Tax Returns Still a Problem for Trump?

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Billyd

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I don't believe that Trump's reason for not publishing his tax return is an audit. I believe that it will show that he gives a very small percent to charity. It will also list his businesses along with the income of each business. Every business of his that shows a loss, will be more ammo for the Clinton campaign. JMHO
 
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As long as the law allows me to claim tax breaks, I'll do it.
Congratulations,you pay taxes,I hope IF we ever see Donalds tax returns,we find that he pays his taxes(morally) and not just lawfully the least he can pay according to the loopholes.

I'm not saying he's wrong for doing that,no one thinking In a buisness way wants to pay taxes but a person saying they care about the people WOULD want to pay.

I think he Is narcissistic,chameleon like and bombastic.
 
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Seed,
I told you, plain and simple why Trump doesn't want his financial position revealed to competitors. (And, they are competitors of his children now.) You are not a businessman, so you can't understand the necessity of keeping your financial information out of the hands of those out to torpedo you.
 
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Seed,
I told you, plain and simple why Trump doesn't want his financial position revealed to competitors. (And, they are competitors of his children now.) You are not a businessman, so you can't understand the necessity of keeping your financial information out of the hands of those out to torpedo you.
I understood you,I promise ,I get It but I hope you can understand that a person can't be buisness minded and carry that same type thinking to the workings of the President of the United States.

What Im saying Is,I understand him doing business that way,but don't expect me to think he cares about the people ALL OF A SUDDEN when he treated people so poorly before he decided to run for President.

I know politicians lie a lot but with Donald Trump,the evidence Is uncovered and IMO,anyone that doesn't see It don't care about that,they just want him to be president.
 

Angela53510

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Seed,
I told you, plain and simple why Trump doesn't want his financial position revealed to competitors. (And, they are competitors of his children now.) You are not a businessman, so you can't understand the necessity of keeping your financial information out of the hands of those out to torpedo you.

I get it! And a good thing for a businessman to do for sure!

The catch is, he is no longer just a businessman, but a person who is running for the highest office in the country. He needs to be open and transparent when instead, he is more concerned about his businesses in your opinion than putting all that aside to be the president.

If he was just in the nomination race, I would understand your point. But he is the Republican candidate and he needs to act like it. He needs to put his business dealings not only second but put them in a blind trust. (That is the law in Canada) If he can't or doesn't want to do that, how is he showing he is there for the people, and not just to change the laws for his own benefit?

The one take home I got from that debate, that Donald is in it for himself. He exploits tax loopholes to the fullest, doesn't pay taxes (apparently, no one really knows!) and you can be sure he will use that power corruptly to continue to benefit himself.

I can't imagine how you don't see that!
 

Angela53510

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Please mind your own business ...because clearly you don't have a clue about ours.

You aren't going to bully me out of this discussion. The US influences the world. If Trump is elected, it will affect Canada in many ways, and many ways that I suspect are not going to be in our favour.

Not that a good president should not be there for his country, over any other country. But Trump has shown he has no idea how to run an economy, he has no plan, no skills with people, no understanding of history, and constantly lies. He is the ultimate bully, which is perhaps why you like him? Nothing like supporting a bully when you are a bully!

Why would I not want to participate in this debate? If you don't like it, feel free to put me on ignore. This is NOT an American News Forum it is open to us all, just like a good portion of the world had access to that debate.
 

Tommy379

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I understood you,I promise ,I get It but I hope you can understand that a person can't be buisness minded and carry that same type thinking to the workings of the President of the United States.

What Im saying Is,I understand him doing business that way,but don't expect me to think he cares about the people ALL OF A SUDDEN when he treated people so poorly before he decided to run for President.

I know politicians lie a lot but with Donald Trump,the evidence Is uncovered and IMO,anyone that doesn't see It don't care about that,they just want him to be president.
Why do you assume a business man doesn't care about the people?
 
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Well if Trump hasn't paid any taxes, and he complied with the tax law, then the problem is with the legislature, not Trump.
You mean (lawfully)and I agree,but not (morally from the heart)now ALL OF A SUDDEN Donald wants to be POTUS,meaning he Is saying I want to help people ,after he treated them with little or no regard when he was a businessman.

How does a person clean their own self up on the Inside.He Is talking but not really sincere about caring about the people.

He just wants to know feeding his own desire to know,I was the President of the US of A.
 
