Tax Returns Still a Problem for Trump?

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Tommy379

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I understand what you are saying and according to the law,that would be correct,but people need to feed their families and not paying them Is morally wrong.

BTW they need their money now,not after all the court stuff.
I don't know, seems to me that if contractors got paid for bad work, contractors would never do any good work.
 
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I understand what you are saying and according to the law,that would be correct,but people need to feed their families and not paying them Is morally wrong.

BTW they need their money now,not after all the court stuff.
Do you know that one of the basic rules of business is that you never get yourself on the line for any more money than you can afford to lose. That means if you can only afford to deliver 1,000 sheets of drywall without over extending yourself, then you make sure your CONTRACT states that you will be paid for one delivery before another delivery is made.

This is business...... NOT who is the nicer guy who will hurt himself to make sure the other guy feels good.
 

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I don't think you are giving much notice to my post,or you like darkness.

Donald IS the subject,right?I'm not saying that All businessman are like him(Donald),and I think we both know that.He(Donald) did not pay some people that worked for him and those people probably needed that money to take care of there families.

(Lawfully)They would have to sue Donald to get their money and since they already needed money,they would not have the money to give to a lawyer to go to court and force Donald to pay,so they would have to eat crow so to speak.


Morally,Donald should have paid them and told them I didn't like your work and I don't want to employ you anymore.

NOW Donald wants us to believe he cares about us since he Is running for POTUS.
In the legal part, there is another option....not sue because they know they are in the wrong. If there is a contract that has it written out that the company will do the work to certain specifications that are laid out, and those specifications are not met, morally they should not charge for the unmet specifications. You would also have to check the law, but if there is a contract, it would only make sense that the company can't charge for the unmet work. Maybe the contract could also have something saying if it doesn't meet the agreement, no payment will be given. We would honestly need to know more about the contract and the law around this.

Didn't I hear the people were paid, just not to the unmet specification payments?
 
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I wish you had the slightest inkling how construction operates. It can often cost a contractor or developer hundreds of thousands when a sub screws up.

To begin with, the GC is usually working on borrowed money. And if the job goes past a preset date, it can cost thousands in additional penalties for every day the job goes over that date.

If a sub screws up, the GC can no longer make advantageous deals to have that work torn out, and then have a new sub come in and do it right. He is under the gun, with his back against the wall... and the people he now needs to hire know this. He often has to pay double the going rate to fix what the original sub messed up... AND the whole job (sometimes a half-dozen other subs also) is delayed. This extends the finance period well into the penalty days...... costing the GC thousands.

On a real job, you are not just looking at one guy, doing one job. If that sub screws up (if ANY sub screws up) it affects dozens, or even hundreds, of other workers who were originally scheduled to be in that building, working..... But they can't (costing extra $ due to a violation of their contracted START time) because the original guy's work has to be ripped our (costing extra $) and all his work has to be redone (costing MUCH more $)............... And if you cannot regain the lost time (and often you can't) the ripple effect costs the GC more $ every time another sub has to delay his contracted START time...... not to mention all those finance penalties that the GC now has to pay, DAILY, for every day the job runs over the projected finish date.

A sloppy sub hurts everyone... especially the GC and/or the developer.
I understand,and I hate to derail this thread but l got curious about something,so Ill get off course this one time,my question Is,what If the new sub makes a mistake too,would the cost have to be trippled to correct the problem and how does one find out when things are going haywire?during the job or after the job Is completed?
 
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In the legal part, there is another option....not sue because they know they are in the wrong. If there is a contract that has it written out that the company will do the work to certain specifications that are laid out, and those specifications are not met, morally they should not charge for the unmet specifications. You would also have to check the law, but if there is a contract, it would only make sense that the company can't charge for the unmet work. Maybe the contract could also have something saying if it doesn't meet the agreement, no payment will be given. We would honestly need to know more about the contract and the law around this.

Didn't I hear the people were paid, just not to the unmet specification payments?
I know that one sub was offered, I believe, a little over 75%, but refused to take it.
 
