Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival
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B
Yes Crossnote,the only problem is that they never looked to relate this to themselves first! They were looking down, when they should have been looking across.LOL This type of preaching has given believers a very bad name,being self righteous,never replaces being led by Holy Spirit!( rom 8:14-15) I hope one day you can come to my neck of the works here in Detroit,the best way to stop the prowls around like a roaring lion, (1Peter 5:8)is to feed that lion,not with a believer,but with something the enemy does not expect!! an escape!!( 1 cor 10:13!!) Like Jesus did to the people who roared at him! hehe
I was born in Detroit, raised in East LA so I know the streets.
You say, "this kind of preaching". What kind was that? The video only showed them getting rushed, slugged and thrown to the ground. Their sign said "Repent, or Else", that's not my style, but apparently it was John the Baptist style as well as Jesus' at times.
Mat_3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (John the Baptist)
Mat_12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. (Jesus)
Mat_23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? (Jesus)
Luk_3:7 He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (John the Baptist)
You say, "this kind of preaching". What kind was that? The video only showed them getting rushed, slugged and thrown to the ground. Their sign said "Repent, or Else", that's not my style, but apparently it was John the Baptist style as well as Jesus' at times.
Mat_3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (John the Baptist)
Mat_12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. (Jesus)
Mat_23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? (Jesus)
Luk_3:7 He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (John the Baptist)
M
I don't get it? Why are folks trying to find an excuse for these thugs to beat these guys up...It don't matter if they didn't send the message of the gospel as some think they should...as Christian citizens these guys had every right to protest a gay parade and should have never been attacked. Today its a poster that a Christian cant have, tomorrow its a T-shirt you cant wear...Folks should see the big picture here
M
Again ...free speech and if this was a black protesting against a white group, you would not "feel" like it was provoked. You would be concerned for the victims of the attack..... besides the fact that what these guys was doing was moral and very well good have been sent there by God...God knowing they would be attacked and folks might see whats really going on in our nation?
V
I'm not picking on you here, Mit, but you ask the questions a lot of people want answered, so I picked up on your post to do so. Thanks in advance.
"Repent or go to hell!" isn't convincing them they are sinners, it is antagonizing them beyond belief.
You can't call anyone to account for their sins by accusing them. You can only call someone to account for their sins by getting to know them, relating to them, even sympathizing with them. Or have we forgotten that we were once in their shoes, particularly those of us who came to Christ late in life?
How can you confront the most arrogant of sinners -- those participating in a "gay pride" march -- with a sin making a direct accusation against them that you know they reject? It isn't "presenting the Gospel." In fact, its about as unloving and uncaring as you can get. Was Jesus unloving and uncaring in presenting the Gospel? And please don't requote "brood of vipers" to us, Mit. That wasn't a Gospel presentation. Jesus knew that brood of vipers was never going to repent! It was a condemnation.
Is that how someone brought you to Christ, "Repent or go to hell"? I remember hearing words like that, not even directed at me, and having those words raise my ire and my blood pressure. It is an approach that does not work!
They can't. But that sign and those words didn't "tell them" anything. They heard the words, they saw the sign, and all they got was angry.
Really? how many of them converted that day?
Not with an obnoxious sign and shouted five-word "gospel messages," it doesn't.
I think people here need to examine how Jesus actually did present the Gospel. Yes, He told people things like this:
How long had He known the disciples before He got that specific with them? A year? Two? Maybe three? I'm not saying He didn't warn people He didn't know to repent or perish. Obviously there are several examples of Him doing so.
Did He carry signs? Did He shout "five-word-'gospels' " at them? Show me those passages.
We aren't Jesus. Do we even pay attention to how He started His ministry?
Where's the shouting? Where's the signage? Wow, look at that: There wasn't any.
Jesus established His credentials alongside His message. We have to do the same. Wading into a crowd of "gay pride" marchers with a sign and a five-word "gospel" isn't establishing anything, in their minds, other than more of what they come to expect from Christians -- rejection, condemnation, anger. Stirring up those feelings in someone you intend to preach the Gospel to isn't going to get them to listen to a single word you say, or read a single word of Scripture you put before them.
This is a lousy approach, and while they didn't deserve to be treated that way, they got exactly what anyone with any sense could have predicted would happen to them.
"Repent or go to hell!" isn't convincing them they are sinners, it is antagonizing them beyond belief.
You can't call anyone to account for their sins by accusing them. You can only call someone to account for their sins by getting to know them, relating to them, even sympathizing with them. Or have we forgotten that we were once in their shoes, particularly those of us who came to Christ late in life?
How can you confront the most arrogant of sinners -- those participating in a "gay pride" march -- with a sin making a direct accusation against them that you know they reject? It isn't "presenting the Gospel." In fact, its about as unloving and uncaring as you can get. Was Jesus unloving and uncaring in presenting the Gospel? And please don't requote "brood of vipers" to us, Mit. That wasn't a Gospel presentation. Jesus knew that brood of vipers was never going to repent! It was a condemnation.
Is that how someone brought you to Christ, "Repent or go to hell"? I remember hearing words like that, not even directed at me, and having those words raise my ire and my blood pressure. It is an approach that does not work!
They can't. But that sign and those words didn't "tell them" anything. They heard the words, they saw the sign, and all they got was angry.
Really? how many of them converted that day?
Not with an obnoxious sign and shouted five-word "gospel messages," it doesn't.
I think people here need to examine how Jesus actually did present the Gospel. Yes, He told people things like this:
Luke 13, NASB
2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate?
3 "I tell you, no, but unless * you repent, you will all likewise perish.
