Woman Pastor Explains Her Abortion

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kaylagrl

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We all do things that are against God's Word. Isn't that what sin is? We say not to throw stones. Then, if someone does have an abortion, whether it is for irresponsible reasons or the fact there's a tumor that's growing rapidly in the baby and not only would the baby die but the mother could suffer as well, what exactly would you call it? As I said in post 135, God wouldn't hold it over her head if she were sincere about it and asked for forgiveness. So, why would we bring it up if the woman was extremely crushed from it? I am pro life and I do believe abortion is wrong, but I'm not going to hold it over her because I really have no idea what she went through.

There's a woman at CR and when she shared her testimony, she said she had an abortion. That was one of the causes that started her downward spiral to her alcoholism. It crushed her. She realized she made a huge mistake. But now that she's in recovery, she doesn't mope around from it because she gave her life over to God. She also knows that baby is in Heaven, and she will get reacquainted with her/him one day.
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We're not talking about an unsaved person,we're talking about a pastor. Abortion is murder. She is not saying she regretted the decision,she's saying she made the right decision. Could she be forgiven if she asks,yes. But she said she made the right decision for her. She didn't,not according to God's Word,abortion isn't murder sometimes,its murder all the time.
 
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Although I am pro life, I would think the guilt, shame, and heartache (among others) after an abortion would be convictions of the Holy Spirit. God wouldn't hold it over the woman's head for the rest of her life if she were to ask for forgiveness from it.
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I absolutely agree, and never suggested otherwise, but she is going in the opposite direction, and chastising those who are against late term abortions.
 
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For my self I can only feel grief for the baby not given a chance . It's truly tragic .
Its sad to see how so many come to defend the procedure. All in the name of
not hurting someone's feelings. Truly pathetic.
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Yeah but, doesn't liberalism supersede God's Word???

Ha ha, look at all the liberals who just got heart palpitations.
 
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kaylagrl said:
We're not talking about an unsaved person,we're talking about a pastor. Abortion is murder. She is not saying she regretted the decision,she's saying she made the right decision. Could she be forgiven if she asks,yes. But she said she made the right decision for her. She didn't,not according to God's Word,abortion isn't murder sometimes,its murder all the time.
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The woman in my example felt she made the right decision at that moment in time, too. I never said the woman in my example was unsaved, though. I said she went to recovery. You can be a Christian and develop an addiction. That's really not the point, though. Point is that this woman has to live with her decision. It's between her and God the results after. What good does it do to gossip about it? It does none at all.
 
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kaylagrl said:
We're not talking about an unsaved person,we're talking about a pastor. Abortion is murder. She is not saying she regretted the decision,she's saying she made the right decision. Could she be forgiven if she asks,yes. But she said she made the right decision for her. She didn't,not according to God's Word,abortion isn't murder sometimes,its murder all the time.
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Yup, I'm against abortion 100%. I'm also at the belief that God knows our hearts and he'll judge us accordingly and individually when we eventually come before him. She should know this more than anyone.
 
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Trump comes across as a buffoon but Hilary is a crook. I feel sorry that this is the choice for Americans but I wouldn't trust Hilary as far as I could throw her!
 
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Please tell me your not a hillary supporter because if you are your statement is comical & you disqualified yourself along time ago.
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I've already voted...didn't vote for either
 
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I think this thread shows how far people are falling away these days.

I mean, there are apparently people who call themselves Christians who think its somehow hateful to be against something wrong. That anyone who stands against abortion hates this woman and wants to see her suffer for it.

Those who have pressed the "stop the hate" agenda have really succeeded in leading people to believe "this is wrong" equals "I hate you and want to murder you". Makes me angry that there are people out there who refuse to see the difference.
 
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I think this thread shows how far people are falling away these days.

I mean, there are apparently people who call themselves Christians who think its somehow hateful to be against something wrong. That anyone who stands against abortion hates this woman and wants to see her suffer for it.

Those who have pressed the "stop the hate" agenda have really succeeded in leading people to believe "this is wrong" equals "I hate you and want to murder you". Makes me angry that there are people out there who refuse to see the difference.
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Forrest Gump was right; stupid is, stupid does. Talk about being disqualified to discuss anything regarding Christianity, it's the mules who support infanticide, especially late term abortion. It's stunning that they are vocal in their support for murdering babies then have the audacity to pray. Incredible!
 
