Sex & other activities.

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Ellie

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Its not the lustful thoughts that are the problem. Thoughts come and go, the problem is when we indulge them and nourish them. When we make things the focus of our entire mind and think of little else, that is what God considers wrong. Playing out senarios in our mind, sexual or not, for instance. I've read a book that talked about capturing our thoughts and locking them away. That is what we must do as christians. If a fleeting thought passes though our mind we are supposed to tell ourselves we aren't allowed to think that way, and then replace the thought with something else, say a bible verse.

As for the marriage part, I think the idea is that God has given the person to you and therefore they are yours. Lust is synonomous with Greed and coveting what isn't yours to have. Your wife or husband is yours just as you are theirs. That being said, even married people can get so focused on each other and the physical relationship that they forget God. Turn it into an idol of sorts. Single or married that is a bad thing because it is replacing God.
Great post, you make some good points. Nice work on defining lust too. I think it's important to specify what we mean when we use a word sometimes, because people often disagree only by misunderstanding what was trying to be expressed verses what was perceived by what was said. I guess in this thread when I have used the word "lust" it really wasn't the right word for what I meant. I was using it instead of .. I guess "sexual appetite" would be a better way to put it. I can see now that if that is the definition of lust - that it's about coveting something that's not yours, that it's ok to call it bad. That's a different story than what I've been babbling about though, I think... will have to give this some more thought, you've put a different, helpful spin on it
 

Ellie

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#42
"Other activities", like going to the book club at the library on a lazy Thursday afternoon?
Who has lazy Thursday afternoons? Isn't Thursday a working day? I mean it's not for me but that's beside the point...
 

QuestionTime

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Hey there. None taken... just for clarity which part of what I said gave you the impression that I was saying people are helpless to their urges?
Greetings Ellie!

If you read my earlier post - here in this thread somewhere - I was saying something similar, about desire being ok and even important. And I think if a guy and a girl are dating with purpose (inteding to marry) - that desire should be seen as on hold, not switched off. It's not saying no, it's saying not yet.

Well, that is the quote I have from you and... now that I read your post over, I don't know really how I came to this conclusion. I get passionate sometimes and I guess I read something into what you were saying, because I can't see it now.

By the way, I just re-read your post on the 1st page of this thread and I really thought it was wise!

Take care and sorry!

Quest

 

Ellie

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#44
That's quite all right and thanks for saying so. It's refreshing to hear someone take a step back. Hope I have the self control to do the same when I find myself in a similar situation, being just as human. :)
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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laughing out loud at "and other activities", immediately, board games came to mind.

Of course, if you do it without lusting, it's ok.

Just kidding (that was a jab at people who say that sort of thing.

Any stuff before marriage is not good. Fully clothed sex is banned too.

Anything fun, basically.

Monopoly should be one of those board games, also i believe scrabble and sex go together
 

seoulsearch

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Monopoly should be one of those board games, also i believe scrabble and sex go together
So if you spell "sex" backwards ("X-E-S"???) in Scrabble, does that count as a point? (How about diagonally?)

And if you spelled it without ANY lustful thoughts whatsoever... does it mean you also did this without sinning?

I think that should count as at least 5 bonus points!!! SCORE!!! (But no lusting.) :D
 

seoulsearch

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So if you spell "sex" backwards ("X-E-S"???) in Scrabble, does that count as a point? (How about diagonally?)

And if you spelled it without ANY lustful thoughts whatsoever... does it mean you also did this without sinning?

I think that should count as at least 5 bonus points!!! SCORE!!! (But no lusting.) :D
And then can you picture telling your friends... "I SCORED BBBIIIIGGG TIME LAST NIGHT!!!"

*slight pause, as they look at you funny, and then you say...*

"At Scrabble! At Scrabble, of course! What's wrong with you people??? Why are your minds always in the wrong places????" :D (I suppose you could even give them a helpful Scriptural lesson about guarding your thoughts...)

Works every time!!!
 
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oopsies

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In answer to the "How do you have sex while fully clothed?" question--I was in a program at a public college that tried to advocate "safe sex" techniques like this, and yes, it actually is exactly what it sounds like--basically going through all the motions to get to a point of release while still being clothed so there is no supposed danger of a transfer of STD's and the like.

I heard a pastor sum it up pretty well though in a recent sermon:

"IF YOU HAVE TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE DOING OR WANT TO DO IS OK, THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT."