4 "Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem?
5 "I tell you, no, but unless * you repent, you will all likewise perish."
2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate?
3 "I tell you, no, but unless * you repent, you will all likewise perish.
4 "Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem?
5 "I tell you, no, but unless * you repent, you will all likewise perish."
How long had He known the disciples before He got that specific with them? A year? Two? Maybe three? I'm not saying He didn't warn people He didn't know to repent or perish. Obviously there are several examples of Him doing so.
Did He carry signs? Did He shout "five-word-'gospels' " at them? Show me those passages.
We aren't Jesus. Do we even pay attention to how He started His ministry?
Matthew 4
23 Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
24 The news about Him spread throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all who were ill *, those suffering with various diseases and pains, demoniacs, epileptics, paralytics; and He healed them.
25 Large crowds followed Him from Galilee and the Decapolis and Jerusalem and Judea and from beyond the Jordan.
23 Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
24 The news about Him spread throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all who were ill *, those suffering with various diseases and pains, demoniacs, epileptics, paralytics; and He healed them.
25 Large crowds followed Him from Galilee and the Decapolis and Jerusalem and Judea and from beyond the Jordan.
Where's the shouting? Where's the signage? Wow, look at that: There wasn't any.
Jesus established His credentials alongside His message. We have to do the same. Wading into a crowd of "gay pride" marchers with a sign and a five-word "gospel" isn't establishing anything, in their minds, other than more of what they come to expect from Christians -- rejection, condemnation, anger. Stirring up those feelings in someone you intend to preach the Gospel to isn't going to get them to listen to a single word you say, or read a single word of Scripture you put before them.
This is a lousy approach, and while they didn't deserve to be treated that way, they got exactly what anyone with any sense could have predicted would happen to them.
Luke 4
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. [SUP]15 [/SUP]He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. [SUP]21 [/SUP]He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. [SUP]15 [/SUP]He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. [SUP]21 [/SUP]He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
V
Big difference. People came to John the Baptist. These guys went to the "gay pride celebration."
Again, even the Pharisees came to him. He didn't go to the Temple looking to insult them in their own backyard.
Jesus was surrounded by those who believed, and the curious. The Pharisees were neither, and interrupted Him, trying to trip Him up so they could accuse Him. Another big difference compared to what the Seattle "street preachers" did.
Ditto the previous JtheB comment I made herein.
Again, even the Pharisees came to him. He didn't go to the Temple looking to insult them in their own backyard.
Jesus was surrounded by those who believed, and the curious. The Pharisees were neither, and interrupted Him, trying to trip Him up so they could accuse Him. Another big difference compared to what the Seattle "street preachers" did.
Ditto the previous JtheB comment I made herein.
V
But, but, Jesus DID! Now it wasn't their backyard, it was the Father's House, but Jesus did!
And He did more than just insult them.......He THREW them out!
And He did more than just insult them.......He THREW them out!
Yes, Jesus was in His Father's house when He booted out the moneychangers -- not the Pharisees, although some of the former may have been among the membership of the latter.
He was also on the hillsides of Galilee, which is a long way from the Temple. He was on the Mount of Olives, which is quite a hike up from the Temple. The Pharisees went out of their way to hunt him down and try to trap Him.
When did the gay pride marchers come looking for these street preachers?
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Well, they had a pretty good example to follow......
Acts 5:40 .) And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
41 .) And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.
42 .) And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Acts 5:40 .) And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
41 .) And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.
42 .) And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Wow..........did you not understand the Scripture I was referring to?
Matthew 21:12 .) And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 .) And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
John 2:13) 13 .) And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 .) And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 .) And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 .) And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
They didn't FOLLOW Jesus...........He put a whoppin' on THEM.
Matthew 21:12 .) And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 .) And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
John 2:13) 13 .) And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 .) And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 .) And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 .) And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
They didn't FOLLOW Jesus...........He put a whoppin' on THEM.
Hmm, perspective? They CERTAINLY encircled the preachers, surrounded them, bringing them into their midst.....The preachers were to ONE SIDE when it started.........not in their midst.......as I see the video.
Still, it would not matter.............Jesus WENT INTO the MIDST of those defiling the Temple
V
Irrelevant. The "preachers" -- they didn't go there to preach, in my opinion, but to cause a spectacle that the "anonymous cell phone owner" shot on video -- made a deliberate decision to go to the rally.
Does any serious evangelist make a conscious decision to go into an already hostile, anti-Christian crowd with a sign and words that we don't see as being ordinarily inflammatory but, in such a circumstance, are nothing less than that, and truly expect to convert anyone to Christ?
It's irrational, as much so as a Jewish man going to a Skinhead rally and trying to convert them to Judaism, or a member of ISIS walking into a Southern Baptist church on a Sunday morning and shouting "Convert or die!"
It was His Father's house. He had that right. Those preachers had the right to go to that rally, certainly. The question is, was it an intelligent decision? Was it truly with the intent to "preach the Gospel"? I say "No" on both counts.
Does any serious evangelist make a conscious decision to go into an already hostile, anti-Christian crowd with a sign and words that we don't see as being ordinarily inflammatory but, in such a circumstance, are nothing less than that, and truly expect to convert anyone to Christ?
It's irrational, as much so as a Jewish man going to a Skinhead rally and trying to convert them to Judaism, or a member of ISIS walking into a Southern Baptist church on a Sunday morning and shouting "Convert or die!"
It was His Father's house. He had that right. Those preachers had the right to go to that rally, certainly. The question is, was it an intelligent decision? Was it truly with the intent to "preach the Gospel"? I say "No" on both counts.
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