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​ And conservative doesn't necessarily mean Christian you know. No Christian would say this was right.
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I also wanted to point out that saying you dislike conservatives because a few say terrible things is hypocritical, I mean we dont say "all Muslims" because its both unfair and untrue. There are Muslim who dont want to fight and dont think its right.

If we know its wrong for one group, we shouldnt then go and say that about a different group.
 
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It is aimed at you.

Pokeyville? It is a town somewhere between Ma and Pa Kettle and Polookaville
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Hummm your age says 58 and your maturity says 5. Ok so why the rude comment? Having a bad day? Someone steal your blankie or would you like to continue this discussion as adults? You have no idea where Ive been. So lets try again.
 
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I also wanted to point out that saying you dislike conservatives because a few say terrible things is hypocritical, I mean we dont say "all Muslims" because its both unfair and untrue. There are Muslim who dont want to fight and dont think its right.

If we know its wrong for one group, we shouldnt then go and say that about a different group.
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I feel bad for secular Muslims,or those that do want peace and change. The issue is they are stuck in a religion that teaches murder and violence and those that hold to the "purest" form of Islam will murder them as infidels just as quick as they'd murder us. So they are pretty much in a no win situation.
 
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For the record I would never deny that horrible things have been done in the name of Christianity
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All that stuff that when on in the dark ages may have been done in the name of Jesus... but it was not done by Christians... it was mostly catholicks

The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ does not led people to murder other people in cold blood just cause they don't believe false catholick doctrine that doesn't come from God's Word in the first place!

It's always sad to see people be told that Christians did these evil things when we know it was not actually Christians but was instead carnal mind men thinking they were doing God a favor when in reality they were being led of the devil.



EDIT: My focus was on the whole using force against those who dont believe, as Muhammad commanded. No one should have that right.
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True followers of islam believe they have their right and this will not change.



killing leads to retaliation. Fighting hate with more hate leads to more hate.
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And in the OT when God commanded Israel to destroy entire nations of people.... it was for self defense, not out of hate because if God had not instructed them to take those folks out, they would have destroyed Israel.

Sometimes people are hell bent on your destruction and they leave you with only two options... kill them or they will kill you.

If it was just me, I wouldn't really care cause I'd rather be with the Lord than be here... but there is a whole society that needs to be protected from islam and until Jesus gets here force is the only thing islam understands and will be the only thing that is a deterrent to them.

Sue, individual muzlims will get born again here and there and will quit being muzlims (no such thing as a Christian muzlim since islam is a religion not a race), but over all we must use force to stop the spread of islam... and the desire to do is is already getting smaller and we can see the result is islam is growing rapidly and with it taking even more people to heLL.

Self defense is not a sin before the Lord... if it were, then God has already sinned which of course is not even possible.

Luke 18:7,8
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?




blah blah blah, what's the furthest you've ever ventured out of Pokeyville?
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Maybe you should go live in Saudia Arabia for a while... maybe learn more about islam first hand... maybe Iran
 
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True followers of islam believe they have their right and this will not change.
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When it gets to that level, then theres a need to fight back.
(of course I mean with the military/ police force. I do not believe its okay for people to take to the streets and attack others)
 
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When it gets to that level, then theres a need to fight back.
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Yeah... have you been following world events in the past few decades???

It has already gotten to that level... if the west does not oppose them with force, then they will conquer the west primarily the settling refugees in large numbers and eventually taking over governments of the countries they are in.

islam teaches this to their people... but ignorant liberals in the west are indoctrinated by satan to be "politically correct" so most people are blind and ignorant as to what is going on.
 
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All that stuff that when on in the dark ages may have been done in the name of Jesus... but it was not done by Christians... it was mostly catholicks

The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ does not led people to murder other people in cold blood just cause they don't believe false catholick doctrine that doesn't come from God's Word in the first place!

It's always sad to see people be told that Christians did these evil things when we know it was not actually Christians but was instead carnal mind men thinking they were doing God a favor when in reality they were being led of the devil.





True followers of islam believe they have their right and this will not change.





And in the OT when God commanded Israel to destroy entire nations of people.... it was for self defense, not out of hate because if God had not instructed them to take those folks out, they would have destroyed Israel.

Sometimes people are hell bent on your destruction and they leave you with only two options... kill them or they will kill you.

If it was just me, I wouldn't really care cause I'd rather be with the Lord than be here... but there is a whole society that needs to be protected from islam and until Jesus gets here force is the only thing islam understands and will be the only thing that is a deterrent to them.

Sue, individual muzlims will get born again here and there and will quit being muzlims (no such thing as a Christian muzlim since islam is a religion not a race), but over all we must use force to stop the spread of islam... and the desire to do is is already getting smaller and we can see the result is islam is growing rapidly and with it taking even more people to heLL.

Self defense is not a sin before the Lord... if it were, then God has already sinned which of course is not even possible.

Luke 18:7,8
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?






Maybe you should go live in Saudia Arabia for a while... maybe learn more about islam first hand... maybe Iran
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Maybe you should go live in Saudia Arabia for a while... maybe learn more about islam first hand... maybe Iran[/QUOTE said:
​ Wont make any impact because he's a man,now if he had to live as a woman under Islam that would be a different story.
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​ Wont make any impact because he's a man,now if he had to live as a woman under Islam that would be a different story.
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What do you mean "he's a man now"???

If she is one of those that plays like they are a man now... yeah, they'd love for someone like this to come visit them over in Iran.

I'm sure they will have a special, gathering to welcome a person like this!... for target practice
 
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What do you mean "he's a man now"???

