Race to Replace Cameron

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Desdichado

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This is funny to read as an American. Here every person who holds our highest office claims to be a Christian of one denomination or another and touts their faith/value system as either the reason or one of the reasons for why they do things. Even if their faith means nothing to them.

It makes me wonder how the British electorate is changing more than anything. Is Britain finding its faith again?
 
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MadParrotWoman

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#63
This is funny to read as an American. Here every person who holds our highest office claims to be a Christian of one denomination or another and touts their faith/value system as either the reason or one of the reasons for why they do things. Even if their faith means nothing to them.

It makes me wonder how the British electorate is changing more than anything. Is Britain finding its faith again?
Looks like we are following the American example...

I'm all for a revival!
 
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Miri

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#66
Also, I have found out the qualifications for Prime Minister. They are:

1. You have to be the leader of the ruling party/party coalition.
2. An elected Member of Parliament.
3. Be a minimum of 18 years old.
4. Be a citizen of the UK, Ireland, or the 52 other Commonwealth Countries.

So you technically can be born an American and become Prime Minister. The easiest route would be to find the nation with the most lax citizenship requirements, then moving to a reliably conservative district in the UK with a really,really,really old MP.

That and many cosmetic changes to appeal to other Brits.

So are you going to put yourself in the running :p
 
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Miri

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#67
Truth, I often find in my years of working elections that there are two kinds of politicians- the crazy sociopaths and those who endure and confound the sociopaths by not being sociopathic.

Sad but true, they are on both sides of the aisle and spout every flavor of political rhetoric imaginable. Those who maneuver around them (the endurers) are truly inspirational.
You either have to be a sociopath to run a country, or elected by God.

Think about not many would naturally presume they had what it takes to run
an entire country unless they were narcsistic by nature. Or appointed by God.


Unfortunately most fall into the former.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/narcissism


Narcissists cut a wide, swashbuckling figure through the world. At one
end of the self-loving spectrum is the
charismatic leader with an excess
of charm, whose only vice may be his or her inflated
amour-propre. At
the far end of the spectrum reside individuals with
narcissistic personality disorder,
whose grandiosity soars to such heights that they are manipulative and easily
angered, especially when they don't receive the attention they consider their
birthright. Here's how to figure out whether the big talker in your office really
believes his or her own hype.
 

Agricola

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Ooo just been checking up more about Crab, He is pro-Israel as well.
 

Desdichado

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#69
So are you going to put yourself in the running :p
Well, my girlfriend is trying to convince me to move to the UK with her. Maybe in a good 30 or 40 years... :p
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#70
Well, my girlfriend is trying to convince me to move to the UK with her. Maybe in a good 30 or 40 years... :p
Well, if you ignore the politicians, and the kids cursing at their siblings in public, it's a nice place :) <3
 

Desdichado

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You either have to be a sociopath to run a country, or elected by God.

Think about not many would naturally presume they had what it takes to run
an entire country unless they were narcsistic by nature. Or appointed by God.


Unfortunately most fall into the former.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/narcissism


Narcissists cut a wide, swashbuckling figure through the world. At one
end of the self-loving spectrum is the
charismaticleader with an excess
of charm, whose only vice may be his or her inflated
amour-propre. At
the far end of the spectrum reside individuals with
narcissistic personality disorder,
whose grandiosity soars to such heights that they are manipulative and easily
angered, especially when they don't receive the attention they consider their
birthright. Here's how to figure out whether the big talker in your office really
believes his or her own hype.
Truth. And those appointed by God are driven chiefly by principle- they do not believe that they themselves are inherently best for the country, but they soldier on under the conviction that they are left to carry out the good.

They reason "If not us, who? If not now, when?"
 

Desdichado

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#72
Ooo just been checking up more about Crab, He is pro-Israel as well.
This is fascinating to me. Again, y'all voted leave, but this particular Remainer is so thoroughly decent that you would place your trust in him to honor your vote.

That either says a lot about you, a lot about Crabb, or a lot about how politics works in the UK.

In any case, I find it commendable.
 
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Miri

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#73
This is funny to read as an American. Here every person who holds our highest office claims to be a Christian of one denomination or another and touts their faith/value system as either the reason or one of the reasons for why they do things. Even if their faith means nothing to them.

It makes me wonder how the British electorate is changing more than anything. Is Britain finding its faith again?
There is definately revival breaking out in pockets of the country that I am
aware of. At least a dozen new evangelical churches have sprung up in my city.
A large number of existing churches are also waking up. Church notice boards
which once advertised jumble sales are now displaying bible verses and messages
of salvation.

I hear from others that similar is happening in parts of the West Midlands.




Oh MPW do you remember Jonathon Aitken the MP who was jailed for perjury?
He became a born again Christian in prison, I've met him and his testimony is
amazing and hilarious, he is a fantastic Christian witness and speaker.

I met him while I was helping out at a city wide alpha course which was aimed at the
business community.

See this article regarding his incarceration.

Jonathan Aitken: What Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce can expect from prison - by a man who knows | Commentators | Voices | The Independent


A high-profile inmate carrying the baggage of the parliamentary expenses scandal
should be prepared efor a bumpy ride from some of his fellow prisoners and from the media.

But the bumps should not be too serious, nor last too long – provided he
keeps his head down, avoids being a tall poppy, and goes with
the flow of life on the inside.

