Republican Convention Thread Mk. II

[Sinnerman]

What's really funny about all this is that everyone thinks they are an expert here on politics. Kinda like the basement musician who bashes metallica as being a crappy band, having a crappy drummer and lead guitarist, while said basement musician has 15 bucks to his name and Metallica live in the lap of luxury. Lol.....You people are quite silly.

The list of musicians living in the lap of luxury, that I bash, is long and illustrious.

As a board game player ( Risk, chess, backgammon) I know that despite luck playing a small part of winning, it comes down to strategy and knowing your opponent. Politics is a game of numbers. Get more votes than your opponent. There are clearly a lot of registered voters who are not informed and support candidates based on self-interests. Trump is Davey Crockett. His mission, though honorable, has taken him to the Alamo, to fight the good fight against insurmountable odds. I don't feel inclined to bash him, or Metallica, for that matter. I just wish the odds weren't so stacked in favor of Democrats / Hillary / Santa Anna.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

It's sad to see a party attacking itself all because they don't accept the person they think is amazing.

It sort of reminds me of when I was 5 or 6 years old. I had this friend who disliked another friend I had. When that friend found out I was friends with the person she disliked, she didn't want to be my friend anymore.

I wouldn't doubt if the Trump supporters that were becoming threatening to Heidi during the speech resported to accusing Ted and Heidi of being "Hillary supporters". It's the go-to move when someone doesn't approve of Trump.

the worst of it is...the people behaving in a threatening way towards heidi cruz last night were not just people that the trumpists can dismiss as random aberrations saying 'not all trump supporters are like that'...

those people were -elected delegates- to the republican convention...they -represent- the 13 million people who voted for trump in the primaries...

these people that were behaving in such a threatening manner towards a politician's wife that she had to be escorted from the building...solely because that politician would not endorse their candidate...they -are- what trump supporters are like...

 

[Utah]

Well, Captain Obvious, you gonna ruin our fun now? We had a nice convention, all of us self appointed experts, durn, we were pundits, I tell you, and now, we dont dare opening our mouths no more cause we now know that we know nothing. Thank you, sir

Captain Obvious:

Tender words reflecting attitude adjustment.

 

[Desdichado]

You are the exception and it shows. You can explain things so that everyone can understand what you are saying. 99% around here just muddy the waters with nonsense.....and yes....you are my CC Metallica.

It clearly does show as Sirk says. I respect you as brother in Christ and as a poster. I say this, not because we mostly agree on everything, but even when we disagree. I find that the more educated someone is on a subject, the less they need to resort to personal attacks and the more they rely on their knowledge.

Thank you, friends! I didn't expect my playful aside would trigger very real compliments in response.

The reason why I think I show up to this news forum is the sense of camaraderie. Most of you (you both in particular) have a real desire to apply reason and principle to the issues confronting the Body today. It does the heart good to see.

Yes, even when we disagree.

 

[Mitspa]

the worst of it is...the people behaving in a threatening way towards heidi cruz last night were not just people that the trumpists can dismiss as random aberrations saying 'not all trump supporters are like that'...

those people were -elected delegates- to the republican convention...they -represent- the 13 million people who voted for trump in the primaries...

these people that were behaving in such a threatening manner towards a politician's wife that she had to be escorted from the building...solely because that politician would not endorse their candidate...they -are- what trump supporters are like...

oH ... they shouted Goldman Sachs at her...wow

It looks like lying Ted is probably controlled by some group like that anyway.

 

[Willie-T]

the cruz speech just now was a piece of sad comedy...he was talking about a republican party that no longer exists...and outlining ideals and values and principles that the republican party no longer holds...

Ted Crud gave a disappointing speech.

I think we just witnesses the deep cleverness of Trump, and many of us don't even know it.

We know, full well, Trump knew exactly what Cruz would say... and he said it. And, I believe this is what Trump expected.

Cruz showed that he was obsolete, behind the times, and out of touch. He showed that he was small and petty, and that he stays hooked on personal resentments (despite the fact that his people FIRST plastered Trump's wife's picture [you know the one] all over the web.) and that he would not have moved America forward if elected.

And Trump was ready. After following Cruz's speech with his son and Gingrich, Cruz's speech fell flat. He may as well have simply declined to speak. He would look better this morning if he had.

No, Trump handed him plenty of rope, and he used it as expected.

 

[Desdichado]

You are the exception and it shows. You can explain things so that everyone can understand what you are saying. 99% around here just muddy the waters with nonsense.....and yes....you are my CC Metallica.

I make a living on political advice and organization. That makes me Metallica. Rock on.

Gingrich delivered the best speech of the night. Possibly the convention.

I think we just witnesses the deep cleverness of Trump, and many of us don't even know it.

