Trump wants to move us embassy to Jerusalem do you think it will cause issues???

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Do you think trumps move is good?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 57.1%
  • no

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • maybe explain

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Kudos to trump for recognizing Jerusalem

    Votes: 20 57.1%

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tanakh

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hey without getting into an argument here - i just want to say that i love you Tanakh and we may not agree about the state of Israel but i understand and respect your position, and everyone else's here, on this issue, which is not an easy one to grapple with. certainly do not consider you a nazi! good grief

i have my view; it's probably more or less evident from my previous post, and if it conflicts with the understanding of others, it should not be a source of contention or animosity between brothers and sisters. that's all i wanted to say - i don't want any of us to become enemies with each other over this.

((i'm responding to Tanakh here but my sentiment goes for the rest of y'all too))

Thank you for your post. Everyone on site has different opinions and interpretations of Scripture and world affairs. I dont consider myself an infallible expert but I draw a line at personal insults at myself and others of whom the accuser has little or no knowledge of me or anyone else on site. I was tempted to report these posts but will let it pass this time.
 
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Susanna

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It's nice to see that a disagreement on a matter can be handled in a good way:).
 
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kaylagrl

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to those saying that Israel is 'no more' in the eyes of God, and that the current nation is a farce, i am under the impression that the scripture is very clear that Yah has promised that He will not utterly forsake Israel, that He will come again and redeem His adulterous wife, personally, and that at that time they will recognize Him as Lord and Christ, nationally, with weeping. things like Ezekiel 38 & Zechariah 11-13 have yet to take place, and must take place, and they don't seem to me to be speaking of the church as some kind of replacement. every nation on earth will gather to attack evangelical Christendom in a literal war? please.

am i pleased because this is a step towards horrendous violence and sorrow? of course not. i am pleased because it is a step towards the completion of all things - because i am always looking towards His return, and His returning is the final solution to Jerusalem: His foot will step on the Mt. of Olives once more, and all will know He is Lord. i am pleased because it is the truth: Jerusalem is the city of David, not the city of Mohammed.

There's someone here who reads the Bible and believes it.Well said.The Jews lost use of the land because of disobedience,but they never lost the deed. According to the Bible and history the land belongs to the Jews,and Israel will be restored.
 
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kaylagrl

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'Message of the cross' linked my Biblically based views with the Philosophy of Hitler. You reply to his statements with ''Amen Brother'' If you wish to avoid being misrepresented on this site Iwould advise you to be careful how and to who you express your opinions.
No,your views are not Biblically based,Im sorry,you are wrong. And MOTC did not say you were a Nazi or compare you to Hitler,he said Hitler believed the same philosophy. So I neither compared you to Nazis nor Hitler either. But I do believe the replacement theology,that the church takes the place of the Jews in the NT had much to do with the Holocaust and how "Christian" Germany could allow it to happen under their noses and looked the other way.
 

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Thank you for your post. Everyone on site has different opinions and interpretations of Scripture and world affairs. I dont consider myself an infallible expert but I draw a line at personal insults at myself and others of whom the accuser has little or no knowledge of me or anyone else on site. I was tempted to report these posts but will let it pass this time.
I have always enjoyed your posts. They are reasonable and thoughtful.

I hope that I will be seeing many more.
 
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FenceMan

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to those saying that Israel is 'no more' in the eyes of God, and that the current nation is a farce, i am under the impression that the scripture is very clear that Yah has promised that He will not utterly forsake Israel, that He will come again and redeem His adulterous wife, personally, and that at that time they will recognize Him as Lord and Christ, nationally, with weeping. things like Ezekiel 38 & Zechariah 11-13 have yet to take place, and must take place, and they don't seem to me to be speaking of the church as some kind of replacement. every nation on earth will gather to attack evangelical Christendom in a literal war? please.

am i pleased because this is a step towards horrendous violence and sorrow? of course not. i am pleased because it is a step towards the completion of all things - because i am always looking towards His return, and His returning is the final solution to Jerusalem: His foot will step on the Mt. of Olives once more, and all will know He is Lord. i am pleased because it is the truth: Jerusalem is the city of David, not the city of Mohammed.
At the same time, as important and historical as Trump's decision is, it is also not the first time Jerusalem was declared Israel's capital in the modern era. It's the second major occurrence with US ties. So while Jesus's return is ever closer, this also isn't exactly a completely new development. It's more like a correction after a period of disdain and cowardice. So, yes, Jesus' return is imminent. But very much more so than last month? I don't know... No one does, really. I try to walk a fine line between expectancy and focusing on the present.
 

tanakh

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No,your views are not Biblically based,Im sorry,you are wrong. And MOTC did not say you were a Nazi or compare you to Hitler,he said Hitler believed the same philosophy. So I neither compared you to Nazis nor Hitler either. But I do believe the replacement theology,that the church takes the place of the Jews in the NT had much to do with the Holocaust and how "Christian" Germany could allow it to happen under their noses and looked the other way.
This is my last reply to this argument. I intend to produce a detailed thread on the subject of Babylon and Jerusalem/Israel if only to prove that my view comes from the Bible and not from Mein Kamph . It will take me a while to collect the relevant passages and texts but I hope to have it on site this month.
 

lightbearer

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I think it is an idiotic move. As a Country whose deficit is in the trillions why waste the money?

