Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival
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M
I don't have to go to some site to tell me what the bible clearly says...lets read it again?
Ac 17:30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."
The idea that Paul was not bold towards people or did not offend people is just contrary to the evident truth of scripture...These guys did nothing wrong and for Christians to even suggest that they deserved to be attacked is really a sad thing to see.
Ac 17:30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."
The idea that Paul was not bold towards people or did not offend people is just contrary to the evident truth of scripture...These guys did nothing wrong and for Christians to even suggest that they deserved to be attacked is really a sad thing to see.
M
Well the truth does cause trouble and hurts peoples ego and pride...and someone called by God will often be sent into trouble.
Ac 20:18 And when they had come to him, he said to them: "You know, from the first day that I came to Asia, in what manner I always lived among you,
19 "serving the Lord with all humility, with many tears and trials which happened to me by the plotting of the Jews;
20 "how I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house,
21 "testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
22 "And see, now I go bound in the spirit to Jerusalem, not knowing the things that will happen to me there,
23 "except that the Holy Spirit testifies in every city, saying that chains and tribulations await me.
24 "But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
Ac 20:18 And when they had come to him, he said to them: "You know, from the first day that I came to Asia, in what manner I always lived among you,
19 "serving the Lord with all humility, with many tears and trials which happened to me by the plotting of the Jews;
20 "how I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house,
21 "testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
22 "And see, now I go bound in the spirit to Jerusalem, not knowing the things that will happen to me there,
23 "except that the Holy Spirit testifies in every city, saying that chains and tribulations await me.
24 "But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
V
I didn't "go to some site" to know how it reads, I can read exactly what Paul said, and know, as "gotquestions" said and as I said earlier, what the passage clearly teaches. And with that, I'm done. God bless.
(At least I know that with you, unlike another person I closed the discussion with yesterday, I won't have to return to a post questioning my faith, my integrity, or my commitment to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. When people start taking it that seriously, they need to back off.)
(At least I know that with you, unlike another person I closed the discussion with yesterday, I won't have to return to a post questioning my faith, my integrity, or my commitment to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. When people start taking it that seriously, they need to back off.)
B
Mitspa, If you were in a deep hole,would you need anyone to tell you that you are in one?? LOL Before Jesus came into my life, I heard from all the scribes about how terrible I was,and how they looked to bring guilt upon my situation,so please join me in a little reality check for a moment won't you? ( luke 10:30-37!!!!)
Now let me explain this is common day. I am walking without Jesus,I am presently in a fallen state of both mind and body,I already feel as if i had been beaten by the world as it is( verse 30) verse 31,a priest,or shall we say a person who says they believe in Jesus comes by me,he holds up a sign telling me how terrible i am, it says repent,he does not offer me one word of how to escape except that I need a man called Jesus,who he says loves me.
That is all he says or does!No john 13:34-35 whatsoever. You call this correct? He has a pal with him verse 32 who does, and says the same thing. verse 33 me!! I first come just like Jesus did me,( psalm 40:2-4!!!!) I look to comfort the person by saying I want you to know something,Jesus loves you just as you are,and like me,Jesus is looking to become your friend,a very present help in the days of all our troubles!
No guilt,no telling this person what he or she already knows,but rather presenting an escape for the man or woman.Bring him out of the pit,and he or she will listen to you,tell them where they already are and you are like the neighbor next door,who will be hated!( proverbs 25:17)
What value does anyone have who talks only?( james 1:22) First draw them out of the pit,so there feet are firm to hear your words! Some will never understand this! But for those of us who fully understand John 13:34-35 our life is our example of God's goodness!!!( psalm 27:13) And not just what a servant of the Most High God is!!!! BUT!!! STAYING HIS SERVANT!!!! Perhaps the light blub will come on better now. LOL However I am a realist as well!!( matt 13:14-17!!) Blessing all!
Now let me explain this is common day. I am walking without Jesus,I am presently in a fallen state of both mind and body,I already feel as if i had been beaten by the world as it is( verse 30) verse 31,a priest,or shall we say a person who says they believe in Jesus comes by me,he holds up a sign telling me how terrible i am, it says repent,he does not offer me one word of how to escape except that I need a man called Jesus,who he says loves me.
That is all he says or does!No john 13:34-35 whatsoever. You call this correct? He has a pal with him verse 32 who does, and says the same thing. verse 33 me!! I first come just like Jesus did me,( psalm 40:2-4!!!!) I look to comfort the person by saying I want you to know something,Jesus loves you just as you are,and like me,Jesus is looking to become your friend,a very present help in the days of all our troubles!
No guilt,no telling this person what he or she already knows,but rather presenting an escape for the man or woman.Bring him out of the pit,and he or she will listen to you,tell them where they already are and you are like the neighbor next door,who will be hated!( proverbs 25:17)
What value does anyone have who talks only?( james 1:22) First draw them out of the pit,so there feet are firm to hear your words! Some will never understand this! But for those of us who fully understand John 13:34-35 our life is our example of God's goodness!!!( psalm 27:13) And not just what a servant of the Most High God is!!!! BUT!!! STAYING HIS SERVANT!!!! Perhaps the light blub will come on better now. LOL However I am a realist as well!!( matt 13:14-17!!) Blessing all!
