Oh where to start. Though masturbation may be nearly a 'victimless' crime, porn is FAR from it. I can provide you with about 20+ hours of vids on this if you doubt me.
I get your point. But tell me how making porn illegal will make it to where there are no victims? Turning something into an illegal activity always makes it more dangerous because, well, it's illegal. Therefore criminals run the show.
As a side note, should we make cars illegal? How about construction work? Maybe firefighting as well. I mean people die doing those things so why not make them illegal?
Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires...
Laws don't tell us what is sinful and what isn't. God does.
...live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
Daniel was accused of doing wrong: he didn't follow the law, he didn't bow down. But when you live a life that glorifies God, you become a light to the world and the pagans will come to glorify God.
How does one live a life that appears good to people apart from God's law? By living their life in accordance with what they define as 'good.' In a nation that would involve following the nation's laws which define 'good' behavior therein.
This pretty much sums it up. It doesn't say "a life that APPEARS good" and it definitely doesn't say "APART from God's law". "...in accordance with what THEY define as good"? "...following the
nation's laws which define good behavior therein."
God's "Laws" are SUPERIOR to man's "laws". Period. Living a "good" life does not mean following man's laws.
"Live such good lives among pagans..." GOOD=GODLY
What is good to man does not equal good to God.
What you're saying is if I go live in an Islamic State, I should stone the adulteress to death in an effort to show the people that I am "good" by following the nation's laws.
So are you proposing that this is a valid excuse? Or that you equate a law banning pornography on the same level as obscure tax law that affects .001% of america?
I didn't know I was making an excuse for something. And if I was, I still don't understand what I'm making an excuse for.
Again, the point is that man made laws are just that, MAN MADE.
Are laws banning pornography on the same level as tax laws? Hmmm... Beside the point. Not sure where you're coming from.
Would you accept excommunication as punishment?
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.2 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
You're taking something that is meant for the Church and applying that to the entire world.
If I wrote you a letter telling you to kill your dog because it's sick, you wouldn't go to CNN and tell them they need to tell everybody to put their dogs down because they're sick.
Again, you're mixing Holiness with man's idea of justice. Of course people are going to be punished. People will end up in hell. But nowhere does it say we need to go out there and judge and punish people ourselves for doing wrong. Meaning it's not our job to punish people for smoking weed or watching porn. But
by saying "we need to make this and that illegal because it's immoral and I don't approve", you're using the government as a proxy for handing out judgement and punishment.
Is this intended to be a biblical argument, or just a pop culture reference?
John 8: 3-11 :
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin."
Hope that answers your question.
Notice how they tried to trap him so they could accuse him. They accused him of many things and he ended up on the cross. You see, Jesus broke many of their laws and they didn't like him much because of it.
And what of the men and women who get tricked into engaging in it? Forget for now about the few women who make it a career choice. There are far more that don't.
Making a statement doesn't make it true. I think your ratio of willing to unwilling is a little off.
I don't give money to the humane society just because they show me a few puppies while playing sad music while a paid actor tells me how horrible their lives are.
And by the way, what you're saying supports what I've already said. If you really believe that most women are tricked into it, how many more will be tricked if porn is made illegal? If it's illegal, where is the incentive to compensate the women for their "work"?
We all agree that porn is wrong! What you haven't been able to explain to me is: "how does making it illegal change anything?"
How does this country become a better place by making porn illegal?
Making anything illegal makes it a precious commodity. That's why people engage in illegal activities. There's a lot of money to be made.
