that Hydroxychloroquine was useful as a prophylactic. It was in China when the epidemic first started and moved quickly. All kinds of people were being hit by the virus. But doctors realized no one with lupus had gotten sick. They did some studies and every one of the people who had lupus were fine on Plaquenil. Other studies showed the same. I heard about this months ago. It was a big worry for the RA community, because it would mean less Plaquenil available for our diseases. In fact, I just read in my group today, that people in Quebec are being refused filling their prescriptions. We are fine, and I have a lot of it, but B.C. has few cases compared to Quebec. And Quebec's COVID-19 infection rate, along with Ontario is increasing rapidly. So, they could be saving it for using it.

At any rate, I know you are a strong Democrat, I have no oar in this game. I will not be voting for the next president. That makes me a bit more objective. You can hate Trump all you want, but his science is not wrong. If you don't like the way he talks, that's your right. But what he is saying about Plaquenil is true. Plaquenil does cure people, and it works prophylactically AND it is not dangerous.

And no amount of politics can change those facts!
Actually my true leanings are Independent but they won't let me vote in the primaries as one. So for many years I was a Republican until Bush Jr came along and turned me to the other party. So no I wouldn't say I'm a strong Democrat. By the way I am married to a Republican and most of his side of the family are the same. Most of my positions are Moderate not leaning way right or left.

I get lumped into the group of Trump haters, Snowflakes, unpatriotic because I am a registered Democrat, unchristian for the same reason. I am so glad that everyone knows what I am without really knowing me.... I try not to call people names, I try to be fair, I try to listen to the other side when they won't give me the same courtesy. But then one far greater than Trump came along many years ago and said if they strike you on one check turn the other if they ask you to walk a mile, walk two. Pray for your enemies, do good to those who curse and abuse you.... It's a tall order to fill and I fail... but I do keep trying.
 

JesusLives

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how do people get the drug without a doctors approval
Through mail order and usually from other countries, I don't do this myself but I know it happens.
 

tanakh

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I wouldnt buy so much as an aspirin on line. If anyone else wants to play Russian Roulette with their health its up to them.
 

Robertt

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Through mail order and usually from other countries, I don't do this myself but I know it happens.
ok only in America , lol it illegal to that in Australia, so only criminals do it so don't care about them
 

oldethennew

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Actually my true leanings are Independent but they won't let me vote in the primaries as one. So for many years I was a Republican until Bush Jr came along and turned me to the other party. So no I wouldn't say I'm a strong Democrat. By the way I am married to a Republican and most of his side of the family are the same. Most of my positions are Moderate not leaning way right or left.

I get lumped into the group of Trump haters, Snowflakes, unpatriotic because I am a registered Democrat, unchristian for the same reason. I am so glad that everyone knows what I am without really knowing me.... I try not to call people names, I try to be fair, I try to listen to the other side when they won't give me the same courtesy. But then one far greater than Trump came along many years ago and said if they strike you on one check turn the other if they ask you to walk a mile, walk two. Pray for your enemies, do good to those who curse and abuse you.... It's a tall order to fill and I fail... but I do keep trying.
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one of Yeshua's really TALL ORDERS is;
PRO. 4:27.
Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove your foot from evil.
ISA. 30:21.
And your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying,
This is the way, walk you in it, when you turn to the right hand, and when you turn to the left.
11TI. 2:4.
No man that warrs entangles himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please Him
who has chosen him to be a soldier.
 
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He doesn't have to be an amazing Christian example, he just has to do his job for we the Christians.
that is true! I am just making sure to thouroughly explain my position as to not have anything I say shown in a different light than for what it is.
 
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Trump is a good man,with faults like the rest of us. He is attacked more than any president I've ever seen,and it's a shame,because so much more can be accomplished when egos get pushed to the background. Jesus said,"A house divided against itself cannot stand" Trump mentions God,in a respectful manner, more than any president I recall,and I personally believe that it drives the liberals crazy,because they want to go for abortion,homosexuality,etc. People who choose to walk in darkness don't like it when God is mentioned,since the mention of Him and His beloved Son causes them to be uncomfortable in thoughts of their deeds. My opinion anyway