A Husband's role
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I did a couple of threads on this topic in ladies forum, and for whatever reason, they were largely overlooked.
http://christianchat.com/christian-...id-christ-love-church-addition-dying-her.html
http://christianchat.com/christian-ladies-forum/80699-women-need-men.html
However, I believe this topic is extremely important, especially since so many discussions about the husband's role are centered around male rights and privileges. I also agree that we should refer to and use scripture when we have these discussions. Like someone else mentioned, there will always be those who twist things in order to support their own viewpoint. Unfortunately, that's unavoidable in a fallen world.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her (Ep 5:25).
That verse brings to mind a very important question that often gets overlooked or glossed over. How did Christ love the church in addition to dying for her? Jesus loved the church enough to die for her, but he did a whole lot of stuff before he died and rose again too.
Jesus forgave the church.
Jesus had compassion.
Jesus was humble.
Jesus was not self seeking. His goal was to please and do the will of his Heavenly Father, so he could be a blessing to the church.
Jesus promoted peace.
Jesus prayed for the church.
12 Bible Verses to Show How Jesus Prayed
A husband who loves his wife like Christ loved the church will pray for his wife.
Jesus promoted truth.
Jesus proclaimed justice.
Jesus is a giver and not a taker.
Jesus suffered for the church.
Jesus came to serve the church.
Jesus stopped calling the church slaves and started calling the church friends.
http://christianchat.com/christian-...id-christ-love-church-addition-dying-her.html
http://christianchat.com/christian-ladies-forum/80699-women-need-men.html
However, I believe this topic is extremely important, especially since so many discussions about the husband's role are centered around male rights and privileges. I also agree that we should refer to and use scripture when we have these discussions. Like someone else mentioned, there will always be those who twist things in order to support their own viewpoint. Unfortunately, that's unavoidable in a fallen world.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her (Ep 5:25).
That verse brings to mind a very important question that often gets overlooked or glossed over. How did Christ love the church in addition to dying for her? Jesus loved the church enough to die for her, but he did a whole lot of stuff before he died and rose again too.
Jesus forgave the church.
- Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Eph 4:32
Jesus had compassion.
- When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. Mt 9:36
- Matthew 14:14
- When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick.
- Matthew 15:32
- Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way."
- Mark 6:34
- When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. So he began teaching them many things.
- Mark 8:2
- "I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat.
Jesus was humble.
- You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; He took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross. Phil 2:5-8
- Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Mt 11:29
- "Tell the people of Jerusalem, 'Look, your King is coming to you. He is humble, riding on a donkey--riding on a donkey's colt.'" Mt 21:5
- Jesus washed the disciples' feet. John 13:1-7
Jesus was not self seeking. His goal was to please and do the will of his Heavenly Father, so he could be a blessing to the church.
- By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30
- For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. John 6:38
- Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." Mt 26:39
Jesus promoted peace.
- Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." John 20:21
- "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." John 16:33
- Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. John 14:27
Jesus prayed for the church.
12 Bible Verses to Show How Jesus Prayed
A husband who loves his wife like Christ loved the church will pray for his wife.
Jesus promoted truth.
- "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." John 18:37
- The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
Jesus proclaimed justice.
- "Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. Mt 12:18
Jesus is a giver and not a taker.
- Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word. 2 Thes 2:16-17
- "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28
- Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. Matthew 15:36
Jesus suffered for the church.
- Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 1 Peter 4:1-2
Jesus came to serve the church.
- For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." Mark 10:45
- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." Mt 20:28
Jesus stopped calling the church slaves and started calling the church friends.
- "No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. John 15:15
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her (Ep 5:25).
How can a husband "give himself up" (die) for his wife? Surely, we don't expect husbands to get on a cross and die a physical death like Jesus did, so what does that mean? What does that look like?
1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,a that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. 8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Rom 6:2-11
1Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. 5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.b 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Col 3:1-11
We don't expect husbands to get on a cross and die a physical death like Jesus did, but husbands (and wives) should die to sin, and treat their spouses accordingly.
How can a husband "give himself up" (die) for his wife? Surely, we don't expect husbands to get on a cross and die a physical death like Jesus did, so what does that mean? What does that look like?
1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,a that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. 8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Rom 6:2-11
1Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. 5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.b 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Col 3:1-11
We don't expect husbands to get on a cross and die a physical death like Jesus did, but husbands (and wives) should die to sin, and treat their spouses accordingly.
S
Lets make the above more defined instead of flawed were all sinners.
Than we need to define love, was it agape love or something other?
Agape loves is selfless, it loves and expects NOTHING in return, its not driven by the expectation of being loved back, we all want that, but thats not its purpose. Without a gospel centered marriage, any that last is dumb luck because each and everyone of us is selfish in various degrees at various times and the gospel allows us to overlook another's sin or address it if need be in a correct response. We need to have our fulfillment in Christ, so we don't expect to get that from another person that cant fulfill us.
Than we need to define love, was it agape love or something other?
Agape loves is selfless, it loves and expects NOTHING in return, its not driven by the expectation of being loved back, we all want that, but thats not its purpose. Without a gospel centered marriage, any that last is dumb luck because each and everyone of us is selfish in various degrees at various times and the gospel allows us to overlook another's sin or address it if need be in a correct response. We need to have our fulfillment in Christ, so we don't expect to get that from another person that cant fulfill us.
The said thread was specifically about a husband's role and the comments were specifically addressing that specific subject.
And I don't think she finds you offensive at all - she was simply pointing things out in a polite manner that you may consider. And I myself don't find you offensive, for everyone has his/her own view of things, quite possibly been shaped by own experience, and I respect that. It's just the manner we express our opinion and I am guilty of not doing so in an acceptable way in God's sight.
God bless.
Dear Ones:
Let's be reminded that these mighty fine forum halls are for Christian fellowship no different than if we were in Church fellowship. Let's trust the Lord to have peachy sweet joys horsing around together in fellowship with Christ.
Please be mighty kind to one another, esteeming others as better than oneself, and may our words be for the edification of the readers to encourage one another in the most precious faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Also, let's keep within topic.
Let's be reminded that these mighty fine forum halls are for Christian fellowship no different than if we were in Church fellowship. Let's trust the Lord to have peachy sweet joys horsing around together in fellowship with Christ.
Please be mighty kind to one another, esteeming others as better than oneself, and may our words be for the edification of the readers to encourage one another in the most precious faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Also, let's keep within topic.
We also want to be respectful to the OP and the moderator by " keep(ing) within topic." I do believe that both the OP and the mod would appreciate that.
I just wanted to reiterate this just in case anyone missed this mod's gently phrased and loving plea - "let's keep within topic."
B
Please stay within the OP's topic, or you are welcome to continue another conversation at
http://christianchat.com/christian-singles-forum/96025-detour.html
Much obliged,
BananaPie
http://christianchat.com/christian-singles-forum/96025-detour.html
Much obliged,
BananaPie
B
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the "husband role" has greatly been diminished, compromised and interfered by the incorporation of feminist values. Therefore, it is a very important issue derailing marriages & relationships alike. You are an intelligent woman that should understand them. This thread hasn't been derailed by the insertion of the topic of feminism but by those who have been very disrespectful of views of others.
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