the New Bible answer man show w/ CS1

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Miri

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As long as she sings while strumming the harp. LOL

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I don’t have a bad singing voice, good enough to blend in with a choir.
Not good enough to win x-factor. Lol
 

notuptome

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I don’t have a bad singing voice, good enough to blend in with a choir.
Not good enough to win x-factor. Lol
I suspect we will have glorified voices in heaven. Even I will be able to sing in tune and on pitch.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Ok slightly more serious question (only slightly).

Will we all automatically know how to play the harp in eternity.

(I do hope so, I can play most things but I’ve never played the harp).
What would be the fun in that? I'm sure that each one of us will have the ability, the means, and the time to learn anything we choose, including the harp. I believe David played the harp, he might be willing to teach you.
 

Miri

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What would be the fun in that? I'm sure that each one of us will have the ability, the means, and the time to learn anything we choose, including the harp. I believe David played the harp, he might be willing to teach you.

That would be cool. 😉
 
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Here is a question: Was Jesus made like us "in every way" Heb 2:17 or was He not made like us in every way?
 

CS1

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Jesus is fully man and Full God .
The foundational Book to read would be the Gospel of John starting with Chapter 1. To understand Who Christ is we get the greatest in sight from the Gospels why?

1. They were Eye witnesses
2. They had the Holy Spirit helping to know who Jesus is
3. Their words are recoded and authoritative.
4. The recoded the Teachings of the Lord Jesus.

it would to be a good thing to read chapter one with chapter 2 of Hebrews for authorial intent
The main theme of Hebrew is :

1. Christ as our great high priest
2. He is out intercessor
3. His heavenly ministry at the Right hand of God
4. God has spoke to us in the last day by Christ God has ordain it to be
5. Jesus is everything God wants to say to us
6. completeness and fullness of His sacrifice
7. outside Christ there is nothing but death.


Chapter 1- The greatness of God's Son, Gods full and final revelation in the Son

Chapter 2- Do not neglect salvation , Jesus became one of us to help us

Chapter 3- Superiority of Jesus to moses

Chapter 4- Jesus our Great High Priest

Chapter 5- A High Priest like Melchizedek

Chapter 6- warning against falling away, God will never forget you

Chapter 7- Superiority of Jesus to Melchizedek

Chapter 8- Superior Covenant

Chapter 9 - Christ death takes away sin

Chapter 10- Verist One sacrifice for sin

Chapter 11- Faith in Action

Chapter 12- warning against rejecting Gods Grace , a kingdom that cannot be shaken

Chapter 13- Instruction, conclusion , closing prayer
 

notuptome

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Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was made like us yet without sin. Jesus was made like Adam before the fall. Jesus as second Adam redeemed sinful man.

Jesus retained His divinity and embraced His humanity. Only God could set aside His glory and to come in the lowliness flesh to redeem the man He created and loves with a love only He can love.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was made like us yet without sin. Jesus was made like Adam before the fall. Jesus as second Adam redeemed sinful man.

Jesus retained His divinity and embraced His humanity. Only God could set aside His glory and to come in the lowliness flesh to redeem the man He created and loves with a love only He can love.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
But it doesn't say He was made like us...yet without sin. You are tying those two phrases together from separate verses. It says He was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin. That means He never sinned by giving into temptation. Therefore, to make your cut and paste more accurate it should say: He was made like us in everyway, yet He never committed a sin.

We are not born like Adam was before the fall therefore your opinion of Jesus makes him different from not just like us in every way.
 

notuptome

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But it doesn't say He was made like us...yet without sin. You are tying those two phrases together from separate verses. It says He was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin. That means He never sinned by giving into temptation. Therefore, to make your cut and paste more accurate it should say: He was made like us in everyway, yet He never committed a sin.
Jesus was made like His brethren in the flesh. Jesus was born of Mary and a Jew. Jesus was made like us according to the flesh. His divine nature allowed Jesus to be tempted in the flesh and not to sin. Where first Adam failed in the flesh second Adam resisted sin.

