US people - Are you/did you vote today?? (POLL)

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Did you vote today (US elections)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 64.3%
  • No

    Votes: 9 32.1%
  • I still might (still time left)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • There's an election today?

    Votes: 1 3.6%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .
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MidniteWelder

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#41
Yes christian principles like our political system being bought out by whatever corporation writes the biggest check?
What happens when the kids mislead the parent to think they are the actual authority running the house if we give them candy whenever they cry for it?
Is it the kids fault...or the parents?

In other words, why submit to the political system that is being destructive to itself.
Rightful liberty is derived from unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn by equal rights.
Within the "limits of the law" is not addressed if the law is of the tyrants will, and when that law violates the rights of the individual.

When Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Repeat it, from the CONSENT of the governed.
— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

Stop giving your consent.
Choose a political stance which "conserves" your rights.
As opposed to Progressively liberating you of them.
 
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Nautilus

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What happens when the kids mislead the parent to think they are the actual authority running the house if we give them candy whenever they cry for it?
Is it the kids fault...or the parents?

In other words, why submit to the political system that is being destructive to itself.
Rightful liberty is derived from unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn by equal rights.
Within the "limits of the law" is not addressed if the law is of the tyrants will, and when that law violates the rights of the individual.

When Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Repeat it, from the CONSENT of the governed.
— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

Stop giving your consent.
Choose a political stance which "conserves" your rights.
As opposed to Progressively liberating you of them.
The rights people are so conservative over, aren't really ones I care about. I'd rather liberate others from your archaic rules and opinions about how they should live their lives.
 

rachelsedge

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I didn't vote. I didn't realize it was election day, I don't have TV and I don't read stuff on the internet. I suppose I should have known because isn't it November 4th every election time or something? So, I realized the day of voting that it was election day and I hadn't done research on anyone. I didn't think I could make an informed vote.

I think that voting matters and is important, but at the same time, it doesn't really seem to matter what politician is in office. The government system and sub-systems are so out of whack it would take a major, MAJOR overhaul. And the government is corrupt so I also don't see that happening. Call me a Debbie Downer, but I don't have much hope for the politics of America.
 
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MidniteWelder

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#44
The rights people are so conservative over, aren't really ones I care about. I'd rather liberate others from your archaic rules and opinions about how they should live their lives.
If you wish to liberate others from equal rights endowed to us by our creator and have others who are equal to us tell us what is best for us, then that is a freedom afforded to you within this country.

I choose to conserve the fact that all men are created equal.
No rules, govern yourself unless you violate the rights of another.
A republic is a form of Government in which power resides in the people.

P.S. so as not to derail any further, I voted in this poll :p
Peace out
 
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Charcoal

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#45
True but education is free in Germany even to americans. Plus I could renounce my american citizen and get rid of this student loan debt both parties have saddled me with due to a failing economy.

To be fair if you think america really has it all together I would like you to name one thing we are the best in other than military spending...ill wait

I NEVER said we had it together.

One thing we are good at, though, is blaming others for our own choices... like you and YOUR student loan.
 
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Charcoal

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#46
Yep, their terrible handling of the economy and their equally terrible handling of the stimulus packages to try and fix it have led to an even more terrible job-market where jobs with decent pay are very hard to come by.
...and I'm sure they made you take out the loans, too.
This was simply a risk you took when you signed for the loans, bro. There is not a test in Vegas to make sure you know the odds before you roll the dice. Why did you expect the bankers/government to hold your hand through this?
 
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I did vote but I voted early so I did not vote yesterday but earlier than that.
 

zeroturbulence

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All I know is Nautilus is an AMAZING cook! :D

(yes, he really is. its not a joke)
 

Loveneverfails

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I sure did but as usual Alaska takes forever to tally up the final results. What a good opportunity to exercise my patience. ;)
 

Nautilus

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...and I'm sure they made you take out the loans, too.
This was simply a risk you took when you signed for the loans, bro. There is not a test in Vegas to make sure you know the odds before you roll the dice. Why did you expect the bankers/government to hold your hand through this?
a government working for the people would never let the economy drop into the pathetic state that is in. Maybe if we werent trilliopns in debt this wouldnt be an issue. Heck when my parents went through college they could pay their way ooff of income from summer jobs. Nowadays education has gotten so far out of hand that tuition is through the roof along with interest rates. And why would you not go to college? Does being lower-middle class with some blue collar job actually appeal to some people?
 
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Charcoal

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a government working for the people would never let the economy drop into the pathetic state that is in. Maybe if we werent trilliopns in debt this wouldnt be an issue. Heck when my parents went through college they could pay their way ooff of income from summer jobs. Nowadays education has gotten so far out of hand that tuition is through the roof along with interest rates. And why would you not go to college? Does being lower-middle class with some blue collar job actually appeal to some people?
I think we can agree to disagree on things. I'll respond to this, you have the last word, and for crying out loud, someone make Zero something AMAZING to eat...poor dude only has one good hand, I hear. ;) I'd hate for him to be stuck with nothing but a jar of Mayo when he runs out of hotdogs and rice.

Yes, the gubberment's excess debt is a time-bomb, and someday China may foreclose on the whole nation in a single go.

