Can you be a liberal Christian?

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You don't? Until how long after conception do you think termination isn't murder?



No games here, man. Is it a human being or not?
I say I its a living baby when its heart beats... that would save millions of babies. If your just trying to plays games with words to make some legal point to justify abortion ...then you should be ashamed just like the others who try to justify murder.
 
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Believing or doubting that you are saved doesn't change whether you are actually saved.
Well if you doubt your saved? You may not be? If you believe its ok to kill babies ..then your probably not really a child of God but a child of the devil.
 
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Oh, I know most Christians hypocritically live, saying "love your enemies", while inwardly hating them, just longing for the time they hope they will get to "ride with Jesus in a 'Holy' army, slaughtering millions with a 'shimmering' sword."

However, the point of my post was that I'm pretty sure you meant to say "shiver", but you typed "shimmer."
Shimmer, shiver, kind of like shimmy shimmy cocoa pop! I love my enemies in that I pray they avoid destruction by having their eyes opened to the glory of the Lord, but when they refuse, oh well.
 
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It's a question that I often toss around in my head. Reason being is because I would consider myself one. I'm pretty liberal about a lot of things and have a lot of liberal views but I love the Lord! I guess it's a question I think about often because I constantly see on here and in other places the calling out of "liberals". I will also admit that it's kind of the reason I feel uncomfortable and like I don't fit in when it comes to the church. I love God just as much as anyone else and I wish people could see past my political views.
Yes! As my pastor stresses, unity, not uniformity. As long as you're walking with Christ and bearing fruit, the rest is window dressing.
As your brothers and sisters, it's our job to encourage you in the faith, not to brow beat you into changing your opinions about other things.
 
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I've just never understood how we can be at peace with the thought of looking forward to the destruction of others and call ourselves Christians.
Because God is Just. I take it personally when people give the one finger salute to our Creator, same way I rejoice when people acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior. The former have no one to blame but themselves when it comes to their future endeavors.
 
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So, if we know that God wants to restore ALL mankind to our original status as His loved children, why would so many people have the mindset that they hope "those non-Christians" will have to suffer... BIG time?
I'll let Jesus' words reign supreme:

The Parable of the Weeds Explained

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”

[SUP]37 [/SUP]He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. [SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]“As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

[SUP]42 [/SUP]They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
 
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A hard thing to do is to ask ourselves that if God gave us the power to make the decision that all unbelievers (our enemies, included) could be totally forgiven on that last day, and get to enjoy Eternity.............. would we want that for them, or would we give it a "thumbs down"?
I'd want that, but there's a but in there.
 

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Because God is Just. I take it personally when people give the one finger salute to our Creator, same way I rejoice when people acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior. The former have no one to blame but themselves when it comes to their future endeavors.
I completely understand that there will come a day when God's Justice is met, and of course there will come a day when He will tell them that they've made their choice and because they rejected Him, they must be cast from His presence forever.

But I also understand that Biblically, no matter how much people hate and disrespect God, He is looking at them longingly, even to the end, wishing they would change their minds. He might be shaking His head in disapproval at their choices, but how often does He have to do so with us? Probably much more, because as believers, He will hold us to a higher standard.

This, to me, one of the most amazing things about God--that He can take a person's worst hate towards Him and still respond in love.

And, this is what He calls us to strive to do as well.
 
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I cant speak for them. And that is two people.That doesnt mean the majority of Christians feel this way. But I think Utah is speaking more of righteous indigence against evil,but you would have to ask him.
No need to ask, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
 
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Nice straw man. Try again.
Clearly you don't know what a "straw man" is. A straw man argument is when you mischaracterize someones argument and then tear down that false argument, instead of your opponents actual position.
 
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Having the wrong opinion on abortion, not even talking about going through with an abortion yourself, doesn't revoke your salvation. It just means you have the wrong idea of when life begins. That can be corrected easily.
You're right, our sins do not revoke our salvation but . . . I have a meeting. Talk more later.
 
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As I said before, simply read what people say in various posts. It isn't Rocket Science to figure out how certain people feel about all kinds of things. After all, they come right out, and say it.
Which is commendable in and of itself.
 

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I have to give it to the OP, that was a very good choice for a controversial thread starter. Throw a grenade, stand back and watch the explosion.
 

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I have to give it to the OP, that was a very good choice for a controversial thread starter. Throw a grenade, stand back and watch the explosion.
Singles is now The Bible Forum 2.0.

The minute I read the title I wondered how long it would carry on.

We'll see.

Not that I'm not doing my share to contribute. :)
 
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The Bible speaks of God knowing us before we are born,of being knitted together in the womb.

Psalm 22:9-10 Yet you brought me out of the womb you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.


Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,before you were born I set you apart;I appointed you as a prophet to the nations


A baby has a heartbeat at 6 weeks.At the 5th week the brain,spinal cord,heart begin to form.No one but God has a right to take life.So I don't believe the Bible is silent on abortion.The Bible says when Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting the baby within her leaped for joy and she was filled with the Holy Spirit.There is not doubt abortion is wrong according to God Word.
The bible is clearly using poetic license to indicate God knows you will be born before you are even conceived. Do you really believe that an embryo is capable of hearing a human voice and physically back flipping in her moms womb? If these verses, which do not talk about abortion whatsoever are the best you can come up with then you have failed to make your case.

Saying "I think it's wrong and therefore I don't think the bible is silent on the issue" is a total non-sequitur of an argument. How does you thinking something is wrong logically conclude the bible also says it is wrong?

All I am saying is don't confuse your own personal views with biblical views because you are speaking for God on that which he chose to remain silent.
 

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Singles is now The Bible Forum 2.0.
Yes I noticed that, with some trepidation. You are welcome to join me in my fox hole. I have cable and all the snacks I need.
 
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Funny how you deny the bible until you think you can use it in some way against Christians...very odd because that's the same thing that PhD fellow did..... how many times have you been banned now? I bet its some kind of record...you should be very proud :)

Why is this kind of commentary acceptable for Christian discourse? It's not addressing a topic, it's attacking a person. Who is or isn't allowed on this site is above our paygrade. If someone has a question about someone's presence on the site, they should go to a mod or RoboOp and deal with it in that way. There is no need to name-call, shame, or berate people simply because we dislike their worldview.
 
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