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Tommy379

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You aren't going to bully me out of this discussion. The US influences the world. If Trump is elected, it will affect Canada in many ways, and many ways that I suspect are not going to be in our favour.

Not that a good president should not be there for his country, over any other country. But Trump has shown he has no idea how to run an economy, he has no plan, no skills with people, no understanding of history, and constantly lies. He is the ultimate bully, which is perhaps why you like him? Nothing like supporting a bully when you are a bully!

Why would I not want to participate in this debate? If you don't like it, feel free to put me on ignore. This is NOT an American News Forum it is open to us all, just like a good portion of the world had access to that debate.
Why does the US effect Canada, yet Canada doesn't seem to effect the US?
 

Tommy379

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You mean (lawfully)and I agree,but not (morally from the heart)now ALL OF A SUDDEN Donald wants to be POTUS,meaning he Is saying I want to help people ,after he treated them with little or no regard when he was a businessman.

How does a person clean their own self up on the Inside.I think he Is talking but not really sincere about caring about the people.

He just wants to know feeding his own desire to know,I was the President of the US of A.
Hahaha. Morally from the heart. Hahaha. I didn't know you were a comedian. If you want to vote for someone that pays extra taxes from the heart, you need to go ahead and turn in your voter registration card. I tell you what, if you write uncle scam a fat check each payday for half your gross the next 4 years, I'll vote for you for prez. A politician paying extra taxes from the 'heart' thats a good one.
 
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Why do you assume a business man doesn't care about the people?
I don't think you are giving much notice to my post,or you like darkness.

Donald IS the subject,right?I'm not saying that All businessman are like him(Donald),and I think we both know that.He(Donald) did not pay some people that worked for him and those people probably needed that money to take care of there families.

(Lawfully)They would have to sue Donald to get their money and since they already needed money,they would not have the money to give to a lawyer to go to court and force Donald to pay,so they would have to eat crow so to speak.

Morally,Donald should have paid them and told them I didn't like your work and I don't want to employ you anymore.

NOW Donald wants us to believe he cares about us since he Is running for POTUS.
 

Tommy379

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I don't think you are giving much notice to my post,or you like darkness.

Donald IS the subject,right?I'm not saying that All businessman are like him(Donald),and I think we both know that.He(Donald) did not pay some people that worked for him and those people probably needed that money to take care of there families.

(Lawfully)They would have to sue Donald to get their money and since they already needed money,they would not have the money to give to a lawyer to go to court and force Donald to pay,so they would have to eat crow so to speak.

Morally,Donald should have paid them and told them I didn't like your work and I don't want to employ you anymore.

NOW Donald wants us to believe he cares about us since he Is running for POTUS.
I wouldn't pay someone who does crappy work. You don't need money to get a lawyer if you can sue under fair labor standards act. If they got a case, the lawyer will take it. The punatives for violation of that law can be huge. Lawyers representing plaintiffs usually work on contingency if there is a case and a nickel to be made.
 

Angela53510

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Why does the US effect Canada, yet Canada doesn't seem to effect the US?

You really don't know the answer to this?

Ten times the population! Land mass is smaller, but most of ours is where it is too cold to grow, harvest or do anything with the land, let alone live on it. Wealth and power! Canada's world influence is mostly confined to a few scientists, peacemaking, and of course William Shatner and Justin Bieber. Very sad!

I love my country, but we are not world leaders in the economy. We are not military leaders. We are not the leaders of the free world.

The US doesn't just influence Canada but the whole world.

I hope that helps.
 

Tommy379

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You really don't know the answer to this?

Ten times the population! Land mass is smaller, but most of ours is where it is too cold to grow, harvest or do anything with the land, let alone live on it. Wealth and power! Canada's world influence is mostly confined to a few scientists, peacemaking, and of course William Shatner and Justin Bieber. Very sad!

I love my country, but we are not world leaders in the economy. We are not military leaders. We are not the leaders of the free world.

The US doesn't just influence Canada but the whole world.

I hope that helps.
Maybe yall need to take some of that oil you got and buy your selves a place at the table.
 

Tommy379

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I wouldn't pay someone who does crappy work. You don't need money to get a lawyer if you can sue under fair labor standards act. If they got a case, the lawyer will take it. The punatives for violation of that law can be huge. Lawyers representing plaintiffs usually work on contingency if there is a case and a nickel to be made.
But then again if these guys you say arent getting paid are contractors, flsa may not help, but still Trump corp got deep pockets, a lawyer would take it on contingency.
 