Some schools, some job you still can take a summer's wages and pay for a semester. It's going to be in-state public universities and it's going to be Hard Work, but that can be done. If you work harder still in more risky jobs you might could do two semesters, but would still need a part time job during the year to cover ongoing expenses like food.
In college I had a friend that had worked at a Toyota factory putting on wheels for 4 years straight, saving every dime and living with his family. He was paying for college out of his own earnings, he knew the value of his work, and he never made less than a "B" despite working 25 hours a week on a 16-18 hour course load...because he knew exactly how many lug nuts it would take to re-take a class. He was one of the happiest people I knew at school, and that was because he had appreciation for the opportunity. That and he had a pretty good break dance crew. Seriously, it was like something from one of those silly movies...I once went with them to watch them have a break dance competition at some club against another crew. I kept thinking "THIS IF FOR REAL?"

Tuition is RIDICULOUS. We 100% agree with this. I blame the GI bill. After WWII all kinds of farm hands and factory joes were getting educations, and it continued to mushroom from there with each conflict. Yes, the education made this country greater, but it also made the schools greedier. When education started becoming a commodity fighting for your dollar, it became a downward spiral with an exponentially growing price tag.

It used to be, however, that only a very few would take out loans for education. It just wasn't heard of. Lending became more insidious and more prevalent over the past 2 or 3 generations, as did our sense of "entitlement at any APR."

Some choose not to go to college because they don't think they will be able to repay the loans. (Anyone with a gen ed or art degree working retail/food service?) Some don't go because they have job opportunities that they can't afford to pass up at the time. (and sometimes that pans out, and sometimes they're in a dead end wage spiral) Some wait until they are certain what they want and have the passion to get a job in that field.
Personally, I started college to get out of my parents house. I returned to college because I needed to improve my earnings potential or accept higher risk jobs at that time. I went straight into a master's program after that because I felt it was a good opportunity, and because I felt I had something to prove.
I worked hard, have no debt at this time, a serious degree, and yet...
I am currently working on getting my state's teaching certification. In the meantime, I'm making the same kind of money I made working in a cubical by installing tile, hanging drywall, painting, working as an electrician's assistant, and taking off whenever I need to. I've got freedom of flexibility, I've got the same average weekly income (some weeks I make more other weeks I work less), and I've got less pressure with more sense of accomplishment. I know many people in the trades that DO enjoy their work, and I DO enjoy the work, too. I will go back to leaning on my education, though. It has a longer-term appeal for me and I am a bigger picture thinker. You see, the reason that I am getting my teaching credentials is so that I can be That Guy. The Guy that said something to someone. The Guy that took the time. The Guy that listened. The Guy that cared. The Guy that made a difference. I know I can't be That Guy for everyone, but I know that I can reach more in Education. I want to teach public school, middle school math. With my highfalootin masters degree, I can do many a thing for a lot more money. I see it, however, as a chance to voluntarily have my hands bound as to how I can serve, and my mouth gagged about what I can say, but still get to minister to children. It's a lot like the people that go to China or North Korea to do mission work under the guise of teaching English or whatever. I'm going to have to be similarly careful, too.
But yes, there are lots of Brilliant auto mechanics, electricians, concrete form carpenters (I knew one with an IQ in the top 1%), lawnmower-jockeys, and general laborers that are content and not drowning in student loan debt.
The trick in the end is not to base happiness on standard of living. Find work you enjoy, figure out how to survive on that, and aim for content instead of trying to buy Happiness. Bought happiness has planned obsolescence and a mid year model change every time.

Your turn. I've said all I will.
 

Oncefallen

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#52
a government working for the people would never let the economy drop into the pathetic state that is in. Maybe if we werent trilliopns in debt this wouldnt be an issue.
You get no argument from me here. We most likely would disagree on how it got this bad and how it needs to be fixed but there's no need to debate that here.

Heck when my parents went through college they could pay their way ooff of income from summer jobs. Nowadays education has gotten so far out of hand that tuition is through the roof along with interest rates.


Higher education has become a big business over the past few decades with most of the money ending up in outrageously high salaries for school administrators. A few years back I was considering taking some college classes to potentially open up additional opportunities for moving up in my industry and quickly sidelined the idea when I saw how much debt I would end up buried in.


And why would you not go to college? Does being lower-middle class with some blue collar job actually appeal to some people?
Actually I have enjoyed my blue collar existence for a good number of years. Sure I would like to make more money than I do, but all in all I can't complain. In reality if you look around there are a lot of "blue collar" jobs that pay extremely well and I wish I had known about them in my younger years.
 

rachelsedge

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Higher education has become a big business over the past few decades with most of the money ending up in outrageously high salaries for school administrators.
I went to a private Christian college, knowing full well how much it cost. I have a bunch of student debt, but less than a lot of other people through scholarships and such. I could have gone to a college closer to home for free, but I wanted to spread my wings a little bit. Despite the cost, I wouldn't trade my experiences there.

ANYWAY, I graduated 2 years ago. I get calls sometimes asking if I'd like to make a donation. I kindly and politely decline because it's typically work-study students calling and I know they don't have a choice, but I want to say, "Are you kidding me? You charge a hand and a foot to attend your school, I'm not even close to paying off my current student debt, and the school is having you call me to ask for more money? ​Forget that."
 

rachelsedge

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My previous post double posted so I'm editing this one...

*Dances instead*
 
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Charcoal

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this one's for you Midnite ;)

 
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MidniteWelder

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#56
hahaha that's hilarious Charcoal
Do I get both for being my own attorney for the last 19 years?
:p
 
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RickyZ

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I voted, but I don't know why. We have politicians who campaign on promises they don't intend to keep; by millions we vote in laws only to have them stopped by a single individual; we pass bonds for one thing only to see them stolen for another... the average voter is horribly ignorant and misinformed and votes by sound bite; and even informed voters can be counted on to vote against their best interests.

That gasping sound you just heard? That was the last dying breath of the US middle class. God help us all.