Who do you suspect are the members of the American Deep State?

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Dem

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That's not even funny when the illegal FISA warrants obtained under Obama against Trump and his campaign are a matter of public record. And as such had been reported for months.
No prof Obama did not obtain any illegal documents Stop with the Obama stuff sounds like something from the Alex Jones channel of hate.... Its is trump that threw america under the bus right on tv trump is controlled by Putin. trump tells more lies in one day then all the presidents of this country put together.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ispel-witch-hunt-claims-from-trump-nunes.html
 

OstrichSmiling

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No prof Obama did not obtain any illegal documents Stop with the Obama stuff sounds like something from the Alex Jones channel of hate.... Its is trump that threw america under the bus right on tv trump is controlled by Putin. trump tells more lies in one day then all the presidents of this country put together.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ispel-witch-hunt-claims-from-trump-nunes.html

Jan.20,2018
Stunning: Every Dem. on Intel Committee Votes Against Letting Congress See FISA Memo


The time frame has to be considered. This was during Obama's Presidency, during the Hillary Clinton Presidential campaign.



 

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OstrichSmiling

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Ofcourse they are going to vote against a lie from the right just like the right would vote against a lie from the left geez it is the same old garbage from trump he makes things up just to take the focus off of his junk.
How do the Democrats in the Intelligence Committee rule against releasing that evidence that would prove Trump is lying about the memo?
 

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NEWS flash the deep state just hired bugs bunny and porky pig we are really in for it now
 

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Well it has all ready been confirmed that most of the mainstream media is. Obviously Google, Yahoo, Facebook, and Twitter are part of it, that has not only been confirmed, but they are pretty blunt about it anymore, they don't even try to pretend. Most all of the universities are. Most all of the TV Networks are. Most all of the internet is. Hollywood has been for a long time, but that's never exactly been a secret.


I would also say it's not even just the fact that the Deep State and their leftwing allies' exist in and of itself that is the problem. Their existence is really not that concerning or shocking because most of it is so transparent and obvious and has been known about even before President Trump was appointed to stump them. The deeper concern is the many nefarious agendas which the Deep State and their cohorts on the leftwing and in foreign governments and foreign religious power structures seek to perpetrate.
what if they were right wing allies or no wing allies. I know it is the three stooges and mickey mouse that are running the deep state. yep I am convinced.
 
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Could somebody please explain the necessary connection between this topic and the various streams of Christian theology?
 

p_rehbein

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I don't know all of them by name, but MailmanDan knows where they live........He delivers their mail!

I understand he s sworn to secrecy though.........sooooo
 

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Bureaucrats in Washington are waging a civil war against the Trump administration.
He said he wanted to “drain the swamp,” but the swamp is fighting back.

Many commentators are saying that something called the “deep state” is trying to
exert its control over the United States government to the point of forcing President
Trump from office.

Republican strategist Roger Stone said that if globalists within the government suc-
ceed in ousting President Trump, a “spasm of violence” could erupt. Some describe
the nation as hurtling toward rioting and urban warfare.

Such warnings sound extreme. But to know how seriously you should take the deep-
state threat, you have to understand what it is and why it is fighting President Trump.

How much power do unelected bureaucrats and intelligence agents
wield inside the United States government?

Is the ‘Deep State’ Real?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/17284-is-the-deep-state-real


The Fourth Branch of Government
Whether we call it the deep state or something else, it is undeniable that Washington has
a deeply embedded bureaucracy that has existed for decades. Many of these bureaucrats
staunchly oppose President Trump and his inner circle.

The problems this reality creates represent an enormous distortion
of how America’s Founding Fathers established the government.
 

prove-all

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Trump appointed the republican people who are in charge now. FBI, CIA, etc.
Early presidents were assisted by a limited number of officials whom they nominated and
appointed. About 1,000 nonmilitary employees assisted George Washington. A century
later, about 40,000 nonmilitary employees assisted Benjamin Harrison. Less than 50 years
later, Franklin Roosevelt swelled the number of federal bureaucrats to an all-time high
of 3.5 million nonmilitary employees.

Today, there are 2,794,000 federal employees in 15 departments, 69 agencies and 383
nonmilitary sub-agencies. This sprawling administrative state consumed $3.98 trillion
in 2017, one fifth of America’s total economic output.

These unelected bureaucrats are technically supposed to report to the president, but there
are far too many of them to manage. New presidents appoint less than 1 percent of federal
positions. The other 99 percent are career bureaucrats. This is why most federal agencies
have evolved into independent entities over which the president has limited control. The
deep state doesn’t just consist of intelligence agents; it’s much bigger than that.

This is seriously concerning to anyone who believes America’s strength, stability and
survival depend on the principles of individual freedom in constitutional government.
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“This exponential growth has led to increasing power and independence for agencies,”
wrote Georgetown law professor Jonathan Turley in a Washington Post editorial.
“The shift of authority has been staggering. The fourth branch now has a larger practical
impact on the lives of citizens than all the other branches combined” (May 24, 2013).

One study found that elected lawmakers in Congress enacted 138 public laws in 2007—
whereas unelected federal bureaucrats established 2,926 regulations. A similar study
found that federal judges conduct roughly 95,000 proceedings each year, compared to
939,000 cases tried by administrative “courts” tied to individual federal agencies in
the executive branch.

