Who is voting for Trump again?

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Roughsoul1991

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"p_rehbein, post: 3992337, member: 174109"

It's just speculation for now.........the majority of it.

As for that last part, neither Pence or Hunter are viewed as far right conservatives..........

(Christians in general are now viewed as far right conservatives or anyone who holds traditional values.)

There is a lot wrong with selling stuff as "the greatest ever.........." simply because what he has done has yet to rise to that level except for in his mind and the minds of those who blindly support him.......

(I literally watch commercials all the time that says their product is the best and outperforms all the others. Just simple advertising when selling products or selling idea. Remember he was never a politician.)

Lies? seriously? Goodness............where to start? Do a "search" and count for yourself.

( It is all according to context. I watch and read the news all the time. They twist and slander his words and past. Obviously everyone has at one time or another under pressure lied. Also at 72 years old things done in the past can be forgotten. But in context was the lie worth a uproar or impeachment? This is why you have to be more specific.)

IF the decline of the Markets are "related to many factors," so is the rise.....thus, to give Trump the credit for one, we must give him credit for the other as well.......it's just the way it is.

( True and false according to the factors. For example true that the tariff war affects the stock market. Also true that EPA leniency under Trump has greatly helped the oil, coal, and manufacturers which creates jobs and supports the economy. All factors have to be considered when judging President Trump on economy issues.)

Fighting back against Big Pharm is great. I wish him luck. But, the problem is (and has been since he first ran for Office) that he can not do very much on his own. He needs both Houses of Congress and a supportive SCOTUS to do anything earthshaking or some such. He HAD all that the first two years, and what happend? He did NOT have the overwhelming support of the Republicans in Congress........ The few major achievements really were accomplished by McConnell and the Repubs in Congress........ As with the SCOTUS appointment. Trump nominated, but his Staff failed to convert one single Dem to vote for the Nominee. McConnell had to step in and pull the trigger on the Nuclear Option to get the Nominee appointed. Tax cuts/changes........... same thing. The Congress pulled it off.

( All of this has nothing to do with voting for Trump. But instead voting for better state representatives. )

No wall

( Trump has been working on the wall and just recently was able to get funds from the department of defense to help build more miles of the wall.)

No death blow to Obama Care

(A death blow instantaneously is politically terrible as you instantly end everyone's healthcare who was on the system. Anything healthcare or social program has to be weaned off slowly and thankfully the Republicans did end the forced penalty payment for all who didn't have insurance.)


Not a single action against Abortion on Demand passed

( Too many actions have been done to list in this post but here is atleast 11 to look into.
https://www.sba-list.org/trump-pro-life-wins)

Still...............in spite of what I can only rate as an "average" first term..........he may be better than any Dem running. I haven't really paid attention to them because I'm simply not interested.

Trump is no "savior" of the Conservative Movement!

( No savior but only one small step in the right direction. It is up to us to keep it going.)

Anyway, to each his own...........I don't really care........my life has reached a stage where the games Politicians play don't have a realistic effect on me.......so why bother?

(Maybe not you but for your kids, grandkids, and fellow neighbor you should care for those around you and future generations. Loving your neighbor extends to your society as well.)
 

p_rehbein

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Yeah, but, the cost of living there is outrageous......seriously.............AND......Christians there are so outnumbered that if they were a creature species, they would be on the "endangered species" list. :)

Still, a beautiful coastline........and I LOVE AVOCADOS.....

So, I might visit, but I would never live there. I'd have to live in a park in a tent or some such.....
 

p_rehbein

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"p_rehbein, post: 3992337, member: 174109"

It's just speculation for now.........the majority of it.

As for that last part, neither Pence or Hunter are viewed as far right conservatives..........

(Christians in general are now viewed as far right conservatives or anyone who holds traditional values.)

There is a lot wrong with selling stuff as "the greatest ever.........." simply because what he has done has yet to rise to that level except for in his mind and the minds of those who blindly support him.......

(I literally watch commercials all the time that says their product is the best and outperforms all the others. Just simple advertising when selling products or selling idea. Remember he was never a politician.)

Lies? seriously? Goodness............where to start? Do a "search" and count for yourself.

