The President elect

[Sirk]

then you must have great disregard for Republicans such as those listed by CONSERVATIVE Anthony Sutton:
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https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf

Mostly you....

 

[jsr1221]

I strongly feel that people who subscribe to marxist or communist ideologies are enemies of America. America was founded on principles straight out of the bible and it is the closest man made thing to a Godly system that has ever existed on planet earth. I also believe that those who seek to upend it are my enemy....no matter what they think their intentions are. And they are my enemy because they are stealing from me and my family. They are thieves of liberty.

Not necessarily. The beginning of time in America, blacks and women had no rights whatsoever. Those don't line up with the principles from the Bible. Times have changed, obviously, but you can't say the time period from the 1700s and 1800s were Biblical. If they were, then we wouldn't have had to change things, now would we?

 

[jsr1221]

I strongly feel that people who subscribe to marxist or communist ideologies are enemies of America. America was founded on principles straight out of the bible and it is the closest man made thing to a Godly system that has ever existed on planet earth. I also believe that those who seek to upend it are my enemy....no matter what they think their intentions are. And they are my enemy because they are stealing from me and my family. They are thieves of liberty.

Also, what about the covenants God made with Israel? I never saw anything talking about America. Wouldn't have God chosen America in the beginning? We are much more blessed here compared to other parts of the world. But if America really was the closest man made thing Biblically speaking, why does Israel have the history and not us?

 

[Sirk]

Also, what about the covenants God made with Israel? I never saw anything talking about America. Wouldn't have God chosen America in the beginning? We are much more blessed here compared to other parts of the world. But if America really was the closest man made thing Biblically speaking, why does Israel have the history and not us?

Doesnt history have to be made before it can be written about?

 

[Sirk]

Not necessarily. The beginning of time in America, blacks and women had no rights whatsoever. Those don't line up with the principles from the Bible. Times have changed, obviously, but you can't say the time period from the 1700s and 1800s were Biblical. If they were, then we wouldn't have had to change things, now would we?

Really. Coulda fooled me. Lots of slavery in th OT. sanctioned by scripture no less.

 

[jsr1221]

Really. Coulda fooled me. Lots of slavery in th OT. sanctioned by scripture no less.

Compare the slavery in Scripture versus that leading up to the Civil War, then get back to me. Going to look past the women's issues? And, do you suggest we go back to pre Civil War era? Since, you know, the Old Testament contained slavery.

 

[jsr1221]

Doesnt history have to be made before it can be written about?

Is history bigger than God? God must have had some reason for creating and choosing Israel rather than America.

 

[Sirk]

Compare the slavery in Scripture versus that leading up to the Civil War, then get back to me. Going to look past the women's issues? And, do you suggest we go back to pre Civil War era? Since, you know, the Old Testament contained slavery.

Nope. I'm saying that the wisdom contained in the constitution allowed for ALL men and women to be free...and in reality...so did the New Testament...it put everyone on equal ground

 

[jsr1221]

Nope. I'm saying that the wisdom contained in the constitution allowed for ALL men and women to be free...and in reality...so did the New Testament...it put everyone on equal ground

Except that's not what you said. You said it was founded on principles close to that of the Bible. America's principles are different than that of the Constitution.

 

[maxwel]

4) Palladino is relevant because as you know, responsibility goes to the top. This means Trump is responsible for the words/actions of his subordinates.

Paladino:


1. If a guy who worked for you once, but not now, is now off by himself somewhere... and he says something stupid...
what does that have to do with you?

Nothing.

It simply has nothing to do with you.

It has nothing to do with you except in the minds of people who hate you, and will grasp at straws to smear you.


2. To clarify: the guy isn't a subordinate because he doesn't work for Trump, (he isn't on Trump's payroll, and he isn't part of the transition team) and what he says, somewhere else, has nothing to do with Trump.


3. Even if he WAS still a subordinate, the only PROPER and NECESSARY course of action is to admonish or fire the person... end of story.

And... Trump's team HAS admonished him... just to cover all the bases.


There is no story here.


