Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival

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secularhermit

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Have YOU read about this Todd wrote?:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...instead-of-issuing-gay-marriage-licenses.html

This is the type of Christians I´d like to befriend:

"Linda Barnette has issued marriage licenses in Grenada County, Mississippi for 24 years. On Tuesday, she resigned.
“I choose to obey God rather than man,” Mrs. Barnette wrote in her one paragraph resignation letter to the Grenada County Board of Supervisors."
 
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secularhermit said:
Have YOU read about this Todd wrote?:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...instead-of-issuing-gay-marriage-licenses.html

This is the type of Christians I´d like to befriend:

"Linda Barnette has issued marriage licenses in Grenada County, Mississippi for 24 years. On Tuesday, she resigned.
“I choose to obey God rather than man,” Mrs. Barnette wrote in her one paragraph resignation letter to the Grenada County Board of Supervisors."
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Makes the point without smacking someone with a sign or wrestling them to the ground. I like it. She could have stayed and made the same point by staying and refusing to personally issue licenses to gays, too, but she chose this way, and I'm 100% behind her.
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
Makes the point without smacking someone with a sign or wrestling them to the ground. I like it. She could have stayed and made the same point by staying and refusing to personally issue licenses to gays, too, but she chose this way, and I'm 100% behind her.
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Unfair comparison.
I watched that video closely and the worse the preachers did was hold on to their sign while the gays tried to wrestle it out of his hands, he never attempted to hit any with it.
Also the preachers never wrestled any to the ground, instead they were wrestled to the ground and punched.
The worse, one could possibly charge the preachers with is inciting a mob with a sign that read "Repent or Else". Free speech still exists today?
 
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crossnote said:
Unfair comparison.
I watched that video closely and the worse the preachers did was hold on to their sign while the gays tried to wrestle it out of his hands, he never attempted to hit any with it.
Also the preachers never wrestled any to the ground, instead they were wrestled to the ground and punched.
The worse, one could possibly charge the preachers with is inciting a mob with a sign that read "Repent or Else". Free speech still exists today?
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I didn't say they weren't free to say it. I question the wisdom of saying it, if you want to start a dialogue instead of a riot.

I'm sorry, Cross, but there is no way they could go to a "gay pride celebration" with that sign and not think there wouldn't be trouble. Maybe they were passively non-violent -- but they went there with an agenda, and it wasn't to "preach" anything. Or didn't you notice the convenient timing of the beginning of the cell phone video?

Taking a message like that to a crowd of that make up was little better than Westboro showing up at the same rally to protest. Note, I said "little better." Westboro doesn't care if they start a riot. Maybe this pair didn't actually think it would get that bad, but they should have. The Gospel is relational. That's no way to start a relationship.
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
Makes the point without smacking someone with a sign or wrestling them to the ground. I like it. She could have stayed and made the same point by staying and refusing to personally issue licenses to gays, too, but she chose this way, and I'm 100% behind her.
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Wow you are twisting what those preachers did worse than msnbc ever could get away with. Smacking them with the sign? Wrestling them to the ground? They got attacked! Once again, i like the way those preachers went out and told those people that Christ died for their sins and how they spread the gospel better than the way YOU dont.
 
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Wow you are twisting what those preachers did worse than msnbc ever could get away with. Smacking them with the sign? Wrestling them to the ground? They got attacked!
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OK, you're right, as Crossnote pointed out. It was hyperbole. I apologize. It wasn't necessary.

But as I said to him, going to a "gay pride celebration" -- in Seattle! (only slightly less gay than San Francisco) -- with that sign was begging for trouble, not asking to present the Gospel.

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Once again, i like the way those preachers went out and told those people that Christ died for their sins and how they spread the gospel better than the way YOU dont.
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You haven't a clue. You're brand new on here, and think you know me?? Take a hike, newbie. Learn something before you speak.

I'm outta here.
 
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I didn't say they weren't free to say it. I question the wisdom of saying it, if you want to start a dialogue instead of a riot.

I'm sorry, Cross, but there is no way they could go to a "gay pride celebration" with that sign and not think there wouldn't be trouble. Maybe they were passively non-violent -- but they went there with an agenda, and it wasn't to "preach" anything. Or didn't you notice the convenient timing of the beginning of the cell phone video?

