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EleventhHour

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We will be okay. It isn't a war over masks as already explained. It is the hypocrisy and government overreach. Most places and people were happy to comply with masks despite the hypocrisy. But 1918 isn't the same world as today. Churches are not just being forced to close but shut down, face fines, imprisonment, and some churches have been set on fire or had someone drive their car into the worship area.

You say individualism but I say unique as our country was built on the rights of the individual. God given rights. A rally this weekend will be going on in California were many pastors will be joining their congregations to resist the governors orders.

Our country was built to prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. Freedom isn't for the faint of heart. It involves responsibility on the people to govern themselves. As to why law cannot be made in less it goes through the people's elected officials. Governors, judges or presidents cannot make mandates that violate others rights under the Constitution.
Actually churches were fined in 1918 as well and churches were defiant in 1918 as well.
Without some social cohesion... extreme individualism will only lead to the deterioration of that society as being presently evidenced .....history repeats and repeats.
 
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EleventhHour

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the virus numbers are certainly overinflated here in the u.s.

for example , my state , ga, yesterday had about 750 positive test results ( 12,000 tests), but they reported 1500 to the media, they word it like " 750 confirmed cases with 1500 confirmed possible cases).

now, to me, while i see their point in that they are more cases , as not all who have the virus get tested, but that is dishonest...
Well that is the USA for you.. not surprised. LOL

I love the USA by the way ... my family lives there.
 

Roughsoul1991

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It is a political virus.

When obama had his pandemic ,the strategy from the White House was to silence / minimize the news coverage.
The press complied.

We are being programmed with this fake "pandemic" propaganda.

After the election the virus will die.
The virus is real but definitely not the hysteria of the media. Probably not on Pandemic proportions if numbers have been inflated or falsified. I agree the media is the virus. Many Drs have spoken out against the hysteria and get blocked on social media or ignored by the news.
 
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The virus is real but definitely not the hysteria of the media. Probably not on Pandemic proportions if numbers have been inflated or falsified. I agree the media is the virus. Many Drs have spoken out against the hysteria and get blocked on social media or ignored by the news.
There is no hysteria where I live ... just the extreme anti-maskers.
 

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Actually churches were fined in 1918 as well and churches were defiant in 1918 as well.
Without some social cohesion... extreme individualism will only lead to the deterioration of that society as being presently evidenced .....history repeats and repeats.
Good. Churches should follow God rather than man. Yep history repeats. We fought a civil war to eradicate slavery as the law of the land. Two polarized sides fought to defend or defeat a moral evil. God judged us and even though a extremely large sum of Americans died, God showed mercy and honored Abraham Lincoln's prayer.

Now millions of unborn children die at our countries hands. Only a matter of time before God judges such evil.
 

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There is no hysteria where I live ... just the extreme anti-maskers.
The hysteria is in the media. We are all cool here where I live but I live in a conservative state. Many places around the country are really having a hard time.
 

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Good. Churches should follow God rather than man. Yep history repeats. We fought a civil war to eradicate slavery as the law of the land. Two polarized sides fought to defend or defeat a moral evil. God judged us and even though a extremely large sum of Americans died, God showed mercy and honored Abraham Lincoln's prayer.

Now millions of unborn children die at our countries hands. Only a matter of time before God judges such evil.
Let's hope these people repent first before the L-rd judges them. Were we really so different?
 
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haha those anti maskers are funny! Where do you live? In Montreal I see them all the time.
I do not find them funny.

I live outside of TO... Quebec is having a terrible time... I have family in Montreal who works in a hospital and the inconsiderate people are affecting the health care of those who are considerate of others.
 
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EleventhHour

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Good. Churches should follow God rather than man. Yep history repeats. We fought a civil war to eradicate slavery as the law of the land. Two polarized sides fought to defend or defeat a moral evil. God judged us and even though a extremely large sum of Americans died, God showed mercy and honored Abraham Lincoln's prayer.

Now millions of unborn children die at our countries hands. Only a matter of time before God judges such evil.
There has been horrendous evil all through history.
 

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Let's hope these people repent first before the L-rd judges them. Were we really so different?
It just goes to show like Old Testament Jews. We rebel, and return, rebel and return. Our Great awakenings and revivals are evident of that.
 

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I do not find them funny.

I live outside of TO... Quebec is having a terrible time... I have family in Montreal who works in a hospital and the inconsiderate people are affecting the health care of those who are considerate of others.
Ah okay I respect that.