( It is all according to context. I watch and read the news all the time. They twist and slander his words and past. Obviously everyone has at one time or another under pressure lied. Also at 72 years old things done in the past can be forgotten. But in context was the lie worth a uproar or impeachment? This is why you have to be more specific.)

IF the decline of the Markets are "related to many factors," so is the rise.....thus, to give Trump the credit for one, we must give him credit for the other as well.......it's just the way it is.

( True and false according to the factors. For example true that the tariff war affects the stock market. Also true that EPA leniency under Trump has greatly helped the oil, coal, and manufacturers which creates jobs and supports the economy. All factors have to be considered when judging President Trump on economy issues.)

Fighting back against Big Pharm is great. I wish him luck. But, the problem is (and has been since he first ran for Office) that he can not do very much on his own. He needs both Houses of Congress and a supportive SCOTUS to do anything earthshaking or some such. He HAD all that the first two years, and what happend? He did NOT have the overwhelming support of the Republicans in Congress........ The few major achievements really were accomplished by McConnell and the Repubs in Congress........ As with the SCOTUS appointment. Trump nominated, but his Staff failed to convert one single Dem to vote for the Nominee. McConnell had to step in and pull the trigger on the Nuclear Option to get the Nominee appointed. Tax cuts/changes........... same thing. The Congress pulled it off.

( All of this has nothing to do with voting for Trump. But instead voting for better state representatives. )

No wall

( Trump has been working on the wall and just recently was able to get funds from the department of defense to help build more miles of the wall.)

No death blow to Obama Care

(A death blow instantaneously is politically terrible as you instantly end everyone's healthcare who was on the system. Anything healthcare or social program has to be weaned off slowly and thankfully the Republicans did end the forced penalty payment for all who didn't have insurance.)

Not a single action against Abortion on Demand passed

( Too many actions have been done to list in this post but here is atleast 11 to look into.
https://www.sba-list.org/trump-pro-life-wins)

Still...............in spite of what I can only rate as an "average" first term..........he may be better than any Dem running. I haven't really paid attention to them because I'm simply not interested.

Trump is no "savior" of the Conservative Movement!

( No savior but only one small step in the right direction. It is up to us to keep it going.)

Anyway, to each his own...........I don't really care........my life has reached a stage where the games Politicians play don't have a realistic effect on me.......so why bother?

(Maybe not you but for your kids, grandkids, and fellow neighbor you should care for those around you and future generations. Loving your neighbor extends to your society as well.)
We will disagree...........agree to do so..........IMO Trump in only just better than Obama, and he (Obama) is the only President that was worse than Carter. As for caring for those around and such........I can do far more sharing the Gospel with them than supporting Trump, or any other Politician. People who want to chain themselves to this world pay a dear price for doing so.........becoming enslaved to the corrupt system that is our Government on all levels. Caring for those around can be accomplished far more effectively through the local church congregation than by supporting Politicians.


The wins n such you are speaking of have not done a thing to overturn Roe v. Wade, or slow down the tide of murdered babies...........mostly, they are just window dressing. Yes, it's good to get that kind of win.....but to believe Trump is the reason, and we would not have gotten them without him is an unfounded belief IMO.

Hey, if your a die hard Trump guy......that's fine........but, goodness, he ain't all that.
 

Roughsoul1991

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"p_rehbein, post: 3992467, member: 174109"

We will disagree...........agree to do so..........IMO Trump in only just better than Obama, and he (Obama) is the only President that was worse than Carter. As for caring for those around and such........I can do far more sharing the Gospel with them than supporting Trump, or any other Politician. People who want to chain themselves to this world pay a dear price for doing so.........becoming enslaved to the corrupt system that is our Government on all levels. Caring for those around can be accomplished far more effectively through the local church congregation than by supporting Politicians.

(Politics is extremely important for sharing the gospel. If you don't believe me then compare the political differences between North and South Korea. Whole lot easier to share the gospel in South Korea. Prophets was involved in politics, Paul was involved, and ultimately Jesus was involved in politics.)


The wins n such you are speaking of have not done a thing to overturn Roe v. Wade, or slow down the tide of murdered babies...........mostly, they are just window dressing. Yes, it's good to get that kind of win.....but to believe Trump is the reason, and we would not have gotten them without him is an unfounded belief IMO.