Taking a message like that to a crowd of that make up was little better than Westboro showing up at the same rally to protest. Note, I said "little better." Westboro doesn't care if they start a riot. Maybe this pair didn't actually think it would get that bad, but they should have. The Gospel is relational. That's no way to start a relationship.
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Not denying their judgment was off, just trying to clear the air that there was no physical aggression on their part.
The cam phone guy desired to remain anonymous and so it's hard to tell what his motive was if he had one for recording as he did.
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
OK, you're right, as Crossnote pointed out. It was hyperbole. But as I said to him, going to a "gay pride celebration" -- in Seattle! (only slightly less gay than San Francisco) -- with that sign was begging for trouble, not asking to present the Gospel.

You haven't a clue. You're brand new on here, and think you know me?? Take a hike, newbie. Learn something before you speak.

I'm outta here.
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Hopefully you are "outta here" to be salt and light, not to continue twisting and lying (thats what you did, it wasn't just hyperbole) about what christians are doing to bring the gospel to the world.

lol only Hillary Clinton could say that lying about people who got attacked and didnt fight back hit people with signs and wrestled people to the ground with a straight face. Or am i wrong viligant?
 
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Not denying their judgment was off, just trying to clear the air that there was no physical aggression on their part.
The cam phone guy desired to remain anonymous and so it's hard to tell what his motive was if he had one for recording as he did.
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There are safer ways to do what they were doing but to attack them as some kind of unbiblical unchristian aggressors is ridiculous.
 
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ORly said:
There are safer ways to do what they were doing but to attack them as some kind of unbiblical unchristian aggressors is ridiculous.
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I don't think anyone here was attacking them, just some don't agree with their methods.
Don't attempt to pit me against VW, our conversation had no intentions of that.
 
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Those things are only rightly judged by the Lord Jesus. I don't see anywhere we are told to judge the lost or self-righteous -- only the wayward brother or siser, and not for condemnation but chastisement, which is always done in love.

And the "broken-to-be" who have to hear the Gospel to be broken, but they will not be anything but offended with a sign and a hurled three-word epithet that is supposed to pass for "short-hand truth" shouted right in their face.
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heya dropping in with a few cents. If you want to know how I feel about it, preachers are not what they should be, some of these very preachers, have anger issues that goes beyond the fruits of Love, I agree that John 3:17 { God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world,,, nor condemn it. So who's the one's at fault here. *We are told that we are called out of the world, so why are we poking our noses in somebodys back yards? If were not in the world, why then step back into it's problems, some bodys loud mouth preaching, or condemning will get them a few fists in the face, were told were a light set on *hill, we live the talk, no where does it say to condemn critises, and judge, it said the opposite, do not do these things. Yes we are given a free will, a decision we need to make on our own, not be condemned or force the will of another to do what someone thinks they should, even though it is the word of the Lord, but what happened to prayer, standing there and just praying, this is the problem not many believers take the time to pray anymore. The Lord said, pray least you enter into temptation, judging and condemning are those things, that set someone above another, and makes them think they are better, this is pride. Just dropping by with my 2 cents, carry on,,, :) *But then how do you get in touch with the lost? Street preaching, singing, *but not going to condemn curse, or make it worse in a situation. SAd senerio, to point fingers. STory of the mote, and the plank, Jesus said women where are your*accusers*this reminds me of that, same thing about smoking, what people should wear, and bear arms, but no it is not according to the word, but so is not judgement either.*
 
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Not to be disrespectful but a friend of mine became saved in a bar.A drunk friend told him what he needed was to be saved like his mother told him. He became saved and tried for years to witness to the drunk friend that told him about God.I dont know if he ever became saved. We cant put God in a box.
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Of course, there are exceptions -- God CAN work anywhere -- but I think as a general rule, it doesn't really work.
 
