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mailmandan said:
Our leadership in the U.S. seem to be in a Catch 22. The harder they push for the shutting down of businesses and keeping people at home, the more lives they may save, but at the cost of the US economy, which will also have a ripple effect worldwide. But if they loosen up on the restrictions in order to help save the economy, then they risk the virus spreading more and becoming an even greater risk to our citizens. Slamming the brakes on our economy will cause devastating pain on many people with lost jobs, lost wages, lost pensions and even bankruptcy. Regardless of what decisions are made, the fingers will still get pointed at our leadership for not making the right choices at the right time.
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Not only that,but many will get a paid vacation

Those having to do without are gonna be rightfully resentful.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
It is unfortunate we have such a mainstream media bias either to the left or right and in events like these where life is at stake. We have no idea how severe or cautious we need to be. The herd mentality takes over. When I was in NJROTC we had to practice a fire drill with blindfolds. Because in a ship if the power and backup power failed in a explosion or fire then everything goes dark and your only way out is by feeling and memory.

They would tell us where the fire was at but could you believe that in the panic one person went the wrong way towards the fire. Then others by touch followed the same individual without thinking twice. In real life that could of easily been the death of 8 people from the panic of 1. Panic and fear spreads quickly and before you know it, now the room is in chaos. It takes one individual to ear a fire cracked or backfiring of a car to send them running nowadays. Once they run, others run for no reason other than others are running.

Our fight or flight reaction kicks in but unfortunately without the facts staying to fight against a tidal wave will probably end in death. Or to flee from a toxic chemical explosion according to which direction the wind is blowing, could be you fleeing directly into its path.

Improper training and crisis protocols leads to these type of knee jerk reactions. Act off of instinct and emotions. A logical response takes training, and event procedures provides us with a guideline how every situation should be handled on a basic level so that everyone is equipped with the same mindset. A nuclear reactor explosion like Chernobyl calls for a whole different response that the Russians wasn't prepared for. It ended with probably millions of deaths as the radiation clouds blew into Europe.
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Much of trumps overkill is due to Democrats insanity.
He HAS TO OVERREACT.
I f he does not,they will roast him.
The media is a hair short of captivating trump followers.
If they ever do,it is over.
We are one election away from a communist leadership.
The entire future of our country is riding on trumps actions for the next few months.

The wu flu will end shortly.

The effects of the overkill and PREEMPTIVE shutdows are now a precedent for insane Democrats to do preemptive shutdowns at will.

Just like all the people here are framing the shutdowns as "anyone not agreeing with overkill is heartless and a narcissist"
That false appeal to emotion is gonna bite this country big time.
Preemptive shutdowns are now future weapons to guarantee bills passed by dems on the wave of false hysreria.
Look at how tempting bio warfare has become.
Brought and packaged for you by dems.
Now any ole flu will work.

You heard it here first
 
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The flu season is here.
OMG WE PREDICT 39000 DEATHS.

We have NO CHOICE but to shut everything down.

You watch

It is coming
 
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So yeah
Be smart

Stock up on toilet paper

Join the insanity of shutting down the country.
 
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Absolutely said:
Much of trumps overkill is due to Democrats insanity.
He HAS TO OVERREACT.
I f he does not,they will roast him.
The media is a hair short of captivating trump followers.
If they ever do,it is over.
We are one election away from a communist leadership.
The entire future of our country is riding on trumps actions for the next few months.

The wu flu will end shortly.

The effects of the overkill and PREEMPTIVE shutdows are now a precedent for insane Democrats to do preemptive shutdowns at will.

Just like all the people here are framing the shutdowns as "anyone not agreeing with overkill is heartless and a narcissist"
That false appeal to emotion is gonna bite this country big time.
Preemptive shutdowns are now future weapons to guarantee bills passed by dems on the wave of false hysreria.
Look at how tempting bio warfare has become.
Brought and packaged for you by dems.
Now any ole flu will work.

You heard it here first
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Yeah the buck stops with the President, he makes the final decisions, he did not have to do anything... he could have let the chips fall where they may.
 
StrugglingTilMyReward

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Let's use Italy and influenza to see how bad this is. During the 2016/2017 flu season the International Journal of Infectious Diseases (IJID) estimates that almost 25,000 Italians died from the flu. Right now Italy's death toll from Covid-19 is estimated to be approaching 10,000....so putting this in perspective, if the current death toll climbs another 150% then it will have reached what experts would regard as a particularily bad flu season.