( Again nothing happens over night but due to this pro life support Alabama passed the most extreme pro life legislation that is in direct violation to the federal law of Roe. In which means now in the future the supreme court will be forced to reexamine Roe and due to Trump's conservative judges we have a greater chance to overturn it. And yes all of these steps have made it only harder for people to have abortions legally.)

Hey, if your a die hard Trump guy......that's fine........but, goodness, he ain't all that.

(This is why you have to be specific because I support good policies from whoever it may be. Trump has many flaws and I also call them out when he says or does things in a bad way but I also promote the good things also. Overall the hate for him is largely just liberal propaganda and the hate for conservative ideals. Much of the hate is hypocritical as the opposition is hypocritically worse.

I like the ministry of Franklin Graham and he has a great perspective on this subject. Graham said recently that, "Trump Will Stay President Until God's Vision Is Complete. " Graham believes that religious liberty is under siege from the media, and that Christians need to get behind the government-led campaign for greater religious freedom.




https://onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2018/05/04/franklin-graham-god-put-trump-in-office )
 

notuptome

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Yeah, but, the cost of living there is outrageous......seriously.............AND......Christians there are so outnumbered that if they were a creature species, they would be on the "endangered species" list. :)

Still, a beautiful coastline........and I LOVE AVOCADOS.....

So, I might visit, but I would never live there. I'd have to live in a park in a tent or some such.....
Take your own box and stay on the street. Watch out for the rats.

Curious that the government blocks Christian charities for trying to help.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Dude653

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What they really need to do is curb the drug trade, by stopping it as simple as that. If people stop buying it, drugs, weapons, porn, violent movies etc then theres no market, however illegal, you wont have this problem.
The War on Drugs is a scam.
Private owned prisons are making a fortune courtesy of our tax dollars
 

Smooth

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The War on Drugs is a scam.
Private owned prisons are making a fortune courtesy of our tax dollars
Then you should build your own prison.
Capitalism, baby! 😎
 
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Susanna

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I have decided to not vote for Trump again.

He’s performing well in some areas, and badly in others.

My concern is that he by attacking different kind of people is paving the way for lunatics that is just waiting for a green light to go on a killing spree.

Now, I don’t think he wants this to happen. I think he deep down is a decent man, but he has been letting greed and desire for power get to him for years now.

Looks like he doesn’t understand that the fact that when a president is dishing out derogatory comments, it will make people listen to what he’s saying, and be interpreting it the way they see fit.
 

Smooth

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I have decided to not vote for Trump again.

He’s performing well in some areas, and badly in others.

My concern is that he by attacking different kind of people is paving the way for lunatics that is just waiting for a green light to go on a killing spree
Like obama did with antifa and BLM.
 
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Susanna

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Like obama did with antifa and BLM.
Like Trump is doing now. Didn’t you read what I wrote? We can talk about your whataboutisms another time.
 

Smooth

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Like Trump is doing now. Didn’t you read what I wrote? We can talk about your whataboutisms another time.
It’s not about isms; I’m pointing directly to facts the obama riled up his knuckle dragging base. But I digress; new fear President Trump. That says everything I need to know about your misunderstandings.
 
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It’s not about isms; I’m pointing directly to facts the obama riled up his knuckle dragging base. But I digress; new fear President Trump. That says everything I need to know about your misunderstandings.
I don’t care one second what you think.

Now go bother someone else with your misconceptions.
 

RickyZ

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This all sounds great and noble. Trouble is, until Jesus comes back, we LIVE HERE NOW! So Jesus IS on the ballot in the sense that we should examine THE PLATFORMS of each party.

NEITHER will line up perfectly with Christianity, but if you can't see that one is directly ANTI-Christian, and even ANTI-Christ, and the other at least has SOME redeemable qualities, I'd question your mental aptitude.

And I consider you a pretty brilliant guy. Sometimes though, brilliant guys out think themselves. I'd urge you to seriously look at each party's platform. Where they stand on specific issues, and vote accordingly.
Better yet, look at each party's ACTIONS. Then vote third party!
 

RickyZ

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Imagine the disciples talking to a republican Jesus
Republican Jesus, we have this horde of hungry people, what are we going to do?
Well I could take this kids lunch and miraculously feed everyone but oh well that's their problem. Darn Moochers
Oh it would be worse than that
 

Smooth

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I don’t care one second what you think.

