Pregnancies from rape a "gift from God"?????
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S
God is the God of life,life is presious in what ever way born, if it can be saved ,so let it be done,some of us heir today where once considered possible aborties,....but......buttttt,,for the grace of God,your mother had a change of hearth,just long enough too get your but intoo this world which you enjoye, wheter
good or bad days abide around us,it,s easy too kill,and destroye but life takes strugle and determination,a fight too overcome hills and valleys,just like we all did competing with other sperm cells
in the begining stages of our journey too heir,today,right now,and too whatever future.Life I believe is like a test ,jist like in school, the test is a multiple choice kind of test,a.b.c.d.,or yes or no.
sincerly:a freind.
good or bad days abide around us,it,s easy too kill,and destroye but life takes strugle and determination,a fight too overcome hills and valleys,just like we all did competing with other sperm cells
in the begining stages of our journey too heir,today,right now,and too whatever future.Life I believe is like a test ,jist like in school, the test is a multiple choice kind of test,a.b.c.d.,or yes or no.
sincerly:a freind.
S
One more answer, did you or did you not, make life..........hhmmmm.......i,m waiting........show me how you made it, do it right now,show me......,easier said than done,talk is cheap when i see a baby come out of your hand,let me know,It took more than two, cause some can,t even have babies, and steel other peoples babeis, that why the kidnapping list keeps growing every year.if you don,t want it give it too someone who does.love ya.
A baby is a baby, born or unborn. How can there be any justification for purposely killing a baby, no matter how it came to be?
What if we wait until the baby is born and then say we will kill it because it came from a rape? This is just as absurd! Abortion is murder no matter when it occurs or why it is justified.
What if we wait until the baby is born and then say we will kill it because it came from a rape? This is just as absurd! Abortion is murder no matter when it occurs or why it is justified.
T
(1) Unborn babies do not really "breathe" in liquid, not the way humans breathe air, and not the way fish "breathe" with their gills.
(2) Once again, I don't believe pre-born humans are fish. And saying that they are does not seem to make a good argument against abortion. "A fetus is a fish so don't abort it...."?
(2) Once again, I don't believe pre-born humans are fish. And saying that they are does not seem to make a good argument against abortion. "A fetus is a fish so don't abort it...."?
P
This, too, has been proposed...
After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? -- Giubilini and Minerva -- Journal of Medical Ethics
A quote from the article:
Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.
In spite of the oxymoron in the expression, we propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide’, to emphasise that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk. Accordingly, a second terminological specification is that we call such a practice ‘after-birth abortion’ rather than ‘euthanasia’ because the best interest of the one who dies is not necessarily the primary criterion for the choice, contrary to what happens in the case of euthanasia.
If you can stomach it, read the whole thing...from the Journal of Medical Ethics.
-ellie
After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? -- Giubilini and Minerva -- Journal of Medical Ethics
A quote from the article:
Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.
In spite of the oxymoron in the expression, we propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide’, to emphasise that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk. Accordingly, a second terminological specification is that we call such a practice ‘after-birth abortion’ rather than ‘euthanasia’ because the best interest of the one who dies is not necessarily the primary criterion for the choice, contrary to what happens in the case of euthanasia.
If you can stomach it, read the whole thing...from the Journal of Medical Ethics.
-ellie
I find so many braindead comments here. God will of cause understand the trials and the decisions a woman would have to do in such a case. God is not a monster. God is loving, caring, understanding when someone is into a difficult time where his or her decisions can not be ideal in anyway.
But those who doesnt know God will keep on with the braindead comments.
But those who doesnt know God will keep on with the braindead comments.
T
Oh, sorry bout that I think I got mixed up reading the post earlier.... I wasn't sure if you were saying "it's like a fish, so it's ok" or "it's not ok because it's like a fish."....
I think I got mixed up reading the post earlier.... I wasn't sure if you were saying "it's like a fish, so it's ok" or "it's not ok because it's like a fish."....
A
Ok I haven't read everything in this thread, but one thing I know is abortion is murder.. And what I also have found out from the well known Bible teacher/pastor/evangelist Derek Prince and that has dealt with many women who made abortions, he says that only one thing comes from it - You recieve a evil spirit of murder.. So that tells me abortion should absolutly not be the first option..
Now I'm not saying get over the rape, by keeping the child.. But still the child is innocent, so it's better for the woman in such a situation to give away the child to a family who won't feel bothered how it was concieved.. Let the child has it's chance in life with another family.. and also this can be a way for the woman to recover from her truama without any guilt of killing a life.. Yes I can understand that the person would have to carry the child for 9 month, but that's where faith comes it.. Philippians 4:13 "I can do all this through him who gives me strength."
Now I'm not saying get over the rape, by keeping the child.. But still the child is innocent, so it's better for the woman in such a situation to give away the child to a family who won't feel bothered how it was concieved.. Let the child has it's chance in life with another family.. and also this can be a way for the woman to recover from her truama without any guilt of killing a life.. Yes I can understand that the person would have to carry the child for 9 month, but that's where faith comes it.. Philippians 4:13 "I can do all this through him who gives me strength."
T
Well, my reaction was more bafflement than humor, but yes.
Though, since you were one of the people who was using the "fish" argument, perhaps you can explain to me what you were trying to get at. Were you just being silly? If so, then I guess I missed the humor. I guess the topic of abortion is one that I don't take lightly, so I don't see humor in it. If you think it's all a joke, that would explain a lot -- both your "fish" argument (just being ridiculous) and your laughter.
I'm probably one of the last people to warn of improper jokes, but I think abortion may very well be one of those topics.
Though, since you were one of the people who was using the "fish" argument, perhaps you can explain to me what you were trying to get at. Were you just being silly? If so, then I guess I missed the humor. I guess the topic of abortion is one that I don't take lightly, so I don't see humor in it. If you think it's all a joke, that would explain a lot -- both your "fish" argument (just being ridiculous) and your laughter.
I'm probably one of the last people to warn of improper jokes, but I think abortion may very well be one of those topics.
J
Sources: National Conference of State Legislatures and StateNet
"Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization")."
Cites by state listed @ this link:
Fetal Homicide State Laws
"Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization")."
Cites by state listed @ this link:
Fetal Homicide State Laws