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I understand,and I hate to derail this thread but l got curious about something,so Ill get off course this one time,my question Is,what If the new sub makes a mistake too,would the cost have to be trippled to correct the problem and how does one find out when things are going haywire?during the job or after the job Is completed?
Nevermind,kodiak answered It.:)
 
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I understand,and I hate to derail this thread but l got curious about something,so Ill get off course this one time,my question Is,what If the new sub makes a mistake too,would the cost have to be trippled to correct the problem and how does one find out when things are going haywire?during the job or after the job Is completed?
Often the trouble is not found till the next sub tries to do some work that requires the original sub to have done his work correctly. If he didn't, even the time the second sub puts in before he discovers the original mistake it just $ down the toilet.

In that kind of scenario, the original has DIRECTLY screwed TWO people.... the GC and the sub who followed him
 

Tommy379

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Often the trouble is not found till the next sub tries to do some work that requires the original sub to have done his work correctly. If he didn't, even the time the second sub puts in before he discovers the original mistake it just $ down the toilet.

In that kind of scenario, the original has DIRECTLY screwed TWO people.... the GC and the sub who followed him
With these real estate projects, time is serious money. You building something and sinking cash into it like a hotel that hasn't started flowing cash back. A screw up that leads to the hotel not opening for just one day could cost 100k depending on the size maybe more.
 
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With these real estate projects, time is serious money. You building something and sinking cash into it like a hotel that hasn't started flowing cash back. A screw up that leads to the hotel not opening for just one day could cost 100k depending on the size maybe more.
And that is lost revenue on top of all the penalties paid out.
 
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Often the trouble is not found till the next sub tries to do some work that requires the original sub to have done his work correctly. If he didn't, even the time the second sub puts in before he discovers the original mistake it just $ down the toilet.

In that kind of scenario, the original has DIRECTLY screwed TWO people.... the GC and the sub who followed him.
Imagine the massive amounts of $ lost forever if that original mistake isn't discovered until maybe seven or eight other subsequent sub-contractors have done their work perfectly on top of, or attached to, the mistake the original guy did. All their work (7 or 8 subs) has to be torn out and redone.......... multiple hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of dollars AND TIME wasted...... that SOMEONE has to pay for.
 

Tommy379

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Lets all be honest here. Trump probably doesn't pray over every meal. The majority of Trumps business has been in real estate, mainly hotels and casinos. Casinos are no commodity like oil so he is no John D. Rockefeller. People don't need hotels, golf courses, and casinos like they do oil, eggs, and beef. Maybe Trump is motivated by his business interest to be president. The economy is not great. People have less income to go on vacation with and in turn, Trump is losing money. Maybe Trump has incentive to grow the economy so dumb hicks like me can go to New Jersey and spend money at one of Trumps casinos. I just don't see how this is a bad thing. We use to make movies about heroic people who got fed up and went to Washington to fix the problems. Not calling Trump a hero, but I thought the world would end when Obama won, lets see what this loud mouth jerk from Manhattan can do.
 
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Lets all be honest here. Trump probably doesn't pray over every meal. The majority of Trumps business has been in real estate, mainly hotels and casinos. Casinos are no commodity like oil so he is no John D. Rockefeller. People don't need hotels, golf courses, and casinos like they do oil, eggs, and beef. Maybe Trump is motivated by his business interest to be president. The economy is not great. People have less income to go on vacation with and in turn, Trump is losing money. Maybe Trump has incentive to grow the economy so dumb hicks like me can go to New Jersey and spend money at one of Trumps casinos. I just don't see how this is a bad thing. We use to make movies about heroic people who got fed up and went to Washington to fix the problems. Not calling Trump a hero, but I thought the world would end when Obama won, lets see what this loud mouth jerk from Manhattan can do.
Yeah, agreed. I think people are making the massive mistake of demanding the POTUS be a person that is above reproach. That requirement is for a higher office of preaching the Word. We're at a point where the car is hanging over the cliff teetering and ready to fall, we need someone who will step back the Obamanation carefully. I don't know if Trump is that person, but we can all agree Hellary is definitely not. Either way God will have His man/woman in that chair.
 

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I believe your statement is incorrect. As I recall, he said he could stand in the middle of 5th avenue, and shoot someone, and not lose a single voter.

You guys keep "inventing" things.






Getting away with it means the same thing. It's not like your hero Bush inventing stories about imaginary WMD and killing tens of thousands with impunity.
 

