Will God stop Hillary?

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God appoints those in authority. As I'm not sure of the criteria that He uses it is hard to say if He will prevent her from becoming president.
 
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God appoints those in authority. As I'm not sure of the criteria that He uses it is hard to say if He will prevent her from becoming president.
No the scriptures does not say God raises up evil leaders ..God did not raise up Hitler or stalin or the Pope ...God raised up those that did and will stop them .... God did not raise up Hillary...God raised up those that will stop her
 

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No the scriptures does not say God raises up evil leaders ..God did not raise up Hitler or stalin or the Pope ...God raised up those that did and will stop them .... God did not raise up Hillary...God raised up those that will stop her

These verses seem to contradict your claims. There are many others similar to these in the bible. This is not to say that we don't have a role to play in the appointment process of any person in authority, but only that God ultimately decides who's going to be in charge in any given period of time and situation.

Jn 19: 10-11

Then saith Pilate unto him: Speakest thou not unto me?
Knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have
power to release thee? Jesus answered:Thou couldest have
no power at all against me, except it were given thee from
above. Therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the
greater sin."

Deut. 2: 20-22
And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth
the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness,
and the light dwelleth with him."
 

jsr1221

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No the scriptures does not say God raises up evil leaders ..God did not raise up Hitler or stalin or the Pope ...God raised up those that did and will stop them .... God did not raise up Hillary...God raised up those that will stop her
But God did allow those folks to reign for as long as they did. Acts like the Holocaust did happen. God didn't cause them. But He used those events for whatever reason. I don't know those reasons. God could have immediately struck Hitler down the second he was put into power. But He didn't. Hitler's actions weren't a surprise to God. He knew all of this in the beginning when He created the heavens and the Earth.
 
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Mitspa

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These verses seem to contradict your claims. There are many others similar to these in the bible. This is not to say that we don't have a role to play in the appointment process of any person in authority, but only that God ultimately decides who's going to be in charge in any given period of time and situation.

Jn 19: 10-11

Then saith Pilate unto him: Speakest thou not unto me?
Knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have
power to release thee? Jesus answered:Thou couldest have
no power at all against me, except it were given thee from
above. Therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the
greater sin."

Deut. 2: 20-22
And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth
the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness,
and the light dwelleth with him."
I don't really have time for a bible lesson on this issue ..unless you guys promise to take the time to really consider the whole counsel of the scriptures? Lets just say it like this ..its absolutely blasphemous to accuse God of raising up these evil people and putting them into power ... It shows a real ignorance of Gods character and His Word
 
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Mitspa

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But God did allow those folks to reign for as long as they did. Acts like the Holocaust did happen. God didn't cause them. But He used those events for whatever reason. I don't know those reasons. God could have immediately struck Hitler down the second he was put into power. But He didn't. Hitler's actions weren't a surprise to God. He knew all of this in the beginning when He created the heavens and the Earth.
God did strike down Hitler according to spiritual laws in place that require men to pray and resist evil. Satan is the "god of this world" what do you think that means?
 

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God did strike down Hitler according to spiritual laws in place that require men to pray and resist evil. Satan is the "god of this world" what do you think that means?
Did God strike down Hitler prior to the mass killings of millions of innocent people? Yes or no?
 

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God did strike down Hitler according to spiritual laws in place that require men to pray and resist evil. Satan is the "god of this world" what do you think that means?
Did God strike down Hitler prior to the mass killings of millions of innocent people? Yes or no?
I believe the correct answer is no. God may allow evil to suit a purpose that He has in mind but ultimately all things that are evil will be destroyed. Every person that has ever been in power or a position of authority in one capacity or another has been installed by the express will of God. That does not mean that His servants should just give up the fight, but rather, it is God's desire that we continue to fight the good fight.
 
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Did God strike down Hitler prior to the mass killings of millions of innocent people? Yes or no?
I'm not the one saying God was in charge or responsible for Hitler...you are! Or that's what you seem to be saying? I'm saying the devil is the god of this world ..what do you think that means?
 

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I'm not the one saying God was in charge or responsible for Hitler...you are! Or that's what you seem to be saying? I'm saying the devil is the god of this world ..what do you think that means?
Post 444. "But God did allow those folks to reign for as long as they did. Acts like the Holocaust did happen. God didn't cause them. But He used those events for whatever reason. I don't know those reasons. God could have immediately struck Hitler down the second he was put into power. But He didn't. Hitler's actions weren't a surprise to God. He knew all of this in the beginning when He created the heavens and the Earth."

You're 47-years-old yet have really poor reading comprehension, bro. I bolded some of the text for ya. Might be your eyesight. Or you just might really bad at comprehending things. Whatever the case is, it's three strikes, and the batter out.
 
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Post 444. "But God did allow those folks to reign for as long as they did. Acts like the Holocaust did happen. God didn't cause them. But He used those events for whatever reason. I don't know those reasons. God could have immediately struck Hitler down the second he was put into power. But He didn't. Hitler's actions weren't a surprise to God. He knew all of this in the beginning when He created the heavens and the Earth."

You're 47-years-old yet have really poor reading comprehension, bro. I bolded some of the text for ya. Might be your eyesight. Or you just might really bad at comprehending things. Whatever the case is, it's three strikes, and the batter out.
So what part did "the god of this world" have in the rise of hitler ? What do you think that terms means as it relates to the affairs of "this world"?
 
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Mitspa

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You are too hard on yourself.
I'm not the one trying to blame the Good Lord, for Hitler and other evil leaders...that seems to be your position and its just unbiblical
 

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I'm not the one trying to blame the Good Lord, for Hitler and other evil leaders...that seems to be your position and its just unbiblical
I'm not blaming the Good Lord for anything. It is a biblical fact that God appoints those in authority. I don't know why He allows those that are evil to come to power anymore then why He allows good people to suffer. I believe it is our responsibility to promote strong Christian leadership in any position of power. You do an admirable job in this regard. I'm not saying our efforts are going to be for naught, only that in the end the will of God will be done. Ultimately, this is for the benefit of those that love God.
 
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I'm not blaming the Good Lord for anything. It is a biblical fact that God appoints those in authority. I don't know why He allows those that are evil to come to power anymore then why He allows good people to suffer. I believe it is our responsibility to promote strong Christian leadership in any position of power. You do an admirable job in this regard. I'm not saying our efforts are going to be for naught, only that in the end the will of God will be done. Ultimately, this is for the benefit of those that love God.
You are always a gentleman tourist ... maybe one day we can start a thread on that issue :)
 

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You are always a gentleman tourist ... maybe one day we can start a thread on that issue :)
Thank you for your kind words and for remaining steadfast in promoting the Christian values that have made this country the strongest in the world becoming a shining beacon of hope to the those that are oppressed. God bless the USA.