We know, full well, Trump knew exactly what Cruz would say... and he said it. And, I believe this is what Trump expected.

Cruz showed that he was obsolete, behind the times, and out of touch. He showed that he was small and petty, and that he stays hooked on personal resentments (despite the fact that his people FIRST plastered Trump's wife's picture [you know the one] all over the web.) and that he would not have moved America forward if elected.

And Trump was ready. After following Cruz's speech with his son and Gingrich, Cruz's speech fell flat. He may as well have simply declined to speak. He would look better this morning if he had.

No, Trump handed him plenty of rope, and he used it as expected.

 

[Ultimatum77]

I think we just witnesses the deep cleverness of Trump, and many of us don't even know it.

We know, full well, Trump knew exactly what Cruz would say... and he said it. And, I believe this is what Trump expected.

Cruz showed that he was obsolete, behind the times, and out of touch. He showed that he was small and petty, and that he stays hooked on personal resentments (despite the fact that his people FIRST plastered Trump's wife's picture [you know the one] all over the web.) and that he would not have moved America forward if elected.

And Trump was ready. After following Cruz's speech with his son and Gingrich, Cruz's speech fell flat. He may as well have simply declined to speak. He would look better this morning if he had.

No, Trump handed him plenty of rope, and he used it as expected.

I agree he made a complete donkey of himself on stage, and his snake-oil salesman act is getting old....he works for the dc boys and corporate interests. No one will elect him president if he runs in 2020, he has ruined his already failing reputation and committed political suicide. He may not even be able to get re-elected in Texas for the asinine move he made at the conference.

You don't go to someone's celebration party and try to steal the show...that's just bad manners better to have just stayed home while simultaneously saving face. Cruz is such a fraud.

 

[jennymae]

As for Cruz not endorsing Trump, and supporting his family, I think Cruz did well. What Trump said about his wife and dad was out of line. He can't expect an endorsement from somebody after throwing insults left and right. Now, just to make this clear, I'm no supporter of Cruz, and I think Trump will make a much better President than Cruz, but Trump should have apologized to Cruz, that would've made him stand out as a great person.

My fear, though, is that Trump is not going to do well the next four years if he is elected Preident. Mainly it will not have anything do to with Trump himself, but the GOP will not be playing along, and they will not lose any opportunity to make Trump look bad. Why? Beause Trump isn't part of the GOP establishment, and he has made that establishment looking real bad for months now. That is not going to remain unpunished. I'm not Trump biggest fan, but once made the nominee, the GOP should be supporting him wholeheartedly. By failing to do so they can might as well hand over the White House to the Clintons for keeps.

 

[Angela53510]

Thank you, friends! I didn't expect my playful aside would trigger very real compliments in response.

The reason why I think I show up to this news forum is the sense of camaraderie. Most of you (you both in particular) have a real desire to apply reason and principle to the issues confronting the Body today. It does the heart good to see.

Yes, even when we disagree.

Um... ER... Not enough... Ah... Fighting in the News Forum!

Shambles back to the BDF...

 

[Desdichado]

Um... ER... Not enough... Ah... Fighting in the News Forum!

Shambles back to the BDF...

Uggggghhhhh. I can't handle the BDF for two minutes.

 

[Desdichado]

Okay, I have to ask. What did y'all think of Trump's speech and the convention as a whole?

I heard some great stuff out of him and rather unsettling things that I hope are his trademark hyperbole.

 

[jennymae]

Okay, I have to ask. What did y'all think of Trump's speech and the convention as a whole
?

I heard some great stuff out of him and rather unsettling things that I hope are his trademark hyperbole.

My take on the GOP/Trump thing? The GOP is like the good hearted woman in an old Willie Nelson/Waylon Jennings song...waiting on her sweet talking rambling man to come home...

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I started out as an Independent as I wasn't sure which party I might belong to and was too young to bother with politics. Then when I started paying attention I felt I was a Republican and enjoyed being able to vote in the primaries and loved Ronald Regan because we seemed to be such a divided country at the time and he seemed to pull the country together.

Bush came along the Junior one that is and just blew me right out of the Republican party as He was the decider and my thoughts were no you aren't you are a representative of we the people and started making executive orders that started the ball rolling for Obama to do more of the same....disgusting misuse of power and not so much for the people....

Pushing me into the Democratic party so I could still vote in Primaries.....

Fact - for many years Trump was a Democrat..... anyone care to try to guess how he is thinking? Democrat or Republican... He switched parties to run so just so you all are aware you have a choice to vote between two Democrats....

Fact - Most of the people running for office especially President have speech writers meaning they don't really write their own speeches but approve the end result.... So fire the speech writer if you think they copied someone else. Probably using a Speech for Dummies Book anyway.

