Do Men Have a Certain Age Where They Consider Themselves Unable to Have Kids?

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Lanolin

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the main thing is for men do you want be a grumpy, sad old dad who hates children (scrooge?) or do you really want to be....Santa Claus?
 

seoulsearch

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This part is interesting too."They found that children born to women who are 22 to 24 years old have a 29 percent higher risk of schizophrenia than those with mothers in their early 30s. For children born to mothers 15 to 21 years old, the risk of schizophrenia jumps by 76 percent."

https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/parental-age-different-impact-autism-schizophrenia/

I wonder why younger mothers have a higher chance of giving birth to a baby with schizophrenia.
The first thing that popped into my head when I read this was that I think the current belief is that schizophrenia can be brought on by a multitude of factors, including social and economic factors, and the younger the parent, the greater the chance that the environment is less stable.

A quick Google search indicated that higher rates of schizophrenia are also associated higher rates of poverty and social deprivation.

I would suspect, though I could be wrong, that it most likely isn't due to biological age in and of itself -- rather, it's more about the psychological, emotional, and financial state of the parents rather than just the age. The biological age of the parents COULD have something to do with it, but I think it's important to consider the extra challenges most young parents face.

In today's society, young people ages 22-24 may not be in as stable of relationships/marriages, job positions, living conditions, or financial stability as people in their 30's, therefore unable to provide a stable home environment.

And how much more severe are the conditions for those who are only 15-21? At that age, it's even less likely that the babies will be born into financially or emotionally stable conditions. Maybe they are being bounced around from household to household with different rules and personalities, maybe they are deprived of basic necessities (like proper nutrition or even enough food at all,) and the supposed adults who are raising them don't know how to live independently themselves, let alone raise babies.

Now I'm certainly not saying that anyone facing these hardships will develop schizophrenia -- we know for a fact that this isn't true. I'm also not saying that people raised with everything they need will never develop schizophrenia either.

But what I am saying is that I think it's a mistake to focus in on the age of the parent as a possibly higher risk without also looking at the wide variety of other factors that can't be denied when assessing human development.

It's not an absolute of course, but older parents are just more likely to be able to provide for their children, both financially and emotionally, because they have more experience and may have better-paying jobs, which might make it more likely that they will raise better-adjusted children.
 

Lanolin

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You said it better than I could Seoul

I suppose when you read reports and studies like this you cant always come to a conclusion that these results MUST mean this and this and therefore this is an aboslute rule

People can come to all sorts of crazy conclusions based on slim bits of evidence.

Besides, if life was really like this so predictable and orderly there would be no room for miracles right?
 
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SimpleSheep

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i dont believe those stats
autism is something that is genetic and also neurodevelopmental and got nothing to with age and more like environemntal conditions and possibly toxicity in the environment

also, schizophrenia is often linked with marital breakdowns not what age parents are when babies are born

you can also have children too young and unable to care for them

eg Temple Grandins mum had her when she was just 19

She had other children after her and they were not autistic
I think the stats make sense. They're not necessarily saying that age alone is causing schizophrenia or autism. But in the case of schizophrenia I would agree with ya'll (you and @seoulsearch ) that it's not the age alone but the other factors as well. So I would argue that age is very important because which teens or even early 20 somethings have a stable income nowadays to support children? Most don't.
 

tourist

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tHough it was actually Sarah's idea for Hagar to have Ishmael.

Abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac though, so, cant really say he was that great a dad....
Not too great a husband either because he offered his wife Sarah in order to avoid a bad situation.