If she is one of those that plays like they are a man now... yeah, they'd love for someone like this to come visit them over in Iran.

I'm sure they will have a special, gathering to welcome a person like this!
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No,I was talking about J7 being a man. When you said go live in Iran,its not as hard for a man to live in an Islamic country as it is for a woman. Or were you talking to someone else when you said "go live in Iran"?
 
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Yeah... have you been following world events in the past few decades???

It has already gotten to that level... if the west does not oppose them with force, then they will conquer the west primarily the settling refugees in large numbers and eventually taking over governments of the countries they are in.

islam teaches this to their people... but ignorant liberals in the west are indoctrinated by satan to be "politically correct" so most people are blind and ignorant as to what is going on.
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Id agree that those who wish to carry out attacks on Islam need to be dealt with, but that is a minority of Muslims.

I dont think that attacking all Muslims is in any way good. It also would not guide them to Christ.

I think the best path there is to be completely honest and accept that Islam is in fact violent, and does not fit with western values. We should treat it the same as we treat any other ideology that promotes hate and violence. We should disapprove of it, and that will help many others see that it is not the right path.

We just need to get past the idea that seeing Islam for what it is is somehow racist.
 
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No,I was talking about J7 being a man. When you said go live in Iran,its not as hard for a man to live in an Islamic country as it is for a woman. Or were you talking to someone else when you said "go live in Iran"?
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It would be if he declared Christ as our Lord and Savior : p
 
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its not as hard for a man to live in an Islamic country as it is for a woman
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Man or woman... go openly live as a Christian and it'll change one's mind about islam being a "religion of peace"
 
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Man or woman... go openly live as a Christian and it'll change one's mind about islam being a "religion of peace"
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She knows better, she doesnt not shame those who speak out against Islam.
 
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All that stuff that when on in the dark ages may have been done in the name of Jesus... but it was not done by Christians... it was mostly catholicks

The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ does not led people to murder other people in cold blood just cause they don't believe false catholick doctrine that doesn't come from God's Word in the first place!

It's always sad to see people be told that Christians did these evil things when we know it was not actually Christians but was instead carnal mind men thinking they were doing God a favor when in reality they were being led of the devil.
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I agree with what you're saying, but to anyone that has not been reborn into Christ doesn't understand it that way. I wasn't saying true Christians did these things at all, but that doesn't change the fact terrible things have been done in the name of Christ, it sucks but is true. Please try not to put words into my mouth.
 
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Man or woman... go openly live as a Christian and it'll change one's mind about islam being a "religion of peace"
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Ha! Thats certainly true! When someone tells me Islam is a religion of peace I know they know absolutely nothing about the belief.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
She knows better, she doesnt not shame those who speak out against Islam.
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"Doesnt not shame"

I really need to spend more time checking my posts before posting them, Im always in too much of a hurry when online : p
 
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The difference is that the evils done in the name of Islam are justified by the teachings of Islam in the quran and the hadiths, where the evils done in the name of Christianity were done against the Bible.
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Some people can't seem to get this salient fact through their thick skulls...
 
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Some people can't seem to get this salient fact through their thick skulls...
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It can be frustrating, yeah. You pointed out like a few months ago that people assume that Islam is like Christianity, even though it goes against so many Christian teachings.

It doesnt just talk about violence that has happened, it makes the command for constant war until the last day. But most people dont actually know what Islam really teaches, and just assume that its exactly like Christianity, and Christians just hate Muslims just cuz. It can be frustrating having to explain the difference to people all the time.
 
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It can be frustrating, yeah. You pointed out like a few months ago that people assume that Islam is like Christianity, even though it goes against so many Christian teachings.

It doesnt just talk about violence that has happened, it makes the command for constant war until the last day. But most people dont actually know what Islam really teaches, and just assume that its exactly like Christianity, and Christians just hate Muslims just cuz. It can be frustrating having to explain the difference to people all the time.
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It is true most people do not know what Islam actually teaches, and when you tell them, some people complain and grumble and name call and deny the facts, preferring their delusions and falsifications over knowing the truth. All religions are not the same... and Sharia is mandated in Islam. All other forms of government are rejected by "Allah" as being sin and therefore unacceptable. I have posted this information, as have you, and Jim, and others, many times. Still some will boo hoo and cry about how Christians have perpetrated crimes against humanity as if there were some valid correlation between what Christianity teaches and what Islam teaches to justify acts of brutality, violence, and sex crimes... it is as if they are completely blind to the fact that the ideal person held up by Muslims is an adulterous war mongering pedophile.
 
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I agree with what you're saying, but to anyone that has not been reborn into Christ doesn't understand it that way. I wasn't saying true Christians did these things at all, but that doesn't change the fact terrible things have been done in the name of Christ, it sucks but is true. Please try not to put words into my mouth.
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Doesn't change the fact that it was not Christians doing those terrible things.

In warfare, one of the oldest tricks in the book is to go attack someone and try to make it look as though someone else had attacked so the blame and anger is directed towards a third party that had nothing to do with the attack to turn people against the third party.

satan knows this and this is exactly what he has done and continues to do especially with false teaching that is so popular in the modern so called "enlightened" times in which we live. (such as blaming God for sickness and poverty)

I was not speaking of you personally, so no need to take it personally. I was simply making a general statement on the subject.

If one wants to have some real fun... go talk to some catholicks about how thier religion used to murder protestants just because they refused to believe catholick teaching that does not even come from God's Word... including their own version of the Bible (douay-rheims so-called "bible") no less.

That's be like trying to convince some religious Jews that Jesus Christ is the Messiah they've been waiting on all along... yeah, they gonna be some strife and arguing in loud voices!
 
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