I make these predictions from my own difficult yet strangely encouraging
experiences. When I arrived in HMP Belmarsh on 8 June 1999 the initial
impact was disorienting. From the moment I entered "the cage"
(the big communal reception cell) the cacophony of unfamiliar noise, the
high-voltage emotions of anger and despair from just-sentenced men
coming straight from court, and the unexpected rituals of reception all
put me off balance.

Unsettling rituals

One saving grace, which will be shared by David Chaytor, was that I had
pleaded guilty and was unsurprised by my sentence. So I did not join in
the noisy protestations of innocence which seemed to be voiced by about
half the prisoners in the cage along with much cursing of judges and juries.

The rituals of prison induction are unsettling. They include strip searching,
mugshots, finger printing, the issue of ill-fitting uniforms and the confiscation
of personal items (belts, shoe laces, notebooks with ring binders) that could
possibly be used for self-harming.

Another oddity, which provided me with a rare moment of humour, was
my interview with the prison psychiatrist, who had to assess whether I
was a suicide risk. He inquired if anyone other than my immediate family
knew I had been sent to prison. When I replied that I thought between
10 and 15 million people knew, the psychiatrist asked me a supplementary
question in a tone which was kind, if not clinical: "Have you ever
suffered from delusions?"
 
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Miri

Guest
#74
This is fascinating to me. Again, y'all voted leave, but this particular Remainer is so thoroughly decent that you would place your trust in him to honor your vote.

That either says a lot about you, a lot about Crabb, or a lot about how politics works in the UK.

In any case, I find it commendable.

I think generally speaking the British are very forgiving, sit down with someone
you don't like and share a cuppa tea and jam/cream scone and all is forgiven.
At least it is in Yorkshire where everyone calls each other love and dear and that's
the men as well as the women!

Its not unusual to be waiting at a bus stop among complete strangers and everyone
starts talking about the weather or the cricket or football etc.
 
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MadParrotWoman

Guest
#75
There is definately revival breaking out in pockets of the country that I am
aware of. At least a dozen new evangelical churches have sprung up in my city.
A large number of existing churches are also waking up. Church notice boards
which once advertised jumble sales are now displaying bible verses and messages
of salvation.

I hear from others that similar is happening in parts of the West Midlands.




Oh MPW do you remember Jonathon Aitken the MP who was jailed for perjury?
He became a born again Christian in prison, I've met him and his testimony is
amazing and hilarious, he is a fantastic Christian witness and speaker.

I met him while I was helping out at a city wide alpha course which was aimed at the
business community.

See this article regarding his incarceration.

Jonathan Aitken: What Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce can expect from prison - by a man who knows | Commentators | Voices | The Independent


A high-profile inmate carrying the baggage of the parliamentary expenses scandal
should be prepared efor a bumpy ride from some of his fellow prisoners and from the media.

But the bumps should not be too serious, nor last too long – provided he
keeps his head down, avoids being a tall poppy, and goes with
the flow of life on the inside.

I make these predictions from my own difficult yet strangely encouraging
experiences. When I arrived in HMP Belmarsh on 8 June 1999 the initial
impact was disorienting. From the moment I entered "the cage"
(the big communal reception cell) the cacophony of unfamiliar noise, the
high-voltage emotions of anger and despair from just-sentenced men
coming straight from court, and the unexpected rituals of reception all
put me off balance.

Unsettling rituals

One saving grace, which will be shared by David Chaytor, was that I had
pleaded guilty and was unsurprised by my sentence. So I did not join in
the noisy protestations of innocence which seemed to be voiced by about
half the prisoners in the cage along with much cursing of judges and juries.

The rituals of prison induction are unsettling. They include strip searching,
mugshots, finger printing, the issue of ill-fitting uniforms and the confiscation
of personal items (belts, shoe laces, notebooks with ring binders) that could
possibly be used for self-harming.

Another oddity, which provided me with a rare moment of humour, was
my interview with the prison psychiatrist, who had to assess whether I
was a suicide risk. He inquired if anyone other than my immediate family
knew I had been sent to prison. When I replied that I thought between
10 and 15 million people knew, the psychiatrist asked me a supplementary
question in a tone which was kind, if not clinical: "Have you ever
suffered from delusions?"
Sure I remember him. I will look at the link, I'm sure it will be interesting. Praise God many prisoners have spare time enough to consider The Lord and He never fails to show up. Amen!
 

Desdichado

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Feb 9, 2014
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#76
I think generally speaking the British are very forgiving, sit down with someone
you don't like and share a cuppa tea and jam/cream scone and all is forgiven.
At least it is in Yorkshire where everyone calls each other love and dear and that's
the men as well as the women!

Its not unusual to be waiting at a bus stop among complete strangers and everyone
starts talking about the weather or the cricket or football etc.
You really see it in American history. After the Treaty of Ghent, Britain got itself on a pretty congenial footing with the US.

We still built fortifications along the Atlantic coast just in case. ;)
 
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Indiana
#78
You really see it in American history. After the Treaty of Ghent, Britain got itself on a pretty congenial footing with the US.

We still built fortifications along the Atlantic coast just in case. ;)
eh, the USA, made plans of war against Britain in the 1930s, just in case it was needed.. full invasion of Canada, naval plans against the UK. ect ect.
 

tanakh

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#79
I think an out candidate should be PM. My favorite is lliam Fox, who was in the running when Cameron was chosen. He has a tough stance when it comes to the EU. Nigel Farage is said to consider him tougher than he is! Whoever becomes PM I think it will be a just move to give Boris Johnson a senior cabinet position and relegate Michael Gove to the back benches.
 
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Miri

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It's just a pity the people don't get to choose the candidate, instead
the party itself vote for their next leader.