4. Simple Example: I have lots of stupid friends, and lots of people who used to work for me... and when they go out and say something stupid... I'm not responsible.

If you think I AM responsible for what all my friends say....
then I'm going to look up all your friends here,
and I'm going to accuse YOU of everything they have ever said about anything.



This is all just utterly ridiculous.

 

[Utah]

Compare the slavery in Scripture versus that leading up to the Civil War, then get back to me. Going to look past the women's issues? And, do you suggest we go back to pre Civil War era? Since, you know, the Old Testament contained slavery.

I have to believe all slavery across space and time has been pretty much equal regarding the overall treatment of slaves. Don't fall prey to revisionist propaganda that American slaves were treated more harshly than other slaves.

Also, women in America, though 2nd class citizens back in the day, we're always treated better than women of the biblical era.

 

[Desdichado]

Bingo.

Though I do disagree on slavery. I'd rather endure two lifetimes as a slave in Israel or the antebellum South than a few years as a slave in North Korea.

I have to believe all slavery across space and time has been pretty much equal regarding the overall treatment of slaves. Don't fall prey to revisionist propaganda that American slaves were treated more harshly than other slaves.

Also, women in America, though 2nd class citizens back in the day, we're always treated better than women of the biblical era.

 

[Utah]

Bingo.

Though I do disagree on slavery. I'd rather endure two lifetimes as a slave in Israel or the antebellum South than a few years as a slave in North Korea.

Point well taken.

 

[Sirk]

Like I've always said here...slaves and masters are cooperators in ignorance.

 

[Sirk]

Paladino:


1. If a guy who worked for you once, but not now, is now off by himself somewhere... and he says something stupid...
what does that have to do with you?

Nothing.

It simply has nothing to do with you.

It has nothing to do with you except in the minds of people who hate you, and will grasp at straws to smear you.


2. To clarify: the guy isn't a subordinate because he doesn't work for Trump, (he isn't on Trump's payroll, and he isn't part of the transition team) and what he says, somewhere else, has nothing to do with Trump.


3. Even if he WAS still a subordinate, the only PROPER and NECESSARY course of action is to admonish or fire the person... end of story.

And... Trump's team HAS admonished him... just to cover all the bases.


There is no story here.


4. Simple Example: I have lots of stupid friends, and lots of people who used to work for me... and when they go out and say something stupid... I'm not responsible.

If you think I AM responsible for what all my friends say....
then I'm going to look up all your friends here,
and I'm going to accuse YOU of everything they have ever said about anything.



This is all just utterly ridiculous.

Ya but Maxwell.....marxists don't play the same rules that honest people do.

 

[Utah]

Ya but Maxwell.....marxists don't play the same rules that honest people do.

Profound truth and wisdom right there.

 

[posthuman]

i found this conversation on conflict of interest interesting

George W. Bush's Ethics Lawyer: Trump Will Be in Violation of Constitution on Day One

 

[renewed_hope]

i found this conversation on conflict of interest interesting

George W. Bush's Ethics Lawyer: Trump Will Be in Violation of Constitution on Day One

It is very interesting, I'll give you that. But what part of his whole candidacy has been "normal" or "protocol" none, right? Well, that may be what we need in the white house is not some normal politician and Trump isn't exactly normal is he? Lol

 

[Sirk]

It is very interesting, I'll give you that. But what part of his whole candidacy has been "normal" or "protocol" none, right? Well, that may be
what we need in the white house is not some normal politician and Trump isn't exactly normal is he? Lol

apparently it ls unconstitutional to own a business. It's why George Washington sold mt Vernon....not.

 

[maxwel]

i found this conversation on conflict of interest interesting

George W. Bush's Ethics Lawyer: Trump Will Be in Violation of Constitution on Day One

Interesting.

And this article is from Democracy Now, which is a left-wing and biased source...
so we do have to consider that.

And the Bushes are completely antagonistic to Trump, thus also biased...
so we do have to consider that.




But just as this article, and this attorney, are likely quite biased, I'm sure there are other attorneys with different views.

I'm sure this will all get discussed and debated by different attorneys.


I'm certainly not an expert in constitutional ethics laws.