Defining Virginty

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Jordache

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For the accident analogy...
A person driving a car is a driver, right? If someone hits them does that mean they are no longer the driver?
If a girl is a virgin she is a virgin... Someone wrecking into her life doesn't change that.
 
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MidniteWelder

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That's correct Jordache,
and person who has never been in an accident, had never been in an accident
Until....
they get into an accident
the results are not easily swept under the rug
when one wishes to go to work the next day and theiur car is obviously in a wreck
the perpetrator initiating the accident is held acountable by police and the insurance companies
and thereby repercussions have resulted
even if both parties choose to "try" to ignore it

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For the accident analogy...
A person driving a car is a driver, right? If someone hits them does that mean they are no longer the driver?
If a girl is a virgin she is a virgin... Someone wrecking into her life doesn't change that.
There is also something called the 'at fault driver'.
Who's insurance rates go up for good reason.
 
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Jullianna

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We have medical definitions of things. We have legal definitions of things. We have scriptural definitions of things. They are what they are, but we need to remember that knowledge + compassion = wisdom in certain situations.

When something like rape happens to a woman or man (don't think it doesn't happen), they deal with it as well as they can, hopefully with God's help. However someone chooses to describe the status of their sexual purity to others (and I'm wondering why that would ever be anyone else's business, except for medical personnel or a prospective spouse), the thing that matters is that they are perfectly honest with themselves and a prospective spouse about it, so that prospective spouse can make an informed life long decision. Being honest with oneself, one's spouse and the Lord leads to healing. Few things can damage a relationship more than deception.
 
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There is also something called the 'at fault driver'.
Who's insurance rates go up for good reason.
Good point.

Someone can go farther in playing the victim card than they should.
 

Nautilus

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so for the people saying a girl getting raped counts as losing her virginity...would you turn a girl away if virginity was something you truly treausred in a spouse because according to you she technically isnt one?
 
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Mammachickadee

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I am getting fed up with the number of comments, prayer requests, stories, etc on here and on the net at large that are written by people with the ridiculous opinion that you can have your virginity taken from you. Virginity is something that can only be given and not taken. It is more than a piece of skin or a flow of blood. I repeat. If you didn't give it up, you still have it. And if you have given it then you can regain it in a spiritual sense. It is ignorance that perpetuates this shame yielding idea that if someone is violated sexually they are no longer a virgin. It is even more ignorance that perpetuates the idea that this physical deflowering only occurs with sex. I hate be blunt, but if all you consider to be virginity is an intact hymen then you have just idealogically de-virginized a whole group of girls who had an awkward fall on her bike, used a tampon improperly, or had some other everyday accident that just happened to involve the wrong body part.
Come on people. Why are shaming people for this? It's not our jobs to judge someone's purity. We do not see their hearts. It's also not our job to define what Gods idea of purity it.
So girls, if you've had one of these accidents, or if you have been violated, this doesn't make you any less a virgin.
um... in the case of Rape? There's a "spiritual" definition and a scientific definition.
 
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Since this thread was started in the context of rape, I am referring to situations well outside of rape. When someone does something legitimately wrong (ie one night stand driven by nothing but animalistic impulse or bastardized romantic feeling) and takes great strides in avoiding responsibility or identification as a sinner.

It is my firm opinion that nobody asks for a rape and that those responsible for it are deserving of the death penalty.
 
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1still_waters

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so for the people saying a girl getting raped counts as losing her virginity...would you turn a girl away if virginity was something you truly treausred in a spouse because according to you she technically isnt one?
no because it wasn't her fault.

Plus that doesn't define who she is anyways. Her character defines her, not her attacker.
 
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Too much is made of physical perfection.
People LOVE physical perfection.
Saul, the first king of Israel, stood a head higher than everyone else. (People loved that)
And you should see Satan; man ....that guy was beautiful, and so smart, and man could he play!
Get over your love affair with the hymen! ("Oh, she's a virgin!")
Utter judging on outward circumstance.
The church doesn't do that.
 
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Red_Skull

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#31
vir·gin·i·ty

/vərˈjinətē/
Noun
1. The state of never having had sexual intercourse: "he lost his virginity in college".
^ I think this effectively ends the discussion. If a girl who hasn't had sexual intercourse before is raped then she is by definition no longer a virgin.