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Lets all be honest here. Trump probably doesn't pray over every meal. The majority of Trumps business has been in real estate, mainly hotels and casinos. Casinos are no commodity like oil so he is no John D. Rockefeller. People don't need hotels, golf courses, and casinos like they do oil, eggs, and beef. Maybe Trump is motivated by his business interest to be president. The economy is not great. People have less income to go on vacation with and in turn, Trump is losing money. Maybe Trump has incentive to grow the economy so dumb hicks like me can go to New Jersey and spend money at one of Trumps casinos. I just don't see how this is a bad thing. We use to make movies about heroic people who got fed up and went to Washington to fix the problems. Not calling Trump a hero, but I thought the world would end when Obama won, lets see what this loud mouth jerk from Manhattan can do.




Didn't think you would be so honest.

Trump insults Alicia Machado and accuses her of performing pornography. Yet he conveniently ignores the porn created by his wife and of his role in a porn movie made by Playboy magazine. How anyone can think he embodies Christian ideals and deserves support from the Christian community is beyond all belief.
 

Angela53510

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Maybe yall need to take some of that oil you got and buy your selves a place at the table.
Hey, we would love to! Except Obama blocked the Keystone pipeline on behalf of his buddy, Warren Buffet the railroad king who would lose billions if the pipeline was built, instead of using his railroad to ship bitumen. And yes, a Democrat thing! Rumour has it Trump might consider letting it be built, which would be in his favour.

Then there is a pipeline east to the Irving refineries in Atlantic Canada. The mayor of Montreal, the one who dumps millions of tons of raw sewage into the Saint Lawrence Seaway, is trying to block that pipeline because of "environment concerns. Ya, right! Then there is the pipeline to the Pacific, currently being blocked by the natives. They still have unsettled land claims, and want to preserve their native hunting lands. Except the native land claims in BC amount to 110% if the province, and some of the bands would gladly let these projects go through, as long as they are paid enough to. And some of those "hunting grounds" are in places like downtown Vancouver!

So effectively, Alberta oil is landlocked in northern isolated area, down a long, 2 lane dangerous highway, with no way to get it to market! Even Trudeau approved an LNG plant in northern BC, because the money is not flowing in, and he needs to make some concession to business! Oh, and Alberta stupidly elected a socialist government NDP and even their premier, with a huge carbon tax, is realizing her government only has 3 years left to get oil and the economy going, before the socialists are turfed forever. Of course, they will be turfed anyway, their election was a protest vote against a party that had been in power for 42 years (my first election I ever voted in!)
 
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Tommy379

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Didn't think you would be so honest.

Trump insults Alicia Machado and accuses her of performing pornography. Yet he conveniently ignores the porn created by his wife and of his role in a porn movie made by Playboy magazine. How anyone can think he embodies Christian ideals and deserves support from the Christian community is beyond all belief.
There you go again, looking at Trumps wife nude. By the way Trump didn't accuse miss argentina of doing porn, he said she made a sex tape which is true.
 
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I suspect Trump donated money to planned parenthood. That might be one of the reasons he refuses to release them. It would make sense why he would rather take the hit for not releasing them. Then again, I'm sure there are other secrets he doesn't want the people to know.

Having said that, what difference, at this point, does it make? Only the Hillary supporters will hold it against him, his followers (for the most part) don't give a crap. I care... but it's pointless to hope he releases them before the election just as it's pointless to hope Hillary releases her missing emails. I hold their lack of transparency against both of them... no one gets a free pass.
 

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I suspect Trump donated money to planned parenthood. That might be one of the reasons he refuses to release them. It would make sense why he would rather take the hit for not releasing them. Then again, I'm sure there are other secrets he doesn't want the people to know.

Having said that, what difference, at this point, does it make? Only the Hillary supporters will hold it against him, his followers (for the most part) don't give a crap. I care... but it's pointless to hope he releases them before the election just as it's pointless to hope Hillary releases her missing emails. I hold their lack of transparency against both of them... no one gets a free pass.
Get back to us when you have to speculate less than 50% of the time.
 
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KimPetras

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Get back to us when you have to speculate less than 50% of the time.
When I speculate, I preface by saying so (as I did in my post). I don't give my opinion as fact. When one does speculate, it's best to give a line of reason/logic as to why you concluded the way you did. I guess you're keeping a ratio of how many "factual statements" to "speculations" I have been making? Have you not speculated in these forums? Do you only do it 49% of the time?
 
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Btw, Trump is on video saying "It's possible" he donated to Planned Parenthood but that he doesn't know for sure because he's given to so many organizations. This isn't a stretch to speculate that he has... especially when he admits it's possible.