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heya dropping in with a few cents. If you want to know how I feel about it, preachers are not what they should be, some of these very preachers, have anger issues that goes beyond the fruits of Love, I agree that John 3:17 { God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world,,, nor condemn it. So who's the one's at fault here. *We are told that we are called out of the world, so why are we poking our noses in somebodys back yards? If were not in the world, why then step back into it's problems, some bodys loud mouth preaching, or condemning will get them a few fists in the face, were told were a light set on *hill, we live the talk, no where does it say to condemn critises, and judge, it said the opposite, do not do these things. Yes we are given a free will, a decision we need to make on our own, not be condemned or force the will of another to do what someone thinks they should, even though it is the word of the Lord, but what happened to prayer, standing there and just praying, this is the problem not many believers take the time to pray anymore. The Lord said, pray least you enter into temptation, judging and condemning are those things, that set someone above another, and makes them think they are better, this is pride. Just dropping by with my 2 cents, carry on,,, :) *But then how do you get in touch with the lost? Street preaching, singing, *but not going to condemn curse, or make it worse in a situation. SAd senerio, to point fingers. STory of the mote, and the plank, Jesus said women where are your*accusers*this reminds me of that, same thing about smoking, what people should wear, and bear arms, but no it is not according to the word, but so is not judgement either.*
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Let me ask you how someone can accept Jesus as Savior from their sins...if they don't understand they are sinners? How can a gay person know they need Jesus if Christians are telling them sin don't matter? These guys where doing nothing wrong but warning a bunch of people that are going to hell if they don't repent... and accept Jesus Christ .

Love tells folks when they are destroying themselves...that's what Jesus did and that's what some preachers are called to do.
 
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Let me ask you how someone can accept Jesus as Savior from their sins...if they don't understand they are sinners? How can a gay person know they need Jesus if Christians are telling them sin don't matter? These guys where doing nothing wrong but warning a bunch of people that are going to hell if they don't repent... and accept Jesus Christ .

Love tells folks when they are destroying themselves...that's what Jesus did and that's what some preachers are called to do.
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I really don't have your answer, but I know that theres a proverb about a nagging women, that says, she like a continual drip, drip, a nag, and it would be better to dwell in the corner of a housetop. I would want someone to love me, instead of seeing the sin, and not me, for Love is the greatest, you could preach with faith, and hope all repent, but, Love is the greatest. Corinthians 13.
 
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I have been a Christian for 10 years now and have been delivered from drugs and alcohol. The point you are missing here is that if you want someone to convert to your then you do so by showing that person love and not by being overly intrusive or aggressive. Being overly aggressive will only make the person defensive and you will get nowhere. Jesus Christ would probably tell these people that he loves him and that he offers them a way out. I do not believe Jesus Christ would force himself on anyone.
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See you found some treasures deep sea diving. lol
 
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I really don't have your answer, but I know that theres a proverb about a nagging women, that says, she like a continual drip, drip, a nag, and it would be better to dwell in the corner of a housetop. I would want someone to love me, instead of seeing the sin, and not me, for Love is the greatest, you could preach with faith, and hope all repent, but, Love is the greatest. Corinthians 13.
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Yes and love does not promote or rejoice in wickedness...Its not love to allow these people to be deceived and not at least try to warn them of the judgment of a Loving and just God... God makes the rules...we don't! If you think its wrong for God to judge sinners then you have put your judgment above God... You judge good and evil...you have become as God...does that sound familiar?
 
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A perfect example of john 15:18-22 The only problem the street preachers made was the fact they gave no escape,they only looked to bring guilt upon others,unlike Jesus.more like scribes and pharisees!( matt 15:1-11!!)
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Blame it on the economy, can't they make men's rooms secluded, like the womens, why is everything open for viewing. This to begin with is not right. I wouldn't want a family member going into the John with no privacey, and someone looking or grabbing them you got to be kidding, is isn't just public, it obsence, and denying the right to ones own privacey.
 
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It's a shame it went like that.
I never understood the use of signs though, why can't we go and talk to people, get to know them, understand them and be personable? Holding a huge sign like that is quite imposing, obnoxious and just trying to get people to believe on your own strength and through the flesh. I mean, Jesus never went around just holding signs up telling people repent or burn, He actually engaged with people.
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I understand what you are saying, however, I don.t believe Jesus had access to poster board back then.
 
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