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I do not think of it because I see it happening. There are times when righteous anger is justified. David told his enemy he was going to cut his head off. We have to remember how vile these people are against him. Our country is at the brink of socialism and I am glad we do not have a poodle on the frontline to defend against a pack of ravaged wolves.

Why wear masks when the survival rate is so high? Speaking for myself here because Trump has spoken for himself about wearing a mask on the 1st debate. Literally, the only ones at risk are immune-compromised or the elderly. Same as any virus including the flu.
The cdc release a covid bombshell.
94% of "covid deaths" are basically fake.
Only 6% are purely covid .

The duped public. Propaganda hungry masses
 

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austraila did a hard lockdown a few weeks ago. there have only been a few cases per day ( 15-30) for the whole country.

of course, they have been arresting people who speak out against the lockdown. the cops in victora violently broke up a outdoor protest. saw a video a few days ago where a lady was arrested for traveling outside the area that her travel permit allowed. ( travel permit, they can stick that somewhere not so nice).

so, covid down to nill via police state.
i'll take my freedom and take my chances with the overblown , overcounted virus.
 

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Did it ever occur to you that many people get really sick before they survive?
The hospitals have been able to handle the rate of patients. If you are immune compromised or over 70 then that individual will have to consider their odds. If they feel to be at risk then they are free to take whatever precautions they feel necessary. And most people I know who have had covid, had mild to cold like symptoms. We do not make laws based on the exception but rather the rule.

If this was the only problem then most people didn't mind the extra precautions. But in America our governing officials decided to politicize covid. They decided to attack the church and out 1st Amendment. They decided to allow disorder in our streets. They allow casinos and air planes packed with people while churches have to meet outside and even then have had people fined or arrested.

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Many people wear scarfs or neck guards around their nose and mouth and our officials say nothing.

If people can pack a plane, they can pack a church.

The hypocrisy and potential to lose God given rights is never worth the security promised by Big Government. Just do this and that and it will only be temporary. Lenin made the same promises but the freedoms never came back.
 

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The cdc release a covid bombshell.
94% of "covid deaths" are basically fake.
Only 6% are purely covid .

The duped public. Propaganda hungry masses
Yah they quickly pulled that down and Fauci quickly discredited it. I do wonder how many deaths had covid as the main factor to cause the individuals death. Who knows if we will ever have truth again with as polarized as we are.
 
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The hospitals have been able to handle the rate of patients. If you are immune compromised or over 70 then that individual will have to consider their odds. If they feel to be at risk then they are free to take whatever precautions they feel necessary. And most people I know who have had covid, had mild to cold like symptoms. We do not make laws based on the exception but rather the rule.

If this was the only problem then most people didn't mind the extra precautions. But in America our governing officials decided to politicize covid. They decided to attack the church and out 1st Amendment. They decided to allow disorder in our streets. They allow casinos and air planes packed with people while churches have to meet outside and even then have had people fined or arrested.

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Many people wear scarfs or neck guards around their nose and mouth and our officials say nothing.

If people can pack a plane, they can pack a church.

The hypocrisy and potential to lose God given rights is never worth the security promised by Big Government. Just do this and that and it will only be temporary. Lenin made the same promises but the freedoms never came back.
The ultra individualism of the USA is a problem.. and it is being harnessed by the right and left to create polarization and the undoing of that country, a country at war over masks is a sad statement.

In Japan people wear masks all the time out of respect when sick out of courtesy for their neighbor... baffling eh? country that makes no claim to a "christian" heritage.

They closed churches in 1918 as well.
They closed churches in Canada... as far as I can see those churches are open again.
Those packed planes are a problem.
South Korea had the virus under control and one mega church meeting started a second wave.
And mitigation was put in place before the hospitals reached capacity
Dispersion of the virus is a important variable which many overlook and perhaps some hard research into what happened in northern Italy would help
 
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The ultra individualism of the USA is a problem.. and it is being harnessed by the right and left to create polarization and the undoing of that country, a country at war over masks is a sad statement.

In Japan people wear masks all the time out of respect and courtesy for their neighbor... baffling eh? country that makes no claim to a "christian" heritage.

They closed churches in 1918 as well.
They closed churches in Canada... as far as I can see those churches are open again.
Those packed planes are a problem.
South Korea had the virus under control and one mega church meeting started a second wave.
And mitigation was put in place before the hospitals reached capacity
Dispersion of the virus is a important variable which many overlook and perhaps some hard research into what happened in northern Italy would help
Masks as a placebo.
Novel approach.
 
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Flu is also that dynamic.

The propaganda is for a purpose.
The powers that be do not need a pandemic to exert their control... as a matter of fact the USA is already done for.. happened a long time age.
 
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Yah they quickly pulled that down and Fauci quickly discredited it. I do wonder how many deaths had covid as the main factor to cause the individuals death. Who knows if we will ever have truth again with as polarized as we are.
It is a political virus.

