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The attacks caused by Islam were more than likely a major reason this man decided to do it. So, for this conversation about an attack on a mosque aimed at Muslims, yes.
And nope, if a person is against the teachings of Islam because of the violent acts of terror, it is clear that they do not condone acts of terror against Islam. It should be known without question that what the man did is wrong.
And nope, if a person is against the teachings of Islam because of the violent acts of terror, it is clear that they do not condone acts of terror against Islam. It should be known without question that what the man did is wrong.
Terrorist groups like ISIS are criminals who are using Islam as a vehicle to further their own interests which are centered around gaining political power and control. They do this by distorting Islamic teachings and feed their version to the young and impressionable. This is very similar to the methods used by other extreme political groups and Christian Cults. A constant focus on the shortcomings of Islam plays into the hands of the terrorists and will not produce a single convert
I disagree. I think helping people see that Islam both teaches violence against the unbeliever, as well as how it contradicts itself by claiming to be of the same source as the Gospel, but contradicting it entirely, will help many people come out of Islam.
And it has, too. There are many former Muslims who have left Islam thanks to others speaking out against it.
I agree, absolutely. But I have to ask, what are you referencing here? The man who committed the attack, or the current conversation?
And it has, too. There are many former Muslims who have left Islam thanks to others speaking out against it.
I agree, absolutely. But I have to ask, what are you referencing here? The man who committed the attack, or the current conversation?
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Just so you know, the man who drove the van into the Muslims,
is an unhinged violent drunk.
I would also add that the Muslims driving vans at people, stabbing etc
are also unhinged.
Yet here we are on a christian site arguing about the rights and wrongs about
unhinged people, trying to justify what they are doing. Debating one side against
the other etc. Sigh......
It doesn't matter whether people are Christians, Muslims, black, white, pink etc,
no one deserves to get murdered by raving unhinged loonies.
There is an old saying that two wrongs don't make a right.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...pect-named-as-cardiff-resident-darren-osborne
is an unhinged violent drunk.
I would also add that the Muslims driving vans at people, stabbing etc
are also unhinged.
Yet here we are on a christian site arguing about the rights and wrongs about
unhinged people, trying to justify what they are doing. Debating one side against
the other etc. Sigh......
It doesn't matter whether people are Christians, Muslims, black, white, pink etc,
no one deserves to get murdered by raving unhinged loonies.
There is an old saying that two wrongs don't make a right.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...pect-named-as-cardiff-resident-darren-osborne
I do think you're right, but I also think when people speak out against "Islam" that sometimes that is taken to mean we are talking about Muslims. Muslims are people, they can all be different, they can believe different things and may very well be awesome people. Islam on the other hand is an evil ideology strait from the pit of hell. Lets not get the two twisted, and it is not hateful to condemn Islam to the up most. It is a false religious system brought to the world by the false prophet Mohammed. When I/anyone speaks the truth about this is not in itself hateful, although I do understand and agree it can be done with hatred. That is where I think that is where we can agree, we should be careful how we approach others with this, and we are called to do it in and with love. I understand that not all Muslims are jihadist, but if you think that's not what is taught in the Quran, then you need to read it (BTW I'm using "you" in this case generally, not using it as just you, I don't know exactly what you believe or know about it)
While I agree fully that not all Muslims are bad, that's just a silly thing to think or say anyway, I do think everything about Islam is evil, and will never be afraid of, or falsely shamed into silence on the matter. The Muslim people need to know the deception of Islam and the truth and freedom of Jesus Christ, and to hold that back in the name of political correctness is, in my opinion, the most hateful thing we can do to them.
While I agree fully that not all Muslims are bad, that's just a silly thing to think or say anyway, I do think everything about Islam is evil, and will never be afraid of, or falsely shamed into silence on the matter. The Muslim people need to know the deception of Islam and the truth and freedom of Jesus Christ, and to hold that back in the name of political correctness is, in my opinion, the most hateful thing we can do to them.
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I think some things about Islam are evil. There are also some very good things in Islam.
The extra problem is that Wahabism, an extremely violent sect of Islam, promulgated out of Saudi Arabia, (the West's big ally cough cough), has become very dominant recently.
Some aspects of Christianity are also very evil. Just because we say "Lord Lord," it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus views something as totally evil. Particularly evil is the Church trying to give the terrorist state of Israel a free pass to behave in a very evil manner.
The Zionist Church is just as much a part of the Church as Wahabism is a part of Islam. (Although many would say that ISIS isn't even Islamic, but stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Services).
The extra problem is that Wahabism, an extremely violent sect of Islam, promulgated out of Saudi Arabia, (the West's big ally cough cough), has become very dominant recently.
Some aspects of Christianity are also very evil. Just because we say "Lord Lord," it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus views something as totally evil. Particularly evil is the Church trying to give the terrorist state of Israel a free pass to behave in a very evil manner.
The Zionist Church is just as much a part of the Church as Wahabism is a part of Islam. (Although many would say that ISIS isn't even Islamic, but stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Services).
