Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival

[Mitspa]

Yes the gentle hand approach does work in some cases, but that approach can not be applied all the time as some need more strict of an approach. We can not handle all sin situations the same as individuals accept correcting in different ways, and some will just flat out refuse that correctness. Even Jesus and Paul showed the tough love approach and even shunning of the person has to take place.

That's why God calls certain ministers that can be led by His Spirit and make a difference ...but I think its safe to say in the case of those who reject that homosexual sin, is sin ..that fear is what is needed...maybe not in every case of those living in this sin...but at some point they will have to admit this sin before Christ and ask Him to cleanse them of this unrighteousness.

 

[KennethC]

Here are times Paul used repent or repentance:

Romans 2:4, 2 Corinthians 7:9-10, 2 Timothy 2:25

 

[crossnote]

Repentance is simply the flip side of faith. So when you see "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved", incorporated in that is "turn to Jesus/turn away (repent) from all other so called Gods". You can't have one truly without the other, they are inseparable.
So in actuality whenever you see 'believe' or 'faith in' Jesus repentance is embedded.

And they answered, Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ [give yourself up to Him, take yourself out of your own keeping and entrust yourself into His keeping] and you will be saved, [and this applies both to] you and your household as well. (AMP)

 

[Brighthouse]

I just hope you understand Mitspa that the fear of the Lord is only the very beginning of wisdom!( psalms 111:10) When David spoke this he was under the law,this is law.( 2 kings 1:12) now watch the change over to Jesus bro!! Here as you see the disciples were being rejected by the samaritans even as the gays were rejecting these preachers,they asked the same as James and john did by there signs and attitude!( luke 9:54-56!!) Fear is under law,( 2 tim 1:7)grace is under Jesus bro.Hope you see the large differance in covenants. I sure do .With fear comes judgement,not only upon those who look to bring fear upon,but also upon them who promote fear as a means to salvation.The shadows ( heb 10:1) can never replace the grace and love of the light.Grace instructs!!!( titus 2:11-12) fear causes an increase of that sin!!( rom 5:20) hence why we now have a much better covenant!( heb 8:6-13)

 

[Dude653]

did they really think the repent or else approach was going to work though? That is completely unrealistic.
"Repent or else!"
" OK, we will repent immediately."
Uhhh....no

 

[crossnote]

did they really think the repent or else approach was going to work though? That is completely unrealistic.
"Repent or else!"
" OK, we will repent immediately."
Uhhh....no

Again, were you there? Did you see everything that went on? Were they as mature as you?
And so, even if they used a callous mean spirited approach, did you see on that video the preachers throwing punches? Screaming? Grabbing at others? No, but that's what I saw on the video happening to them by the paraders.
Keep attacking their style, whatever it was, at least they were out there and don't be surprised if someday you need the defense and support of your brothers and sisters but all you'll get is criticism.

 

[Dude653]

Realistically, when has the- or else -approach ever worked for you? Most people when you tell them to do anything or else, they are going to tell you to get lost because they feel like you are trying to intimidate them.

 

[crossnote]

Realistically, when has the- or else -approach ever worked for you? Most people when you tell them to do anything or else, they are going to tell you to get lost because they feel like you are trying to intimidate them.

I suppose 'repent' has an unloving connotation to it today, too bad.
If you were heading straight towards a washed out bridge in thick fog, and I yelled "TURN AROUND" wouldn't that be a mark of caring?
Repent, simply means turn from the direction you're going.

 

[Dude653]

Yes let me show you how much I love and care for your soul by yelling and waving signs at you.

 

[crossnote]

Yes let me show you how much I love and care for your soul by yelling and waving signs at you.

Or, let me show you how much I love and care for your soul by criticizing the one who is attempting to warn you that the path your on leads to destruction.

 

[Dude653]

Let me convert you to my belief system by being annoying and obnoxious.

 

[p_rehbein]

Let me convince you that I am a firm believer in tolerance for all peoples by beating the crap out of you

 

[Dude653]

You know how you get people to listen to what you have to say? ..you sit down and talk to them like a civilized human being.. Much like Jesus Christ did

 

[p_rehbein]

Not easy to do when they are screaming, cursing and physically attacking you..........but, shoot........why don't YOU travel on out there and the next gay pride event that takes place, go out and sit down with them and share the Gospel with them.

Lemme know how that works out for ya

 

[Dude653]

Not easy to do when they are screaming, cursing and physically attacking you..........but, shoot........why don't YOU travel on out there and the next gay pride event that takes place, go out and sit down with them and share the Gospel with them.

Lemme know how that works out for ya

It's all in how you approach people. If you approach people in an aggressive manner then they are more likely to be aggressive with you. I do not condone the violence but I do feel like it was provoked. I can almost guarantee that if you approach them with some degree of diplomacy you will get the same in return.

 

[p_rehbein]

It's all in how you approach people. If you approach people in an aggressive manner then they are more likely to be aggressive with you. I do not condone the violence but I do feel like it was provoked. I can almost guarantee that if you approach them with some degree of diplomacy you will get the same in return.

So, go give it a try.............what can it hurt? Or, should I say, who can it hurt?

 

[Willie-T]

It's a shame it went like that.
I never understood the use of signs though, why can't we go and talk to people, get to know them, understand them and be personable? Holding a huge sign like that is quite imposing, obnoxious and just trying to get people to believe on your own strength and through the flesh. I mean, Jesus never went around just holding signs up telling people repent or burn, He actually engaged with people.

You have spoken very true words here, Breno.

 

[Mitspa]

I just hope you understand Mitspa that the fear of the Lord is only the very beginning of wisdom!( psalms 111:10) When David spoke this he was under the law,this is law.( 2 kings 1:12) now watch the change over to Jesus bro!! Here as you see the disciples were being rejected by the samaritans even as the gays were rejecting these preachers,they asked the same as James and john did by there signs and attitude!( luke 9:54-56!!) Fear is under law,( 2 tim 1:7)grace is under Jesus bro.Hope you see the large differance in covenants. I sure do .With fear comes judgement,not only upon those who look to bring fear upon,but also upon them who promote fear as a means to salvation.The shadows ( heb 10:1) can never replace the grace and love of the light.Grace instructs!!!( titus 2:11-12) fear causes an increase of that sin!!( rom 5:20) hence why we now have a much better covenant!( heb 8:6-13)

My friend...I understand real grace...because I understand the sinner I was and the sin that is in my own flesh. But real grace overcomes real sin...and grace is only accepted by those who are honest enough to admit that sin is really sin.

 

[Willie-T]

When people are full of hate, going to talk to them, hugging and such and trying to get to know them on a personal level simply does not work. Jesus may not have had a "sign," but He SURELY told all He spoke to REPENT! And, He spoke far more about hell in His ministry than He did heaven.

We both know the Bible far too well to make that statement.

 

[Mitspa]

Realistically, when has the- or else -approach ever worked for you? Most people when you tell them to do anything or else, they are going to tell you to get lost because they feel like you are trying to intimidate them.

Dude..if it didn't work...the bible would not tell us "to save some by fear"
As a prison minister, I have always presented the love and goodness of God with the cold hard fact that to reject His goodness is to go to a place where there is no goodness. The Holy Spirit bearing witness to the truth and many coming to faith.