When obama had his pandemic ,the strategy from the White House was to silence / minimize the news coverage.
The press complied.

We are being programmed with this fake "pandemic" propaganda.

After the election the virus will die.
 
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I follow the science and not conjecture and the politics of a virus.
Link?

If it is science, then we can learn from those "scientists" that promote masks and the ones that see the ridiculousness of breathing their own stale air all day.
Very very harmful.

My sister in law got pneumonia.
Zero covid on her system.
She was/is a radical mask wearer.

I see a mask induced lung problem.
Do you?
 
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Yah they quickly pulled that down and Fauci quickly discredited it. I do wonder how many deaths had covid as the main factor to cause the individuals death. Who knows if we will ever have truth again with as polarized as we are.
When a bounty is placed on labeling any death as covid.....they will shoot for what they see as an economic bonanza ....every time.

The formula was/is correct for corruption.
 

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The ultra individualism of the USA is a problem.. and it is being harnessed by the right and left to create polarization and the undoing of that country, a country at war over masks is a sad statement.

In Japan people wear masks all the time out of respect when sick out of courtesy for their neighbor... baffling eh? country that makes no claim to a "christian" heritage.

They closed churches in 1918 as well.
They closed churches in Canada... as far as I can see those churches are open again.
Those packed planes are a problem.
South Korea had the virus under control and one mega church meeting started a second wave.
And mitigation was put in place before the hospitals reached capacity
Dispersion of the virus is a important variable which many overlook and perhaps some hard research into what happened in northern Italy would help
mitigation was put in place by many world leaders based on models from british epidemiologist neil ferguson, who predicted 2 million dead in america , 500,000 dead in 6 months ( from march).

he later admitted that those numbers were way off, so , if we lived in an honest world, the mitigation should be rolled back, as it was based on a scenario that was never going to happen.
 
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Link?

If it is science, then we can learn from those "scientists" that promote masks and the ones that see the ridiculousness of breathing their own stale air all day.
Very very harmful.

My sister in law got pneumonia.
Zero covid on her system.
She was/is a radical mask wearer.

I see a mask induced lung problem.
Do you?
One personal experience does not constitute science......without objective analysis under a strict scientific method it is just personal experience.

We all have stories.
 
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mitigation was put in place by many world leaders based on models from british epidemiologist neil ferguson, who predicted 2 million dead in america , 500,000 dead in 6 months ( from march).

he later admitted that those numbers were way off, so , if we lived in an honest world, the mitigation should be rolled back, as it was based on a scenario that was never going to happen.
No one that I know took that study seriously.
I think Italy missed those mitigation procedures.
 

gb9

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One personal experience does not constitute science......without objective analysis under a strict scientific method it is just personal experience.

We all have stories.
the virus is real. the conspiracy theorists who say there is no virus make it hard for folks like me tp be taken seriously when i point out the overinflated numbers,,,,,
 
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the virus is real. the conspiracy theorists who say there is no virus make it hard for folks like me tp be taken seriously when i point out the overinflated numbers,,,,,
The US may over inflate numbers not sure about other countries, I do not see that in Canada and where my other family lives.
 

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The ultra individualism of the USA is a problem.. and it is being harnessed by the right and left to create polarization and the undoing of that country, a country at war over masks is a sad statement.

In Japan people wear masks all the time out of respect when sick out of courtesy for their neighbor... baffling eh? country that makes no claim to a "christian" heritage.

They closed churches in 1918 as well.
They closed churches in Canada... as far as I can see those churches are open again.
Those packed planes are a problem.
South Korea had the virus under control and one mega church meeting started a second wave.
And mitigation was put in place before the hospitals reached capacity
Dispersion of the virus is a important variable which many overlook and perhaps some hard research into what happened in northern Italy would help
We will be okay. It isn't a war over masks as already explained. It is the hypocrisy and government overreach. Most places and people were happy to comply with masks despite the hypocrisy. But 1918 isn't the same world as today. Churches are not just being forced to close but shut down, face fines, imprisonment, and some churches have been set on fire or had someone drive their car into the worship area.

You say individualism but I say unique as our country was built on the rights of the individual. God given rights. A rally this weekend will be going on in California were many pastors will be joining their congregations to resist the governors orders.

Our country was built to prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. Freedom isn't for the faint of heart. It involves responsibility on the people to govern themselves. As to why law cannot be made in less it goes through the people's elected officials. Governors, judges or presidents cannot make mandates that violate others rights under the Constitution.
 

gb9

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The US may over inflate numbers not sure about other countries, I do not see that in Canada and where my other family lives.
the virus numbers are certainly overinflated here in the u.s.

for example , my state , ga, yesterday had about 750 positive test results ( 12,000 tests), but they reported 1500 to the media, they word it like " 750 confirmed cases with 1500 confirmed possible cases).

now, to me, while i see their point in that they are more cases , as not all who have the virus get tested, but that is dishonest...