Jesus could not have a nature corrupted by sin. So in that point Jesus could not be like us until His death on the cross when He took upon Himself our sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Jesus was made like His brethren in the flesh. Jesus was born of Mary and a Jew. Jesus was made like us according to the flesh. His divine nature allowed Jesus to be tempted in the flesh and not to sin. Where first Adam failed in the flesh second Adam resisted sin.

Jesus could not have a nature corrupted by sin. So in that point Jesus could not be like us until His death on the cross when He took upon Himself our sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
As I said, that makes your Jesus different from us. There is no reason Jesus couldn't have been exactly like us in our condition and still not sin.
 
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I have already debated this subject in another thread. My purpose here was to get an answer on Heb 2:17 and you answered that Jesus was not like us "in every way" but like Adam was before the fall.
 

notuptome

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As I said, that makes your Jesus different from us. There is no reason Jesus couldn't have been exactly like us in our condition and still not sin.
Well Jesus was different from us in that He was not conceived in sin. Jesus had no earthly father. The need and necessity of the virgin birth. So He was not exactly like is but He was a spotless Lamb prepared to be offered for our sin. The lamb for the blood sacrifice had to be spotless. Not just a good lamb but without spot or blemish.

Not to argue but just something to consider.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

CS1

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Well Jesus was different from us in that He was not conceived in sin. Jesus had no earthly father. The need and necessity of the virgin birth. So He was not exactly like is but He was a spotless Lamb prepared to be offered for our sin. The lamb for the blood sacrifice had to be spotless. Not just a good lamb but without spot or blemish.

Not to argue but just something to consider.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have already debated this subject in another thread. My purpose here was to get an answer on Heb 2:17 and you answered that Jesus was not like us "in every way" but like Adam was before the fall.
pLEASE DO NOT DEbate ON THIS THREAD THANK YOU. If you did not agree with the answer to your question which I gave in depth in respect to your question , then seek else where :)
 

oldethennew

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Jesus has Spiritually Blessed us with His heavenly shadow,
what else could any of us down here ever 'hope for'???
 

Chester

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Which is the truth? Can a person become lost after being truly saved or is a person once saved always saved? Or, is neither option correct? Or, are both true? . . . . . . ? ?
 

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Bible Answer Man, brother CS1, cool thread (I loved the original Bible Answer Man Walter Martin!).

So here's my question brother CS1:

Did Adam & Even have belly buttons?
 

Miri

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Bible Answer Man, brother CS1, cool thread (I loved the original Bible Answer Man Walter Martin!).

So here's my question brother CS1:

Did Adam & Even have belly buttons?

I already asked that. Lol
 

CS1

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Bible Answer Man, brother CS1, cool thread (I loved the original Bible Answer Man Walter Martin!).

So here's my question brother CS1:

Did Adam & Even have belly buttons?
LOl That is a very profound question . Unfoutuately the word " Belly Button" is not in the english tranlation , nor is in the Greek or Hebrew . So we really do not know however, the context of Creation of man & women does suggest they did not because Medically Belly Buttons (navel), or tummy-button as it's sometimes called, is a sign that you were once attached to your mother. the umbilical cord from her body as you developed inside the womb. Gen account does not show Adam and Eve coming by way of the will of man as did Cain and Able from sexual relation.
 
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Bible Answer Man, brother CS1, cool thread (I loved the original Bible Answer Man Walter Martin!).

So here's my question brother CS1:

Did Adam & Even have belly buttons?
That's a good question Rob, there's another mentioned in the bible that one could ask the same question about.

Hebrews 7

Melchizedek the Priest

1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
 

CS1

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Which is the truth? Can a person become lost after being truly saved or is a person once saved always saved? Or, is neither option correct? Or, are both true? . . . . . . ? ?
Thank you for your question .

in everything we see in the Word of God , nothing is to be focusing on being lost after you are saved. This thought process should not be in the Christians vocabulary. God is fully committed you keeping you from failing and to see you saved. Ron 6 to 8 Tells us that our mind set is to consider us dead to sin and alive in Christ. The argument of if you are truly saved can you become lost , or is one saved always saved. This topic is only asked by those who say they are saved. Can you tell me what is edifying about that?

Brothers And Sister , Our Lord loves you and does not want to ever loose you. Encourage yourself in the Lord . And Loose the doubt :)