Oh and:
Plus that doesn't define who she is anyways. Her character defines her, not her attacker.
Close thread?
 
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^ I think this effectively ends the discussion. If a girl who hasn't had sexual intercourse before is raped then she is by definition no longer a virgin.
Oh and:
Close thread?
Seeing as you profane the discussion with your flesh tearing ultimatum I will engage in a different form of sarcasm.
sarx - flesh
casm - tearing.

I think this effectively ends the discussion, as those who walk according to the flesh will never see by the Spirit.
 
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Red_Skull

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#33
Seeing as you profane the discussion with your flesh tearing ultimatum I will engage in a different form of sarcasm.
sarx - flesh
casm - tearing.

I think this effectively ends the discussion, as those who walk according to the flesh will never see by the Spirit.
I don't get it.
 

presidente

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Since this thread was started in the context of rape, I am referring to situations well outside of rape. When someone does something legitimately wrong (ie one night stand driven by nothing but animalistic impulse or bastardized romantic feeling) and takes great strides in avoiding responsibility or identification as a sinner.

It is my firm opinion that nobody asks for a rape and that those responsible for it are deserving of the death penalty.
In the Old Testament, that was only the case if the woman was married or betrothed to another man. I suppose there would have had to have been at least one other witness besides the victim, since no one could be put to death without the testimony of two or three witnesses.
 

presidente

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so for the people saying a girl getting raped counts as losing her virginity...would you turn a girl away if virginity was something you truly treasured in a spouse because according to you she technically isnt one?
That would be a difficult issue for a man set on marrying a virgin. If I had been dating a girl in that situation, the fact that 'two shall be one flesh' and the issues related to how the situation would have been resolved in the Old Testament would have been on my mind.

If someone chooses not to marry a person over past sexual trauma, it's their right to make that decision. It would be awful to make that decision. But I think it would not dissuade many men who hold sexual purity in high regard these days.
 
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Joy87

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I am getting fed up with the number of comments, prayer requests, stories, etc on here and on the net at large that are written by people with the ridiculous opinion that you can have your virginity taken from you. Virginity is something that can only be given and not taken. It is more than a piece of skin or a flow of blood. I repeat. If you didn't give it up, you still have it. And if you have given it then you can regain it in a spiritual sense. It is ignorance that perpetuates this shame yielding idea that if someone is violated sexually they are no longer a virgin. It is even more ignorance that perpetuates the idea that this physical deflowering only occurs with sex. I hate be blunt, but if all you consider to be virginity is an intact hymen then you have just idealogically de-virginized a whole group of girls who had an awkward fall on her bike, used a tampon improperly, or had some other everyday accident that just happened to involve the wrong body part.
Come on people. Why are shaming people for this? It's not our jobs to judge someone's purity. We do not see their hearts. It's also not our job to define what Gods idea of purity it.
So girls, if you've had one of these accidents, or if you have been violated, this doesn't make you any less a virgin.
Virginity means there's no sexual intercourse happened.....you're still a VIRGIN....
 
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In the Old Testament, that was only the case if the woman was married or betrothed to another man. I suppose there would have had to have been at least one other witness besides the victim, since no one could be put to death without the testimony of two or three witnesses.
This is why people are tried by a jury of their peers.
 
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1still_waters

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^ I think this effectively ends the discussion. If a girl who hasn't had sexual intercourse before is raped then she is by definition no longer a virgin.

Oh and:


Close thread?
No. Rape is not sexual intercourse.
It's rape.
Sexual intercourse is consensual.

If rape is sexual intercourse, then a mugging is a donation to the poor.
 
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Red_Skull

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#39
No. Rape is not sexual intercourse.
It's rape.
Sexual intercourse is consensual.

If rape is sexual intercourse, then a mugging is a donation to the poor.
"Sexual intercourse, as coitus or copulation, is the insertion and thrusting of a male's penis into a female's vagina for the purposes of sexual pleasure or reproduction." -Wikipedia, references below:


 
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Red_Skull

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It feels like this is just people engaging in wishful thinking and playing with words to uphold said wishful thinking.