Fact - most time politicians open their mouths half truths come out to make themselves look good. Check your newspaper for the truth meters usually published.

Fact - Like it or not it is o.k. for an individual to have their own opinion and Cruz used his right to voice his not getting behind Trump in the Convention speech.... Trump not so smart in letting a known opponent have the mic..... In this country we have that wonderful thing called Freedom of Speech if you don't like what someone has to say about you then don't invite them to speak....

Just a few of my Blond thoughts.... oh I took a political test and came out even though I am a registered Democrat that my thinking is 60% Republican and 40% Democrat and I consider myself a Moderate.... I vote for people I can believe in - now there is a novel concept.....

Not voting for Trump or Hillary will vote a write in candidate.....

Fact - being a Republican or a Democrat does not make one less of an American because you are one party or the other.

Trump keeps saying we are going to win,win,win and It seems to me he has bad judgement,I guess he Is lucky.

 

[Sirk]

My take on the GOP/Trump thing? The GOP is like the good hearted woman in an old Willie Nelson/Waylon Jennings song...waiting on her sweet talking rambling man to come home...

Oh be quiet you big hick. Lol....jk. I like your profile pic better.....it makes you seem more human. Lol

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Sadly yes, it is the kind of straw man argumentation the Trump supporters are using whenever somebody dare say anything that doesn't fit their take on him. What is far worse, though, is that some of them tend to resort to violence. By attacking people not supporting Trump they are trying to scare people not approving of Trump. That is a strategy that doesn't sit well with a lot of people, but it is silencing folks.

Trump is lucky, though, his adversary is Hillary Clinton, any other Democratic candidate would've been sweeping the floor with Trump in the general, and any other Republican candidate would've been sweeping the floor with Hillary in the general.

So, both parties have gone into self destruction mode and what if Gary Johnson takes the general?

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

 

[Sirk]

Sadly yes, it is the kind of straw man argumentation the Trump supporters are using whenever somebody dare say anything that doesn't fit their take on him. What is far worse, though, is that some of them tend to resort to violence. By attacking people not supporting Trump they are trying to scare people not approving of Trump. That is a strategy that doesn't sit well with a lot of people, but it is silencing folks.

Trump is lucky, though, his adversary is Hillary Clinton, any other Democratic candidate would've been sweeping the floor with Trump in the general, and any other Republican candidate would've been sweeping the floor with Hillary in the general.

So, both parties have gone into self destruction mode and what if Gary Johnson takes the general?

This deserves to have some conversation but frankly, it sort of spins my brain out considering the outcome of everything so far.

 

[Sirk]

I don't have network tv so I've finally watched the Trump speech. I thought it was well done. Trump....the anti-politician.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Okay, I have to ask. What did y'all think of Trump's speech and the convention as a whole?

I heard some great stuff out of him and rather unsettling things that I hope are his trademark hyperbole.

He sounded rehearsed like a politician,I'll give him that much,he did at least sound like an adult talking to adults,but as far as what he was saying,his speech was mean,devisive,talking loud and saying nothing as the people were chanting"yes you will"

I thought they were chanting that,saying,you better do It or else. LOL.

bunch of sitting ducks listening to a quack.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Okay, I have to ask. What did y'all think of Trump's speech and the convention as a whole?

I heard some great stuff out of him and rather unsettling things that I hope are his trademark hyperbole.

trump's speech was long...repetitive...petulant...and ultimately boring...

i never thought someone could shout in such a boring manner but there it was...

the white supremacist tweets 'accidentally' getting shown on the giant screen were more interesting than the speech...

amazingly trump's speech was not the most offensive one of the convention... the worst by far was peter thiel's speech...in which he insisted that transgender bathroom access and other social conservative issues were irrelevant distractions...

sorry...if social conservative issues are irrelevant than what is even the point of voting republican for the sake of the supreme court? he singlehandedly demolished the 'vote trump because of the supreme court' argument that is practically the -only- even remotely persuasive thing the trumpists have left in their arsenal...

before thiel's speech...i already had no confidence in trump's promise to nominate conservative supreme court justices because based on past experience i didn't trust trump to stand by his position...
but -after- thiel's speech...based on the dismissive attitude towards social conservative issues expressed by one of trump's own spokesmen...i actually believe trump intends to -willfully disregard- issues like marriage and abortion if he ever gets the opportunity to nominate supreme court justices...

after that speech...any concern i had about the supreme court is now gone...i don't believe either hillary or trump will consider the issues i care about when nominating supreme court justices...

i have never felt better about not voting for trump...or not voting republican down ticket for that matter...

great convention! you accomplished exactly what you set out -not- to do...