Trump emerges unscathed as the the media attempts to demonize him

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WoundedWarrior

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Seems that Cruz is the only candidate with the sense to not go after trump. Love or hate trump...he's getting people talking about real issues. Attacking him and people like me who understand that...as cool aid drinkers and putting forth all kinds of accusations is immature and ignorant. I thought better of you than that VW.
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I don't feel I know exactly what's going on here between the two of you, but I will say: It seems VW may have had a rough night -- or woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning -- or could use another cup of joe... ;-)

Strangely, it seems you two are in agreement on a flat-tax. Also strangely, it seems VW views Trumps "tax plan" as "do nothing" -- but has overlooked what Trump said during the debate (which you mentioned).

Sirk said:
Trump laid out his plan for fair tax brackets and it is very much like a flat tax.
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Tick-tock.
 
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Sirk

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Yeah, someone like Cruz or Carson.
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Cruz has always been my guy. But trump is proof that a conservative standing on conservative principles is what gets conservatives fired up and in the end it gets conservatives elected....As indicated by the last midterm elections.....except that all of that has proven to be nothing more than lip service.
 
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Also strangely, it seems VW's view's Trumps "tax plan" as "do nothing" --
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Because it is.

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... but has overlooked what Trump said during the debate (which you mentioned).
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What Trump said in the debate was vague and disjointed, just like that CNN interview. He said "leave it alone" and "cut some of the deductions." That's what we've been doing for decades and it is how we got a 73,000 page tax code. It desperately needs to be simplified, and Dr. Carson's tithing idea is spot on, and that is not what Trump is proposing.

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Is it that obvious -- that if Trump runs independent, then Clinton will win??
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I didn't say Clinton will win, I said Trump is a Clinton shill, perhaps encouraged to run and, when rejected by the GOP, become a third-party candidate. Clinton doesn't have to win the nomination for Trump to give the election to the Democrats by bolting to GOP and running independently.

I don't think Clinton will win. I don't even think she'll get the nomination. There's a very good chance that when the Benghazi report comes out in the spring, she'll even be indicted. I don't think Obama like her or Bill, and won't do anything to prevent it, because it will keep the heat of a criminal investigation off him.
 
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Sirk said:
Cruz has always been my guy. But trump is proof that a conservative standing on conservative principles is what gets conservatives fired up and in the end it gets conservatives elected....As indicated by the last midterm elections.....except that all of that has proven to be nothing more than lip service.
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I've never seen Trump as conservative, only as one who plays the system for personal gain.
 
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I've never seen Trump as conservative, only as one who plays the system for personal gain.
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That's all well and good but it still misses the point. Standing on conservative principles will put a conservative in office. History proves that and trump is illustrating it by his poll numbers that are high in spite of his mouth.

ive said this before and conservatives should take note. So far Cruz and Carson are the only ones that get it.
 
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That's all well and good but it still misses the point. Standing on conservative principles will put a conservative in office. History proves that and trump is illustrating it by his poll numbers that are high in spite of his mouth.

ive said this before and conservatives should take note. So far Cruz and Carson are the only ones that get it.
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Why do you say I missed the point? I agree, standing on conservative principles will put a conservative in the WH. What does that have to do with the fact that Trump doesn't stand on any thing besides himself?
People today like narcissism. ..think Clintons, Obama, Selfies etc., that's why Trump's numbers are high.
 
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Sirk

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Why do you say I missed the point? I agree, standing on conservative principles will put a conservative in the WH. What does that have to do with the fact that Trump doesn't stand on any thing besides himself?
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Lets put trumps assumed motivations aside for a moment and at least acknowledge that what he is doing is firing up the conservative base. THAT is the point and that is what Cruz gets, understands, comprehends, grasps, follows, fathoms and has his head around and it might just get him to the whitehouse.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Cruz has always been my guy. But trump is proof that a conservative standing on conservative principles ...
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Shouting and waving arms is not "standing on conservative principles." He hasn't voiced any principles at all!

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... is what gets conservatives fired up and in the end it gets conservatives elected...
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There's nothing to prove Trump is a conservative, by anything he's said ... but I do think I know where he gets his inspiration:

[video=youtube;ZwMVMbmQBug]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMVMbmQBug[/video]

That's all Trump's got, too. No substance. No plan. No governance. Just rant.

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As indicated by the last midterm elections.....except that all of that has proven to be nothing more than lip service.
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And that's all Trump has, too. But feel free to support him if you must. Just remember that video clip.
 
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Sirk

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Shouting and waving arms is not "standing on conservative principles." He hasn't voiced any principles at all!

There's nothing to prove Trump is a conservative, by anything he's said ... but I do think I know where he gets his inspiration:

[video=youtube;ZwMVMbmQBug]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMVMbmQBug[/video]

That's all Trump's got, too. No substance. No plan. No governance. Just rant.

