All Da Single Ladies (Who Aren't After a Man's Money), Holla Back!!
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But it is the reason she has to submit.
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.*12*And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.*13*For Adam was formed first, then Eve.*14*And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
I'll shut up now.
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Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.*12*And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.*13*For Adam was formed first, then Eve.*14*And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
I'll shut up now.
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This is a very interesting question, and certainly worthy of its own thread. I often wonder - if Adam had not sinned after Eve's deception, would God have intervened as he did after Adam's sin? Since only after Adam sinned that "both their eyes were opened" (Gen 3:7) it suggests that the Fall would not have happened if only Eve had eaten the fruit.
This also suggests an acknowledgement of the man as the head: their eyes were opened after HE took the fruit...and as the head goes, so goes the whole body. The fact that God addresses the man first in verse 9, further holds the man accountable.
Some will say this is not the case because of the difference between being deceived and intentional sin. Others may look at this as the first acknowledgement of man as the spiritual head of the family. Maybe it's both.
I am certainly more motivated to look at this further, so I thank you for bringing it up!!
This also suggests an acknowledgement of the man as the head: their eyes were opened after HE took the fruit...and as the head goes, so goes the whole body. The fact that God addresses the man first in verse 9, further holds the man accountable.
Some will say this is not the case because of the difference between being deceived and intentional sin. Others may look at this as the first acknowledgement of man as the spiritual head of the family. Maybe it's both.
I am certainly more motivated to look at this further, so I thank you for bringing it up!!
S
The prevailing interpretation seems to be that the first and original sin still rests with Adam due to his silence, as he was with Eve and the serpent when Eve was being deceived, yet said or did nothing to prevent her partaking of the fruit.
My question, then, is that if Adam was among them, might he have been deceived then, also?
My question, then, is that if Adam was among them, might he have been deceived then, also?
*Lynx checks that one off the checklist.
That was predictable. Every time the "Women should submit to their men" topic comes up, someone yanks that scripture out of context and uses it as "proof."
I'm not even going to bother refuting it this time though, because as the OP pointed out THAT IS OFF TOPIC!
Please either revert to the topic of this thread, start a new thread to discuss women submitting or choose one of the many, many, many (many many many many manymanymanymany) threads already started about it.
Curious. I always got the impression Eve was alone when the serpent was talking to her. Can you explain why you think Adam was with her during this conversation?
Mind you, I'm not arguing. I'm intrigued. I have no verses proving she and the serpent were alone, but now I'm curious why Adam was there.
That was predictable. Every time the "Women should submit to their men" topic comes up, someone yanks that scripture out of context and uses it as "proof."
I'm not even going to bother refuting it this time though, because as the OP pointed out THAT IS OFF TOPIC!
Please either revert to the topic of this thread, start a new thread to discuss women submitting or choose one of the many, many, many (many many many many manymanymanymany) threads already started about it.
Curious. I always got the impression Eve was alone when the serpent was talking to her. Can you explain why you think Adam was with her during this conversation?
Mind you, I'm not arguing. I'm intrigued. I have no verses proving she and the serpent were alone, but now I'm curious why Adam was there.
S
Oh, interesting. Even more interesting is how the surrounding text focuses on Eve and her transgression, and women's redemption through childbirth; the tone of the text almost makes it seem as though she was the real troublemaker, not Adam.
He was waiting for her to make him a sandwich.
Okay, I don't have scripture to back up the sandwich claim, but─
Genesis 3:6 - When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
The phrasing, or context, of course, is incumbent upon the translation, though I've read that it's widely inferred (or assumed) that Adam was indeed within earshot of the whole thing. Who really knows? *shrug*
He was waiting for her to make him a sandwich.
Okay, I don't have scripture to back up the sandwich claim, but─
Genesis 3:6 - When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
The phrasing, or context, of course, is incumbent upon the translation, though I've read that it's widely inferred (or assumed) that Adam was indeed within earshot of the whole thing. Who really knows? *shrug*
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Genesis 3:16