Of course you cant talk about the dangers of Islam without being accused of saying "all Muslims are terrorists" despite making the difference many times over and over again.
Its like you cant point out that its dangerous without being called some sort of racist. And its the only belief that has this protection, too. I could say that nazism is evil all day long, and no one would stand in defense of the Germans.
Because we all know that it is dangerous and wrong.
I can show verses where Islam commands to kill the unbeliever, where Islam states that their last day wont even come until the Muslims, all Muslims, have gathered against the Jews to kill them.
Doesnt matter though, cuz by showing this for the sake of others to learn how to defend their argument of how Islam is wrong, Im just racist against Muslims.
Obviously.
Im not sure where anyone gets the idea that we should love idolatry. God speaks out against it many times in the Bible. But even still, there are Christians who think its Gods will to love Islam.
But yeah, anywho, no. Its not even about Muslims. Its about helping Muslims and others see how Islam is both false and dangerous. Like it or not, Islam promotes murder and subjugation of non-believers. And while some will be okay with it and stay the path, there will be others who will leave Islam because of it.
EDIT: And two wrongs dont make a right, so showing how Muhammad was not the perfect example to live by is wrong?
I have a hard time believing that Christ would have defended Muhammads teachings : p
Its like you cant point out that its dangerous without being called some sort of racist. And its the only belief that has this protection, too. I could say that nazism is evil all day long, and no one would stand in defense of the Germans.
Because we all know that it is dangerous and wrong.
I can show verses where Islam commands to kill the unbeliever, where Islam states that their last day wont even come until the Muslims, all Muslims, have gathered against the Jews to kill them.
Doesnt matter though, cuz by showing this for the sake of others to learn how to defend their argument of how Islam is wrong, Im just racist against Muslims.
Obviously.
Im not sure where anyone gets the idea that we should love idolatry. God speaks out against it many times in the Bible. But even still, there are Christians who think its Gods will to love Islam.
But yeah, anywho, no. Its not even about Muslims. Its about helping Muslims and others see how Islam is both false and dangerous. Like it or not, Islam promotes murder and subjugation of non-believers. And while some will be okay with it and stay the path, there will be others who will leave Islam because of it.
EDIT: And two wrongs dont make a right, so showing how Muhammad was not the perfect example to live by is wrong?
I have a hard time believing that Christ would have defended Muhammads teachings : p
I have made this point a million times to the same people here over and over : p Theyll ignore it, and continue to accuse anyone who speaks out against Islam as being racist against all Muslims : p
They purposely turn Islam into people for the sake of putting down your argument. We can talk about how Mormonism is wrong day and night, or Catholicism. But talk about Islam, and suddenly its an issue of race.
They purposely turn Islam into people for the sake of putting down your argument. We can talk about how Mormonism is wrong day and night, or Catholicism. But talk about Islam, and suddenly its an issue of race.
There may be people who try to turn to Bible into justification to do evil, but the Bible and the quran are both objective doctrines. We can easily look into both of them to see what they teach their adherents. Christ did not make commands of violence or war. Muhammad made many commands of violence and war. Christ taught to love everyone, even your enemy, as God provides both for the righteous and unrighteous. Islam teaches god does not love the unrighteous, and that fighting them is a part of his wrath.
I would like to understand what part of Jesus teachings you would call evil. I would have to STRONGLY disagree with that, you do give an example of what men chose to do completely by thier/our own decisions, but what exactly does Jesus call us to do that you would call evil.
If I have to I can make a very LONG list of evil things Mohammed and his god call Muslims to do. See that's the difference. Even if you want to go to the old testament and point out hard things God ordered the Jews to do it would still be God telling the "theocracy of Israel" to do to another very particular group of people during that specific time. It is not marching orders for all people at all times as it is in the Quran. There is no comparison at all. I do understand what you mean as far as it maybe teaching some good things, when you don't dig and take them at face value, but please give me any verse or surah were allah promotes love or peace for anyone other than the Muslim. Just 1. This false equasion you're trying to make between these two belief systems is nothing more than propaganda we've been fed since 9/11, and has no basis in reality or the Quran.
Again I would love for you to back up you assertion that "Some aspects of Christianity are also very evil", because I call 100% bull on that one buddy.
If I have to I can make a very LONG list of evil things Mohammed and his god call Muslims to do. See that's the difference. Even if you want to go to the old testament and point out hard things God ordered the Jews to do it would still be God telling the "theocracy of Israel" to do to another very particular group of people during that specific time. It is not marching orders for all people at all times as it is in the Quran. There is no comparison at all. I do understand what you mean as far as it maybe teaching some good things, when you don't dig and take them at face value, but please give me any verse or surah were allah promotes love or peace for anyone other than the Muslim. Just 1. This false equasion you're trying to make between these two belief systems is nothing more than propaganda we've been fed since 9/11, and has no basis in reality or the Quran.
Again I would love for you to back up you assertion that "Some aspects of Christianity are also very evil", because I call 100% bull on that one buddy.