I apologized to one guy for asking him if he was biased without a good reason to ask. It can get a bit heated, but certain things should not be said, not ever, because we should not be thinking them. But we are human, so if others things are said that should not be, if they are, we should retract.
Two wrongs don't make a right. If are personally attacked or insulted, we don't have to respond in kind.
I only got as far as page 2, post #40. Never saw anything past that point. Our a/c died last night and it's 90 degrees in the house. I was up at 3am this morning and decided to defend our brave law enforcement officers from attacks by people who lack understanding of what goes on out there. If I had some rest, and that thread was still active, I was willing to respond to your attacks with several dozen more posts.
Here is my take on these events. The cop haters quickly call the officers murderers. It doesn't matter if a cell phone didn't record anything until after the shooting. Haters are going to draw their own conclusions and don't require facts to do that. The haters never return to this forum and say they got it wrong once the investigations clear the officers. Or in the case of Trayvon Martin, they insisted Martin was the victim, when the court testimony showed he was the aggressor and stalked Zimmerman after he had returned to the condo and his girlfriend he was speaking to on the phone suggested the man following him was a homosexual and perhaps wanted to have sex with him. That's when Martin snuck up on Zimmerman and punched him in the face, knocking him to the ground next to a sidewalk. Martin them climbed on Zimmerman and began smashing his head onto the sidewalk. Zimmerman lawfully defended himself from a felony assault by firing one shot into Martin's chest. Out of the tens of thousands of comments made online by people saying Zimmerman was wrong and would be convicted of murder, not one of those people returned to say they got it entirely wrong.
The same is true of Eric Gardner and especially true of Michael Brown. People made claims, including you, and they were not factual or accurate. Yet they never returned to state they were wrong. Brown never had his hands up saying don't shoot. Garner was a criminal with a long criminal past who had been arrested for selling cigarettes illegally before. He would be alive today if he complied with lawful commands. I myself wrestled with a 300 pound man while serving as a police officer. It took four of us to get him handcuffed. Two officer went to hospital. Large suspects can harm you without a weapon. They can also grab your service weapon in an instant and execute you. It happens. You didn't even consider that. You stated there is no way to defend the officers in these incidents. You are totally wrong.
When officers make a traffic stop, they often spend three minutes running the plate to find out the registered owner and to discover if that person is wanted and if that person is a dangerous convict. Dangerous convicts know they must follow every single command an officer makes on a traffic stop or the officer could rightfully suspect the person is going to flee or fight or fire a weapon at the officer. That man in Minnesota had several minutes to get his drivers license and registration and proof of insurance out for the officer before the officer even approached the vehicle. He should also have had the windows down and his hands on the dash with the interior lights turned on. Then he should have been respectful and followed every command the officer made.
These incidents don't happen when people comply. But when they do happen, people like you are quick to suggest the officers were racist and treated the person different because they were black. Then you try to say that many officers are honest, but too many are not. Then you read their minds and tell us what they were probably thinking and that maybe it had something to do with not having sex with their wife. It's irresponsible and reckless and really quite idiotic to make such statements.
Pay attention to Baltimore. One by one, the officers are getting their day in court and proving the mob and the prosecutor got it wrong. The suspect was a full time criminal who was hoping to get injured enough to receive a payout from the city. Another prison in the truck said he heard him throwing himself around, trying to get banged up. He didn't see the exposed bolt sticking out and he hit his head against it, causing a deadly wound.
The man in Texas had a weapon. I don't know all the details yet. Michael Brown was 300 pounds and had just committed a felony robbery. One video you posted was of a convicted felon who refused to allow officers to handcuff him. He forced them to take him down. It was his decision that got him bruised and cut up. But you don't want to wait for all the facts and evidence. You don't need a video of the shooting in Minnesota. You have a video taken after the shooting. You can fill in the blanks yourself and create your own narrative. I don't know why the thread was closed but you did your very best to escalate the tone by accusing the officer of murder.