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I love armchair quarterbacks. I can't say what I would have done because I've never been in that situation. Late-term abortions are actually extremely rare and only in extreme circumstances such as the one we are currently discussing. I'm certain she just didn't want her baby to suffer. I'm sure she's not the devil you all are making her out to be
 
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The woman in my example felt she made the right decision at that moment in time, too. I never said the woman in my example was unsaved, though. I said she went to recovery. You can be a Christian and develop an addiction. That's really not the point, though. Point is that this woman has to live with her decision. It's between her and God the results after. What good does it do to gossip about it? It does none at all.
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Im not gossiping. Abortion is murder and it is wrong,period. And we should not been seen as encouraging it as a choice either. To whom much is given,much is required. She was a pastor,her testimony matters. Her story sounds like she is defending a womans choice,that is not pro-life. She made the wrong choice,murder is the wrong choice.
 
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I love armchair quarterbacks. I can't say what I would have done because I've never been in that situation. Late-term abortions are actually extremely rare and only in extreme circumstances such as the one we are currently discussing. I'm certain she just didn't want her baby to suffer. I'm sure she's not the devil you all are making her out to be
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Swept away in desire to be the leader of Rockellers' church a person so intent, so motivated can become blind to good decision making. Christianity is a life walk, not a moment or event. Wouldn't it be nice for a Satanic church to ritually abort a child to send a message and in so doing commit this person (absent enlightenment, repentance and confession) to now condone or even promote this behavior. It's the way cults work. Absent any evil intention on the child, this mother (vessel) had a bigger motivation - to be in charge of a church she either knows nothing about, or who she has submitted to.

This is the reason we bring up and discuss these issues. Not as judgment but in hope of creating awareness that goes beyond the moment, to call the Pharisee in each one of us out, and in the larger, longer term, help bring others to awareness to avoid these organizations, practices and behaviors that lead us to make decisions ' in the moment'.
 
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1LonelyKnight said:
Swept away in desire to be the leader of Rockellers' church a person so intent, so motivated can become blind to good decision making. Christianity is a life walk, not a moment or event. Wouldn't it be nice for a Satanic church to ritually abort a child to send a message and in so doing commit this person (absent enlightenment, repentance and confession) to now condone or even promote this behavior. It's the way cults work. Absent any evil intention on the child, this mother (vessel) had a bigger motivation - to be in charge of a church she either knows nothing about, or who she has submitted to.

This is the reason we bring up and discuss these issues. Not as judgment but in hope of creating awareness that goes beyond the moment, to call the Pharisee in each one of us out, and in the larger, longer term, help bring others to awareness to avoid these organizations, practices and behaviors that lead us to make decisions ' in the moment'.
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Only we're not talking about satanic church
 
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kaylagrl said:
Im not gossiping. Abortion is murder and it is wrong,period. And we should not been seen as encouraging it as a choice either. To whom much is given,much is required. She was a pastor,her testimony matters. Her story sounds like she is defending a womans choice,that is not pro-life. She made the wrong choice,murder is the wrong choice.
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Hence how I said she has to live with that choice. Hence how I also said the results from that choice are going to be between her and God. She can't undo it. So rather than continuing to condemn, how about praying?
 
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jsr1221 said:
Hence how I said she has to live with that choice. Hence how I also said the results from that choice are going to be between her and God. She can't undo it. So rather than continuing to condemn, how about praying?
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Yep........
 
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Dude653 said:
I love armchair quarterbacks. I can't say what I would have done because I've never been in that situation. Late-term abortions are actually extremely rare and only in extreme circumstances such as the one we are currently discussing. I'm certain she just didn't want her baby to suffer. I'm sure she's not the devil you all are making her out to be
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Your correct late term abortions are rare compared to the overall average of abortions conducted. With just over 1 million procedures preformed we are still looking at 10,000 late term procedures. Yep rare in if your a number cruncher. Way too often in reality. Too tragic .
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Dude653 said:
Meanwhile you're voting for a sexual predator
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hmmmm....vote for Trump....stab a baby in the back of the head with scissors. I just can't decide which is worse! Lol
 
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