Subverting the separation of powers established in the Constitution, many federal
bureaucracies possess all three powers of the legislature (regulations), the judiciary
(administrative “courts”) and the executive (enforcement by armed agents).

If Americans are no longer governed by laws passed by their elected representatives,
they no longer live in a democratic republic. They live in an authoritarian technocracy run
by powerful, unelected bureaucrats, civil servants, military leaders and intelligence agents.
 

prove-all

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No prof Obama did not obtain any illegal documents Stop with the Obama stuff
sounds like something from the Alex Jones channel of hate....
Nothing short of Treason

On Oct. 21, 2016, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice presented a vile, deceitful dossier to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (fisa) court. The 35-page report was compiled by British former MI-6 intelligence agent Christopher Steele and paid for by Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. It was to be used as opposition research, to smear and slander her political opponent. The dossier accused Donald Trump of escapades with Russian prostitutes, among other things. Not one bit of the dossier was verified, yet United States law enforcement agencies used it to obtain approval to spy on Trump campaign staff member Carter Page. That opened the door for spying on everyone surrounding Mr. Trump.

On Jan. 5, 2017, outgoing President Barack Obama and his team held a crucial meeting with top federal law enforcement officials including then fbi director James Comey, National Security Agency director Michael Rogers, Central Intelligence Agency director John Brennan, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. “The officials in the meeting would need to figure out how the investigation [of Carter Page and the Trump campaign] could continue despite the fact that its central focus, Trump, was about to be sworn in as president,” wrote Andrew McCarthy for National Review on February 15.


These officials, led by Obama, were trying to figure out how to continue an investigation on the next sitting president, who would be their own boss! And it was based on a deceitful premise—what was essentially political propaganda!

McCarthy continued: “Obama had incredibly claimed that he never intervened in cases under investigation by the Justice Department and fbi. He was emphatic in an April 2016 interview with Fox’s Chris Wallace: ‘I do not talk to the attorney general about pending investigations. I do not talk to fbi directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it.’”

That was an egregious lie! President Obama was deeply involved in investigations. He had lobbied on national television for Hillary Clinton not to be indicted and possibly even sent to jail before the 2016 election. That was a signal to his law enforcement cronies to leave her alone. Later, Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Comey even changed the wording of a document to call the “investigation” into her criminal activity just a “matter,” surely at the president’s request.

This article continued, “Obama officials claimed to adhere to a book that forbade consultations between political leaders and investigators. But here they were consulting”—during that January 5 meeting. And what were they consulting about? How to keep the investigation of Donald Trump going even after he became president!

Mr. Trump was set to be briefed on the Steele dossier the next day, January 6. As McCarthy wrote, it is almost certain that Comey only described a sliver of that report to the president-elect—the embarrassing sexual allegations—so Mr. Trump would allow the investigation to continue and to clear his name. Comey must have left out the part about collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians because there is no way Mr. Trump would have approved an investigation that considered him a criminal suspect! “The main purpose of counterintelligence operations is to keep the president informed; but when it came to the incoming president, law enforcement leaders treated the Russia investigation like a criminal probe in which Trump was a suspect,” McCarthy wrote (emphasis his).
 

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Anonymous New York Times Op-Ed Actually Confirms ‘Deep State’ Is Real

Irony: Unelected bureaucrats say they are defending ‘democracy’ by actively
undermining the man the people elected to be president.

The fact that unelected bureaucrats inside President Donald Trump’s own administration
are trying to thwart his agenda is hardly new information. Since President Trump was elected,
a large amount of classified information has leaked from the government to the press.

The majority of this information from anonymous sources has been designed to discredit,
damage and possibly end his presidency.

Since political leftists do not control any of the three coequal branches of government
—legislative, executive or judicial—they are turning to unelected bureaucrats to push
their agenda. By publishing this op-ed, the New York Times is trying to drum up support
for a group of “like-minded” officials working to undermine the U.S. Constitution.


These scandals, investigations, accusations and lies within the government are absolutely
bewildering to many. But it all comes down to one definite, disturbing fact: The federal
government is at war with itself.
 

Odelschwanck

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The New York Times is reporting something that sure sounds like Deep State...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html

The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.
Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials.
Rod Rosenstein is claiming that their article is false.
 

oldethennew

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Anonymous New York Times Op-Ed Actually Confirms ‘Deep State’ Is Real

Irony: Unelected bureaucrats say they are defending ‘democracy’ by actively
undermining the man the people elected to be president.

The fact that unelected bureaucrats inside President Donald Trump’s own administration
are trying to thwart his agenda is hardly new information. Since President Trump was elected,
a large amount of classified information has leaked from the government to the press.

The majority of this information from anonymous sources has been designed to discredit,
damage and possibly end his presidency.

Since political leftists do not control any of the three coequal branches of government
—legislative, executive or judicial—they are turning to unelected bureaucrats to push
their agenda. By publishing this op-ed, the New York Times is trying to drum up support
for a group of “like-minded” officials working to undermine the U.S. Constitution.


These scandals, investigations, accusations and lies within the government are absolutely
bewildering to many. But it all comes down to one definite, disturbing fact: The federal
government is at war with itself.
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amen!!!

this current mode of 'attacking' each and everything and opposing each at every turn,
and actually not giving a care in the world of the words that they speak, it is so very obvious
that the people who 'run' our nation/influencing, are serving a demonic god, instead of our Holy God Almighty...