I do believe the media is sensationalizing this, and that our governments are over reacting....yes there's a big toll on the health care systems of many countries, Covid-19 is hitting at the same time as seasonal flu. As everyone keeps saying, this is an evolving situation, I hope and pray that Donald Trump's reaction of late, saying he wants America up and operating as normal by Easter, I hope and pray he is right and that the worst case scenario is that this ends up being like a bad flu season.
 
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StrugglingTilMyReward said:
Let's use Italy and influenza to see how bad this is. During the 2016/2017 flu season the International Journal of Infectious Diseases (IJID) estimates that almost 25,000 Italians died from the flu. Right now Italy's death toll from Covid-19 is estimated to be approaching 10,000....so putting this in perspective, if the current death toll climbs another 150% then it will have reached what experts would regard as a particularily bad flu season.

I do believe the media is sensationalizing this, and that our governments are over reacting....yes there's a big toll on the health care systems of many countries, Covid-19 is hitting at the same time as seasonal flu. As everyone keeps saying, this is an evolving situation, I hope and pray that Donald Trump's reaction of late, saying he wants America up and operating as normal by Easter, I hope and pray he is right and that the worst case scenario is that this ends up being like a bad flu season.
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If this virus was like a flu virus it would be comparable, it isn't.
 
CharliRenee

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It is scary the toll is taking on our economy. I wonder, will we recover? How many businesses will have to permanently shut down. How many whose retirement savings and security has been wiped out? How many lives may be threatened because of economical devastation. What will happen if many lose their homes. I may lose mine.


HOWEVER.. we have to be good stewards of the vulnerable. What do we do, just let the shoes drop where they may.? What about the impact this would have on the hospitals? It is a scales thing right? It is a tough situation for ALL, either way.

No matter what, God is in control! I take so much comfort in this truth!!!

I hope you all are well in all ways. I know it is challenging in all ways.


There is something we can do besides pray and social distance. We can all give blood. Red cross is asking us to help.
 
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CharliRenee said:
It is scary the toll is taking on our economy. I wonder, will we recover? How many businesses will have to permanently shut down. How many whose retirement savings and security has been wiped out? How many lives may be threatened because of economical devastation. What will happen if many lose their homes. I may lose mine.


HOWEVER.. we have to be good stewards of the vulnerable. What do we do, just let the shoes drop where they may.? What about the impact this would have on the hospitals? It is a scales thing right? It is a tough situation for ALL, either way.

No matter what, God is in control! I take so much comfort in this truth!!!

I hope you all are well in all ways. I know it is challenging in all ways.


There is something we can do besides pray and social distance. We can all give blood. Red cross is asking us to help.
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A reasonable response ... the recklessness view of some is baffling and not good.
Especially since is not even based upon sound knowledge and facts.
 
blue_ladybug

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Trump is an idiot.. A rich, entitled, fake orange-tanned idiot..

This virus supposedly came here on a cruise ship? So you're telling me that people from EVERY country, EVERY town and city, EVERY United States states, were on that cruise ship?? I think not..
 
StrugglingTilMyReward

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EleventhHour said:
If this virus was like a flu virus it would be comparable, it isn't.
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It is like it, don't just make blanket statements as if they're fact and not provide anything to substantiate your POV, that's what Trump's detractors say he and his supporters do. Here's an article with some facts, there are many similarities...the difference is that Covid-19 does not as yet seem to be as deadly as the flu, particularily for infants....influenza is incredibly lethal with new borns but Covid-19 is not and scientists are trying to understand why. The biggest difference is that flu strains are better known.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
 
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where we live, the semi-over-reaction-panic-mode is almost completely gone - people are walking and talking
and buying about as usual - yes, there will always be the extreme panickers, whom the powers that be target,
and this is the vast majority, but in our neighborhood, this is simply no so.
we feel that the 'world-wide' reaction will subside as the 'flu' takes its natural course...

just for statistical comparison, anyone can go to the CDC' and 'compare' the 2009' flu's death toll,
and you will see that it was a lot worse that what we are being FED Today...

and so; may we all be brave and secure enough to ask ourselves in our Faith,
'are we going to listen to the prince of the power of the air',
or to our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ for our comfort and answers???
 
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