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I don't think you are giving much notice to my post,or you like darkness.

Donald IS the subject,right?I'm not saying that All businessman are like him(Donald),and I think we both know that.He(Donald) did not pay some people that worked for him and those people probably needed that money to take care of there families.

(Lawfully)They would have to sue Donald to get their money and since they already needed money,they would not have the money to give to a lawyer to go to court and force Donald to pay,so they would have to eat crow so to speak.

Morally,Donald should have paid them and told them I didn't like your work and I don't want to employ you anymore.

NOW Donald wants us to believe he cares about us since he Is running for POTUS.
I wish you had the slightest inkling how construction operates. It can often cost a contractor or developer hundreds of thousands when a sub screws up.

To begin with, the GC is usually working on borrowed money. And if the job goes past a preset date, it can cost thousands in additional penalties for every day the job goes over that date.

If a sub screws up, the GC can no longer make advantageous deals to have that work torn out, and then have a new sub come in and do it right. He is under the gun, with his back against the wall... and the people he now needs to hire know this. He often has to pay double the going rate to fix what the original sub messed up... AND the whole job (sometimes a half-dozen other subs also) is delayed. This extends the finance period well into the penalty days...... costing the GC thousands.

On a real job, you are not just looking at one guy, doing one job. If that sub screws up (if ANY sub screws up) it affects dozens, or even hundreds, of other workers who were originally scheduled to be in that building, working..... But they can't (costing extra $ due to a violation of their contracted START time) because the original guy's work has to be ripped our (costing extra $) and all his work has to be redone (costing MUCH more $)............... And if you cannot regain the lost time (and often you can't) the ripple effect costs the GC more $ every time another sub has to delay his contracted START time...... not to mention all those finance penalties that the GC now has to pay, DAILY, for every day the job runs over the projected finish date.

A sloppy sub hurts everyone... especially the GC and/or the developer.
 

Tommy379

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I wish you had the slightest inkling how construction operates. It can often cost a contractor or developer hundreds of thousands when a sub screws up.

To begin with, the GC is usually working on borrowed money. And if the job goes past a preset date, it can cost thousands in additional penalties for every day the job goes over that date.

If a sub screws up, the GC can no longer make advantageous deals to have that work torn out, and then have a new sub come in and do it right. He is under the gun, with his back against the wall... and the people he now needs to hire know this. He often has to pay double the going rate to fix what the original sub messed up... AND the whole job (sometimes a half-dozen other subs also) is delayed. This extends the finance period well into the penalty days...... costing the GC thousands.

On a real job, you are not just looking at one guy, doing one job. If that sub screws up (if ANY sub screws up) it affects dozens, or even hundreds, of other workers who were originally scheduled to be in that building, working..... But they can't (costing extra $ due to a violation of their contracted START time) because the original guy's work has to be ripped our (costing extra $) and all his work has to be redone (costing MUCH more $)............... And if you cannot regain the lost time (and often you can't) the ripple effect costs the GC more $ every time another sub has to delay his contracted START time...... not to mention all those finance penalties that the GC now has to pay, DAILY, for every day the job runs over the projected finish date.

A sloppy sub hurts everyone... especially the GC and/or the developer.
Isn't a contractor called a contractor because there is a contract between him and the client? And if a contractor doesn't fulfill their end by doing bad work, doesn't that mean the client doesn't pay his end?
 
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Isn't a contractor called a contractor because there is a contract between him and the client? And if a contractor doesn't fulfill their end by doing bad work, doesn't that mean the client doesn't pay his end?
Well, it seems some people think he should be paid anyway, and just told he won't be rehired.
 

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Well, it seems some people think he should be paid anyway, and just told he won't be rehired.
Isn't it stated in most contracts that if the work is not met to certain standards already laid out, the contractor won't be paid or something similar? If it goes to Court it would all need to be proven...
 
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I wouldn't pay someone who does crappy work. You don't need money to get a lawyer if you can sue under fair labor standards act. If they got a case, the lawyer will take it. The punatives for violation of that law can be huge. Lawyers representing plaintiffs usually work on contingency if there is a case and a nickel to be made.
I understand what you are saying and according to the law,that would be correct,but people need to feed their families and not paying them Is morally wrong.

BTW they need their money now,not after all the court stuff.