Capital? How is it he thinks he can declare anything. Last I checked Israel was sovereign nation. Who is he to say one way or another?
 
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kaylagrl

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This is my last reply to this argument. I intend to produce a detailed thread on the subject of Babylon and Jerusalem/Israel if only to prove that my view comes from the Bible and not from Mein Kamph . It will take me a while to collect the relevant passages and texts but I hope to have it on site this month.
That should be an interesting discussion,,,,
 
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kaylagrl

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I think it is an idiotic move. As a Country whose deficit is in the trillions why waste the money?

Capital? How is it he thinks he can declare anything. Last I checked Israel was sovereign nation. Who is he to say one way or another?

​I think you are misunderstanding. Trump isn't declaring anything,he is recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel,which it has been for some 3,000 yrs. But you are right Israel is a sovereign nation and has a right to declare a capitol and have it recognized by the world. Trump is keeping a promise made in 1995 by the US.I'd say its about it was made good on.
 

lightbearer

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​I think you are misunderstanding. Trump isn't declaring anything,he is recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel,which it has been for some 3,000 yrs.
Not according to Palestinians. It is an Unstable issue and has been for 3000 years. And yes he did declare it.

We need to mind our own business and stop wasting money.
 
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kaylagrl

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Not according to Palestinians. It is an Unstable issue and has been for 3000 years. And yes he did declare it.

We need to mind our own business and stop wasting money.

Palestinians are simply Arabs and they were given a chance at having land in the region when Israel was formed,they refused it because they did not want Jews on the land,period. The league of nations granted the land to Israel and by international law the land belongs to them.They are a sovereign country and have a right to have a capitol. It has nothing to do with the Palestinians. And because the US is a superpower and promised to move the embassy in 95 it is our business.The promise ought to be kept,we'd expect no less if it was our country.
 

Dude653

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Just trying to look at things objectively here. The way I understand it both sides feel like they have a divine right to this disputed territory. So when the US sides with Israel it's kind of like a gym teacher saying
" I know you both have a right to use the basketball court but I'm going to let these guys use it because I like them better" understandably the other side feels jilted.
I hope they can find a peaceful solution
 
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kaylagrl

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Just trying to look at things objectively here. The way I understand it both sides feel like they have a divine right to this disputed territory. So when the US sides with Israel it's kind of like a gym teacher saying
" I know you both have a right to use the basketball court but I'm going to let these guys use it because I like them better" understandably the other side feels jilted.
I hope they can find a peaceful solution

Yes Dude,but the problem is its not like your example at all. Its like the school was being built and even though the Arabs were given a right to use part of the basketball court they said "nah,we hate those guys,we want all the court and the school."So they walked away. Israel was given use of the court and the Arabs come back and say "hey,we want the court back,and we want you outta here,and you have no right to name the school". Thats more the truth of the story.Kind of hard to use basketball as an example.The pity is Christians don't know the truth,and many don't want to know because of their dislike of Jewish people. Not speaking of you,just in general.
 
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FenceMan

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Yes Dude,but the problem is its not like your example at all. Its like the school was being built and even though the Arabs were given a right to use part of the basketball court they said "nah,we hate those guys,we want all the court and the school."So they walked away. Israel was given use of the court and the Arabs come back and say "hey,we want the court back,and we want you outta here,and you have no right to name the school". Thats more the truth of the story.Kind of hard to use basketball as an example.The pity is Christians don't know the truth,and many don't want to know because of their dislike of Jewish people. Not speaking of you,just in general.
Like this post if you knew kids like this... ;)
 

Tommy379

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Mohammedans have the right to nothing. To hell with them.
 
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kaylagrl

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Mohammedans have the right to nothing. To hell with them.


​Islam is from the pit of hell,but its adherents are in bondage and need the light.Ive heard the testimony of people that followed Islam and they are some on fire Christians.
 

Dude653

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Mohammedans have the right to nothing. To hell with them.
I think it might be a little bit Overkill to say an entire demographic of people have no rights just because they practice a different religion