And that's all Trump has, too. But feel free to support him if you must. Just remember that video clip.
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Im sorry the point that I'm trying to make is incomprehensible for you. I really don't know how to explain it any better.
 
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How does Trump fire up the conservatives? Is it because as he himself said "he is very pro-choice." Is it the borderline racist comments about Obama and Mexicans in general? Is it the many divorces he has gone through? Is it his degradation of women? Is it the connections to dictators and the most corrupt men of the current era? Is it his longtime friendship with Bill and Hillary Clinton?

You're going to have to help me on this one. What is it exactly about Trump that makes conservatives so gung-ho about him?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Im sorry the point that I'm trying to make is incomprehensible for you. I really don't know how to explain it any better.
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Oh, you've made your point, Sirk. You prefer arm-waving and incomprehensible shouting over actual substance, action plans, and the ability to govern. You like Trump despite the fact he's one of the worst misogynists in public life, has love for no one but himself, and steadfastly refuses to put anything out about what he will actually do. He's the perfect real-life personification of Howard Beale (the anchor in the video). He does a better job of living out Beale's part that Peter Finch did in the movie.

He has no substance, and you're fine with that. Every time I point that out, adding new facts upon facts already in evidence, all you do is post quotes or videos that do nothing but further prove me point, so I get it. I just don't understand it. As I said, you're smarter than that.
 
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Oh, you've made your point, Sirk. You prefer arm-waving and incomprehensible shouting over actual substance, action plans, and the ability to govern. You like Trump despite the fact he's one of the worst misogynists in public life, has love for no one but himself, and steadfastly refuses to put anything out about what he will actually do. He's the perfect real-life personification of Howard Beale (the anchor in the video). He does a better job of living out Beale's part that Peter Finch did in the movie.

He has no substance, and you're fine with that. Every time I point that out, adding new facts upon facts already in evidence, all you do is post quotes or videos that do nothing but further prove me point, so I get it. I just don't understand it. As I said, you're smarter than that.
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Lol, well if you wanted substance, actionable plans, and the ability to govern you should drop Fiorina and Carson too. They're in the same boat as Trump in lack of experience, lack of feasible plans, and show a lack of ability to govern. The only difference is they're just more soft spoken than Trump.

If you want the candidate with substance take a closer look at John Kasich. But pick whom you want, it's only the difference between the GOP being reunified as the Big Tent Party or being utterly destroyed by the circus.
 
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How does Trump fire up the conservatives? Is it because as he himself said "he is very pro-choice." Is it the borderline racist comments about Obama and Mexicans in general? Is it the many divorces he has gone through? Is it his degradation of women? Is it the connections to dictators and the most corrupt men of the current era? Is it his longtime friendship with Bill and Hillary Clinton?

You're going to have to help me on this one. What is it exactly about Trump that makes conservatives so gung-ho about him?
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How does attracting a crowd of 30k in Arizona not equate in your brain to getting people interested involved and "fired up"? And furthermore, Never once have I said I will vote for trump or that he is my "boy"....as you put it.
 
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How does attracting a crowd of 30k in Arizona not equate in your brain to getting people interested involved and "fired up"? And furthermore, Never once have I said I will vote for trump or that he is my "boy"....as you put it.
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Lol, gain the mob, lose the masses.
 
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Sirk

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Oh, you've made your point, Sirk. You prefer arm-waving and incomprehensible shouting over actual substance, action plans, and the ability to govern. You like Trump despite the fact he's one of the worst misogynists in public life, has love for no one but himself, and steadfastly refuses to put anything out about what he will actually do. He's the perfect real-life personification of Howard Beale (the anchor in the video). He does a better job of living out Beale's part that Peter Finch did in the movie.

He has no substance, and you're fine with that. Every time I point that out, adding new facts upon facts already in evidence, all you do is post quotes or videos that do nothing but further prove me point, so I get it. I just don't understand it. As I said, you're smarter than that.
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This isn't a conversation we're having, this is you telling me what I believe and frankly, I would rather you were nice to me and showed me a little respect. I would think as a counselor you'd be a little more savy about that. I'm surprised vee dub..that you have resorted to attacking me That you have assumed my motivation and that you dismiss my perspective so violently.
 
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Sirk said:
Lets put trumps assumed motivations aside for a moment and at least acknowledge that what he is doing is firing up the conservative base. THAT is the point and that is what Cruz gets, understands, comprehends, grasps, follows, fathoms and has his head around and it might just get him to the whitehouse.
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I still don't see it as the conservative BASE, no more than those who shouted 'Crucify Him'' to Jesus a week later. The conservative base wouldn't fall for Trump, maybe the latest fad conservatives would.
 
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