U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates
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I dont believe Mitspa believes hes better than homosexuals 
They have to repent of their sin, just like the rest of us did and do... What im speaking against is the gay agenda being promoted in our society and in the church. If so many wasn't trying to justify this sin and it wasn't being forced upon us...we would not have to discuss it and explain the truth to the degree it is now needed.
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We are called to set ourselves apart from the world, and I think that would include that we shouldn't 'hang out' too much with those who live according to the world. But we are to make ourselves available to anyone in the world who seeks Christ in any way. Jesus didn't actively seek out the sinners, but He never turned away a one of them who sought out Him.
That is opposed to shunning brothers and sisters living in unrepentant sin, which means we are to have nothing to do with them.
That is opposed to shunning brothers and sisters living in unrepentant sin, which means we are to have nothing to do with them.
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I dont believe Mitspa believes hes better than homosexuals
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He directed it to anyone that wanted to read and know the truth of God..Its truth no matter who you think Paul was directing it to... and clearly the sin that define the reprobate condition of Sodom was homosexual sin..which again is the point Paul makes ...so clearly the bible points to this sin as the extreme of mans rebellion and perversion of Gods intention for man... No one who reads and believes the bible can ignore the clear intention of these passages.
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Sorry, I wish I could agree with you. He has measured sin on a mad-made scale and claimed it to be God's. In doing that, he will forever believe that any sin he's ever committed, in comparison to a homosexual's, is "lesser" in severity, and is therefore "better" than their sin. Ugh! lol
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Um...Paul was still speaking of the idolotrous practice that led to the rejection of God and even acknowlodgement that He even existed...and it a was part of this particular idolotrous practice that they willingly traded their heterosexuality in for lustful homosexual practices...that was the lesson for the believers then and there who were all too familiar with this type of idolotrous practice...and Paul did help them understand the progression of that society's idolotry that led to their ultimate rejection of God...this is what I meant by saying he was explaining it for that audience at that time and not applying it to all of mandkind. The lesson's general context though is in one for all time...that unrepentant idolatry results in separation from God forever. The important fact that you are ignoring is that whether homosexual or heterosexual, the progression of idolatry and God rejection is no different between the tow and leads to the same end. This does not mean that all homosexuals have become that way because they all involved themselves in ritualistic practices in idolotrous worship that automatically explains away their "perversion"....which is what you are insinuating. It does mean that idolatry unrepented of does lead to a permanent separation of God though.
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Actually, I think he realizes that the moment he picks up that drink, will be has last, lol. Not that I'm too familiar with the gene stuff and alcoholism, but I do believe in the spriritual inclinations we are born with via our sinful nature. What I mean by this, is that when we are physically born, we are also "spiritually" born into sin...This has been so since the fall...and that "spiritual sin" we are born into manifests itself in several different ways with several different people...Combine those sinful inclinations with active temptations, and you have a recipe for disaster...and the ONLY way to overcome them is through Jesus Christ alone. I don't get what some people's problem on here is with understanding that concept...and I certainly don't understand how treating those outside of Christ with dignity and respect despite their "unforgiven sin", how this is supporting any "agenda"...and of ALL the people on this earth who live with "unforgiven" sin (which far outnumber those who are homosexual), why is it that homosexuals are treated THE WORST by Christians? This is what I will never understand...and the only answers I get from some people in here is because they're "perverts with reprobate minds, no better than child molestors, gang rapists, etc etc"...do you understand where I am coming from in my anger? Because not only are they applying a man-made measuring scale to sin in general, by doing so, they are literally excusing themselves from doing so through their own misrepresentation of God's Word. Sorry, but idolotry is the root issue in ALL sin..through worship of the "self"...with homosexuality being no more or less of an exception. Just because there was a pagan practice in Corinth as well as many other places across the globe, that involved heterosexuals trading in their orientations for lustful homosexual practices as part of that pagan practice does NOT mean this how all homosexuals on the planet "magically came to be and still are" in comparison to all other "types of sinners"", and to use that scripture to to try to prove that point is unconscionable. There is more heterosexual sin admonished in that bible than ANY mentioned homosexual sin, and while this does NOT mean homosexuality is any less of a sin, it certainly DOES NOT mean that it is any more either...because SIN IS SIN...AND ONE ISN'T GREATER THAN THE OTHER. O.k. *(breathe..breathe)*. just had to get that out, so sorry it was to you, lol.
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"directed to all mankind"-----> Paul stating that all homosexuals on the planet are a direct result of them participating in a pagan practice in the manner of which is spoken of here...the audience he was speaking to was well aware of and familiar with this pagan practice, and no doubt, there were those who used to participate in it themselves before coming to Christ.
It's no different with Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexual sin was not the sole reason for their punishment, as you are making it...It was SIN...SIN of the ENTIRE CITIES...with not even 10 righteous remaining. Where are you getting that it's because of this "perversion" alone that God destroyed them? They had so much sin floating through there, with no want or room left for God, that the ENTIRE POPULATION was "reprobate" in mind and spirit.....to the point were EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING GOES. I'm sure there wasn't a sin left unturned in the place. Is it because of the part where there were a group of mockers outside of Lot's door who wanted to gangrape the angels? (which whether homosexual or heterosexual, it's an abomination) really?
It's no different with Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexual sin was not the sole reason for their punishment, as you are making it...It was SIN...SIN of the ENTIRE CITIES...with not even 10 righteous remaining. Where are you getting that it's because of this "perversion" alone that God destroyed them? They had so much sin floating through there, with no want or room left for God, that the ENTIRE POPULATION was "reprobate" in mind and spirit.....to the point were EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING GOES. I'm sure there wasn't a sin left unturned in the place. Is it because of the part where there were a group of mockers outside of Lot's door who wanted to gangrape the angels? (which whether homosexual or heterosexual, it's an abomination) really?
It makes sense, but I don't know that it's accurate. He ate enough with sinners to be accused of being a glutton and a drunkard. How do you know that he didn't initiate any of that? We have plenty of examples where he DID initiate contact with sinners. Also, to claim "he didn't walk into a bar" when culturally, there were no such things as bars isn't really much of a statement.