Yes we are, it isn't so well. G-d doesn't bring upon such problems unless it is necessary to wake us up. So it is a sign from G-d on what we need to do. One of the consequences is "isolation", therefore when we are together, we probably were not doing so well or we were wasting time. It also effects the windpipes so clearly we have not been using our speech well. The 10 plagues on Egypt make no sense. Why 10? Why not 1? Why not just redeem Israel? Each one has profound wisdom to teach us and to help us correct our ways...so correcting our ways will fix COVID, masks....yes only in the physical world...but can a mask out run the Almighty G-d? We thought the same with bricks too!
 

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There has been horrendous evil all through history.
Oh, of course, mankind has a heart that easily leans towards wickedness. As to why our founders were very cautious with giving government lots of power. Power and greed are 2 of the greatest of corruption.
 

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It just goes to show like Old Testament Jews. We rebel, and return, rebel and return. Our Great awakenings and revivals are evident of that.
Absolutely! Human nature...the questions is...who will return? And Thank G-d He has patience...I need it! LOL
 
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EleventhHour

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Ah okay I respect that.

Yes we are, it isn't so well. G-d doesn't bring upon such problems unless it is necessary to wake us up. So it is a sign from G-d on what we need to do. One of the consequences is "isolation", therefore when we are together, we probably were not doing so well or we were wasting time. It also effects the windpipes so clearly we have not been using our speech well. The 10 plagues on Egypt make no sense. Why 10? Why not 1? Why not just redeem Israel? Each one has profound wisdom to teach us and to help us correct our ways...so correcting our ways will fix COVID, masks....yes only in the physical world...but can a mask out run the Almighty G-d? We thought the same with bricks too!
We should endanger the lives of those who are not saved.
 

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We should endanger the lives of those who are not saved.
I never said that at all. If the government says to put a mask on, put one on, it's not hard unless you have a specific reason. My point is, not to overthink and emphasize on the "act" for acts are just fruits of the heart. Our goal as Christians is to focus on the soul, we have plenty of people focused on masks, etc. Let them do that. focus on how we can help people change their ways. Focusing on the physical world too much only hits dead ends.
 
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EleventhHour

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I never said that at all. If the government says to put a mask on, put one on, it's not hard unless you have a specific reason. My point is, not to overthink and emphasize on the "act" for acts are just fruits of the heart. Our goal as Christians is to focus on the soul, we have plenty of people focused on masks, etc. Let them do that. focus on how we can help people change their ways. Focusing on the physical world too much only hits dead ends.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, there are too many people on this message board that think a mask is huge infringement on their personal liberty .. as though personal liberty...sigh.
 

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No worries at all! Thank you. I appreciate that! :) Very nice!

When we are bored and serve no deep purpose, we tend to use our creative powers for meaningless discussions and fights. Hence all the "isms", "ologies" & "groups". When we are married, in a believing community, with kids etc, that takes a full time commitment, let alone the power to grow and learn from it. Today, that is very much destroyed :( We must pray to have it back and work on ourselves to see how much growth and energy comes from this. :)
 

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Sorry for the misunderstanding, there are too many people on this message board that think a mask is huge infringement on their personal liberty .. as though personal liberty...sigh.
the gov. of california told his state residents to " wear a mask , even when eating, only take it down to take a bite of food"

now, what if that got mandated. would that be an infringement on personal liberty???
 

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Like I posted early above. The bible tells us that G-d ordains and puts in charge the leaders. Ex: Pharoah. Yes you are right in a secular world, there would be a call on "personal liberty being taken away". If we only focus there, we will never solve anything in heaven. The bigger question is, why did the "Governer of Governers" allow this to happy? Therefore the best call of action if you want you "G-d ordained liberty" is to repent from what you are doing with your mouth (i.e. over eating, cursing, evil speech, slander, etc). Exodus would be a great book to read at the moment. Why when the plagues came...why did G-d protect Israel then? Why not when the Babylonians came? Why not now? Why isn't there are great miracle over us Christians where not 1 Christian has Corona? Also read Psalms 91, 10,000 people at you right side could all be cursed...but you nothing will touch.

So we could debate on "physical liberty" given by humanity all day long...or ask bigger questions to the Chief upstairs who permits these things to happen.

Isaiah 9:12 "But the people has not returned to the One (G-d) Who smites them, they do not seek H-Shem, Master of Legions"

Have a Happy Day! :)