Mitspa..on your last point, I will have to totally agree with you there, brother! Those early Apostles and their converts to CHRISTIANITY were extremely BOLD and never worried over being politically correct. JESUS made a whip, chased those moneychangers out of the temple grounds, turning over their tables, scattering their merchandise and setting the animals free. He did not speak to them in a sweet soft tone! HE snapped that whip, scourged them with it and His tongue! Can you imagine those sellers telling their stories to their family and friends afterwards? "That madman they call JESUS..did you see what HE did to my products? HE needs to pay..I have already reported HIM to the temple authorities! He needs to Hang!!!!"
Gone are the days of fiery sermons, 'hell fire and brimstone" deliverances and Altar calls before the designated time alloted for it in the order of service printed in the bulletin, if they have altar calls at all. Us Christians love our padded pews, electronic technology, and services made to order to suit all tastes. We do not feel comfortable if the sermons are too long or seem to be aimed at us to repent. "We don't need to repent...we're already on the church role, heck..I help at all the church functions. Those street thugs down the road..they need to repent, indeed! If they do repent, then they do not need to come here and think they can sit on our pews. Their reputation preceeds them..who needs them?"
Gone are the days of fiery sermons, 'hell fire and brimstone" deliverances and Altar calls before the designated time alloted for it in the order of service printed in the bulletin, if they have altar calls at all. Us Christians love our padded pews, electronic technology, and services made to order to suit all tastes. We do not feel comfortable if the sermons are too long or seem to be aimed at us to repent. "We don't need to repent...we're already on the church role, heck..I help at all the church functions. Those street thugs down the road..they need to repent, indeed! If they do repent, then they do not need to come here and think they can sit on our pews. Their reputation preceeds them..who needs them?"
M
Brighthouse...I am not without compassion for folks bound in sin...been there myself...But knowing I was a sinner caused me to reach out for the Savior. What is going on now in our society is that the sin of homosexuality is being approved and promoted as a moral thing with no need for Jesus to forgive anything and no need to turn away from what will clearly send these folks into damnation...(if you believe the bible) you must see some need to bring the truth into our society?
M
Like I said and the bible makes pretty clear...sometimes when people are so deceived and so determined to be deceived and has a whole society and even the so-called church helping them to live in deception...You must bring the fear of Gods judgment to the conscience of those who will not hear about the grace of God... They don't think they need the grace of God so you must preach fear.
V
Last word I have:
Jesus is quoted as actually using the word metanoeo (metanoeo) which is translated "repent," five times. He is said to advice men to repent one other time, without quoting Him. John the Baptist is quoted as using it twice. Including those, it is only used in the synoptic gospels a total of 16 times.
John never uses it.
Luke uses the word five times in Acts.
Paul only uses the word once, out of all 13 of his epistles. It doesn't appear again until the Revelation, where it appears 10 times.
On the other hand, didasko (didasko), "teach" or "teaching," is used 58 times in all four gospels alone, almost always regarding Jesus' ministry. Clearly, we are to teach the Gospel, teach about what repentance means, not merely go around shouting "Repent!" Teaching requires relationship, study, commitment, love.
Shouting requires nothing more than a loud mouth. See how many people convert using that approach.
Done here. Happy 4th. See ya Monday.
Jesus is quoted as actually using the word metanoeo (metanoeo) which is translated "repent," five times. He is said to advice men to repent one other time, without quoting Him. John the Baptist is quoted as using it twice. Including those, it is only used in the synoptic gospels a total of 16 times.
John never uses it.
Luke uses the word five times in Acts.
Paul only uses the word once, out of all 13 of his epistles. It doesn't appear again until the Revelation, where it appears 10 times.
On the other hand, didasko (didasko), "teach" or "teaching," is used 58 times in all four gospels alone, almost always regarding Jesus' ministry. Clearly, we are to teach the Gospel, teach about what repentance means, not merely go around shouting "Repent!" Teaching requires relationship, study, commitment, love.
Shouting requires nothing more than a loud mouth. See how many people convert using that approach.
Done here. Happy 4th. See ya Monday.
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K
Yes the gentle hand approach does work in some cases, but that approach can not be applied all the time as some need more strict of an approach. We can not handle all sin situations the same as individuals accept correcting in different ways, and some will just flat out refuse that correctness. Even Jesus and Paul showed the tough love approach and even shunning of the person has to take place.
M
My friend..have a good 4th and I didn't see any shouting on that video except by those who where attacking those guys who appear to have been holding a sign that said "Jesus saves sinners" ...these guys where not only doing nothing wrong but was completely right in my judgment and as citizens that deserve protected speech, should be upheld by all of us.