Yeah, I know it doesn't sound like much fun on the surface (ha ha, no pun intended), but no one ever said being a Christian was easy!
It's called dry sex.
 
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shanaynay-deleted

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OK.... I AM LIKE TOTALLY GROSSED OUT NOW! SAVE IT FOR MARRIAGE. ALL OF IT! AND TALK ABOUT IT THEN. Shheesh.
 
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Dmurray

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#54
When the two become one flesh, that is marriage as described in Genesis.

1 Cor 6:
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

So in God's eyes, you married that harlot because marriage and becoming one flesh is the same thing.

I tell you this Dmurray, in the past - and in my old church - if you fornicated with a woman in a Christian church family, you would be forced to marry that woman.

Quest
Doesn't it also say that once you are baptized of the water and of the Spirit that you are a new creature, thus that anything you did in the past is "blotted out" ?
 

QuestionTime

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Doesn't it also say that once you are baptized of the water and of the Spirit that you are a new creature, thus that anything you did in the past is "blotted out" ?
Blotted out means that God isn't going to hold your sins against you. What it does not mean is that the consequences of your actions suddenly disappear. If that were the case there would be many people on death row repenting and then suddenly being released from prison.

Monday, 27.—Mr. Kinchin went with me to the castle, where, after reading prayers and preaching on "It is appointed unto men once to die," we prayed with the condemned man, first in several forms of prayer and then in such words as were given us in that hour. He kneeled down in much heaviness and confusion, having "no rest in" his "bones, by reason of" his "sins." After a space he rose up, and eagerly said, "I am now ready to die. I know Christ has taken away my sins; and there is no more condemnation for me." The same composed cheerfulness he showed when he was carried to execution; and in his last moments he was the same, enjoying a perfect peace, in confidence that he was "accepted in the Beloved." - John Wesley

Quest
 
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Dmurray

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Blotted out means that God isn't going to hold your sins against you. What it does not mean is that the consequences of your actions suddenly disappear. If that were the case there would be many people on death row repenting and then suddenly being released from prison.

Quest
Man still holds people responsible for his actions. Just because you repent of your actions, society isn't going to accept that they have repented. Doesn't Baptism wash our old life away?

The Gospel applied today:
Death - Repentance(Death of old Life)
Burial - Baptism (Burial of your old life)
Resurrection - Holy Ghost/Baptism (Coming up a new life in Christ Jesus)


[FONT=&quot]Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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From what I gather from that, and what I have learned, is that when we repent, our old life dies, then when we get baptized it is buried, and when we receive the Holy Ghost we are a new creature in Christ Jesus, because we have now been filled with his spirit, and he dwells withing us.

Now to blot something out, what they would do back then, is they would blot out peoples debts etc... with the ink, and once you blot ink on something you can no longer see what the original thing was, therefore it is gone.

If we are "Born Again" then doesn't that mean we start off fresh? We have been forgiven, and our previous sins have been washed away in Jesus' blood in Baptism, we are Baptized into Christ, and are covered with his blood.
 
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Maddog

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#57
Whenever I see the title of this thread I think it's about other activities in which one engage whilst in coitus.
 
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Dmurray

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Monday, 27.—Mr. Kinchin went with me to the castle, where, after reading prayers and preaching on "It is appointed unto men once to die," we prayed with the condemned man, first in several forms of prayer and then in such words as were given us in that hour. He kneeled down in much heaviness and confusion, having "no rest in" his "bones, by reason of" his "sins." After a space he rose up, and eagerly said, "I am now ready to die. I know Christ has taken away my sins; and there is no more condemnation for me." The same composed cheerfulness he showed when he was carried to execution; and in his last moments he was the same, enjoying a perfect peace, in confidence that he was "accepted in the Beloved." - John Wesley

Quest
I want to point out where it says "Christ has taken away my sins; and there is no more condemnation for me"

Think about what that says. His sins are gone, and he is no longer condemned for what he has done in his past.


 
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Mands

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#59
Save yourself for marriage. ALL of yourself. Even if you don't cross the line and have sex, you're still giving parts of yourself away as you become more physical with the person you're with. And when the relationship ends (which most of them do) you'll realize you really did lose, when you weren't even aware you were giving that much away.
 
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ChristopherMichael

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HA!

I totally thought the "other activities" part of the thread title was referring to things like scrabble or picnicking -- which is hilariously awesome. Boy was I suprised.

- Topher