Now go bother someone else with your misconceptions.
Obviously you do care. Don’t be so triggered at truth. One day it may actually be your friend if you embrace it.
 

RickyZ

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that's exactly the point negan

since you chose to ignore the first time

Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, blacks and organized labor. The civil rights movement of the 1960s also saw a surge of Ku Klux Klan activity, including bombings of black schools and churches and violence against black and white activists in the South.
Founding of the Ku Klux Klan
A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. The first two words of the organization’s name supposedly derived from the Greek word “kyklos,” meaning circle. In the summer of 1867, local branches of the Klan met in a general organizing convention and established what they called an “Invisible Empire of the South.” Leading Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest was chosen as the first leader, or “grand wizard,” of the Klan; he presided over a hierarchy of grand dragons, grand titans and grand cyclopses.




Did you know? At its peak in the 1920s, Klan membership exceeded 4 million people nationwide.
The organization of the Ku Klux Klan coincided with the beginning of the second phase of post-Civil WarReconstruction, put into place by the more radical members of the Republican Party in Congress. After rejecting President Andrew Johnson’s relatively lenient Reconstruction policies, in place from 1865 to 1866, Congress passed the Reconstruction Act over the presidential veto. Under its provisions, the South was divided into five military districts, and each state was required to approve the 14th Amendment, which granted “equal protection” of the Constitution to former slaves and enacted universal male suffrage.
Ku Klux Klan Violence in the South
From 1867 onward, African-American participation in public life in the South became one of the most radical aspects of Reconstruction, as blacks won election to southern state governments and even to the U.S. Congress. For its part, the Ku Klux Klan dedicated itself to an underground campaign of violence against Republican leaders and voters (both black and white) in an effort to reverse the policies of Radical Reconstruction and restore white supremacy in the South. They were joined in this struggle by similar organizations such as the Knights of the White Camelia (launched in Louisiana in 1867) and the White Brotherhood. At least 10 percent of the black legislators elected during the 1867-1868 constitutional conventions became victims of violence during Reconstruction, including seven who were killed. White Republicans (derided as “carpetbaggers” and “scalawags”) and black institutions such as schools and churches—symbols of black autonomy—were also targets for Klan attacks.

By 1870, the Ku Klux Klan had branches in nearly every southern state. Even at its height, the Klan did not boast a well-organized structure or clear leadership. Local Klan members–often wearing masks and dressed in the organization’s signature long white robes and hoods–usually carried out their attacks at night, acting on their own but in support of the common goals of defeating Radical Reconstruction and restoring white supremacy in the South. Klan activity flourished particularly in the regions of the South where blacks were a minority or a small majority of the population, and was relatively limited in others. Among the most notorious zones of Klan activity was South Carolina, where in January 1871 500 masked men attacked the Union county jail and lynched eight black prisoners.
The Ku Klux Klan and the End of Reconstruction
Though Democratic leaders would later attribute Ku Klux Klan violence to poorer southern whites, the organization’s membership crossed class lines, from small farmers and laborers to planters, lawyers, merchants, physicians and ministers
. In the regions where most Klan activity took place, local law enforcement officials either belonged to the Klan or declined to take action against it, and even those who arrested accused Klansmen found it difficult to find witnesses willing to testify against them. Other leading white citizens in the South declined to speak out against the group’s actions, giving them tacit approval. After 1870, Republican state governments in the South turned to Congress for help, resulting in the passage of three Enforcement Acts, the strongest of which was the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871.

For the first time, the Ku Klux Klan Act designated certain crimes committed by individuals as federal offenses, including conspiracies to deprive citizens of the right to hold office, serve on juries and enjoy the equal protection of the law. The act authorized the president to suspend the writ of habeas corpus and arrest accused individuals without charge, and to send federal forces to suppress Klan violence. This expansion of federal authority–which Ulysses S. Grant promptly used in 1871 to crush Klan activity in South Carolina and other areas of the South–outraged Democrats and even alarmed many Republicans. From the early 1870s onward, white supremacy gradually reasserted its hold on the South as support for Reconstruction waned; by the end of 1876, the entire South was under Democratic control once again.SOURCE
Things have changed since the 1800's ... on both sides, and not for the better.