What does Occupy Wall Street protests, going on all over world, mean to you ?

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As a christian single. do you plan on becoming a part of Occupy Wall Street movement?

  • Yes

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  • No

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  • Maybe, if the Lord leads

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Jullianna

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Liamson, this is exactly why I posted the story about the good Samaritan. As you know, the priest focused only on his own piety rather than showing mercy and compassion, as our Father in Heaven does. The pharisees of old didn't see it then and they don't see it now. They didn't understand Jesus' words and they will not understand ours unless and until the Spirit quickens them. There is a point at which we need to stop circling the mountain and simply trust that somehow, some way, God will open the eyes of the high-minded delusionals for whom being quarellsome and petty (and WAY off topic....) is acceptable, but compassion and mercy are not, right? :)

Love you, Brother :)
 
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Jullianna

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Seeing nazism and/or communism anywhere near the words “mercy”, “compassion” and/or the Name of the Lord makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit…
 
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Ramon

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Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1

“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Matthew 6:25-34

These are the Words of Jesus. What does this^ have to do with Occupy Wall Street? I suppose it could show a difference between the material and ministerial aim of Christianity and how it differs from OWS.

Carnal= Death, Spiritual = Life. Ramon if we were actually having this conversation in real life I would probably vigorously shake you. Spiritualism and ambiguous phrases which vaguely add nothing of critical substance to the conversation are driving me crazy. It is already an understood notion that Christianity is not OWS. So why then are we holding a political movement to the same accountability and end goal as Christianity?

At the end of the day, we are but figments in the imagination of a Creator who's very existence supersedes any concept we could fathom to measure Him by. So by my calculation to hold the things of God to disagreements among men is either incredibly silly or terribly disingenuous.
Every political movement will be held to the same accountability as the end goal of what Jesus said. We have to see that Jesus has all the answers to these things. If we focus on him, and his words, we will know what is of God and what is not, and we will know how to approach it.

The gospel of Jesus is the only good news. It seems right to a man to fight in this way with protests, but people have done this for generations, and even then, many people die never knowing Jesus.

Every government, every policy men create, every idle word someone speaks will be taken into account.

If I am delusional for saying this, and if I am high-minded in saying this, so be it.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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PostWar

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Some of the people who are signing to start "Occupy Wall Street" movements are members ( one is a well known lawyer) of the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Some of the people who are signing to start "Occupy Wall Street" movements are members ( one is a well known lawyer) of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Yes, and some of the members of the Republican Party are also members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

So?
 
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ChildrenofNoah

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If you wish to see what the BIBLE says about the NWO and the occupy wall street movement and the banks and all that then watch this.

An excellent 2 and a half hour documentary that explores all this stuff going on in the world currently from a biblical and historical perspective and saves a lot of time hunting for information. Highly recommended for those who have no idea what everyone is talking about and for those wanting to learn more.

NWO Secret Societies and Bible Prophecy - YouTube

Steve
 

zeroturbulence

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Just like the Occupy movement, this thread just won't die.
 

jb

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If Christians, instead of going out and protesting, applied themselves to earnest prayer and fulfilled the injunction in 1Tim 2v1-8 (with Dan 4v17, Rom 13v1-7), they would accomplish so very much more! ;)
 
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Jullianna

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Thanks for that, jb. :) If we truly want to be worldchangers, why not just be all that God has called us to be rather than campers?
Imagine what could happen if our lives lifted HIM up.

And I, if I be lifted up will draw all unto Me. John 12:32
 
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GreenNnice

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If Christians, instead of going out and protesting, applied themselves to earnest prayer and fulfilled the injunction in 1Tim 2v1-8 (with Dan 4v17, Rom 13v1-7), they would accomplish so very much more! ;)
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Who is to say that OWS protesters are not applying themselves ? Maybe God wants them there. Are you inside The Believer's head? Can you see what God is saying to them? Of course not. For all you, and I, know, they are camping out at a camp at night and teaching kids in public school during the day. People come and go, it is wrong to assume they are a bunch of bums doing nothing. Some are. But some....



I encourage EVERYONE to not think that people are NOT using their talents from God by being 'campers' at OWS, just saying that God is in control of our lives, it is a PERSONAL relationship He has with each one of us. When we are at the Judgment Seat after we die, we are there by ourself, I believe that is how it goes in Rev. Will have to look it up, or, you can ;)

And to judge someone as being lazy and not applying themselves just because they are supporting something they believe in because God has them believin' then that is a good thing for that person to believe in. :) That would be following the proverbial 'will of God.'

I should read moe of the recent posts as I didn't realize the bible view on OWS was out there. God wants us to follow Him, that is ALL I am saying, but that is a lot :D
 
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aussieguy

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i know absolutely nothing about occupy wall street it has got a little bit of air time when it first happend here in australia and all i remember is some guy from it being interviewed and saying how the jews were in control of all the money and we got to stop them thats all i remember lol its always the wacky ones you remember haha

but if its about wanting socialist legalised theft where its all about where they want to rob from the rich and give to the poor than thats messed up and wrong. robbing someone of their hard earnt money to give to the poor how do they know they are already not donating to charities and helping the poor and those that cant help themselves and to then take money form them further not cool.

i watched a video of some university students in america asking students to use that same principal for giving up their hard earnt grades to help those not doing so well and lets just say they didnt like that one too much haha

im not saying we shouldnt help the poor and those that cant help themselves cause we should do so very much especially as christians its something we should absolutely do but to somehow legalise theft by forcefully taking something and giving to someone else is not cool. our giving and compassion should come from the heart and should come from those hearts of those who are wealthy such as bill gates and his wife do so much charity work and poor billions of dollars into it and its coming from their hearts
 
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aussieguy

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again i have no idea if this is what occupy is all about sorri and i could be completely wrong but from what i can piece together it could be thats why they are trying to do
 
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violakat

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OWS wants things like :
Living conditions good for all.
Let's face it, we all want to live in a home that is safe. Many people don't have that chance, because of the current economic situation. Now I realize, that there are a huge group that would rather have the government pay for them, that the government owes them, because of what ever, but in general, I don't think this is most people. The problem is, how do we define is a good living condition?

Work opportunities fair for all.
Everyone has opportunity to work, as long as they are willing to do the dirty work. If I were hiring someone, and I had two potential candidates with equal qualifications, and Candidate A worked at McDonald's for a few years, while Candidate B has never held a job, I will more then likely hire A. Simply because he's proven himself. A lot of people seem to have the attitude that menial work is beneath them. If they can't have the $50 an hour/white collar job, then they don't want to work.

Forgiveness of student, personal and, home mortgage debts /loans
Personally, I feel that if you got into the debt, you need to work your way out of it, even if it takes years. I have hospital debt as well as educational debt. I do not expect that these should be forgiven. Instead, I believe that I need to work to get rid of this. Honestly, if you don't think you will be able to pay it off in your life time, then you should not get loans. Medical debt is one thing, Educational, home loans, etc... are another thing.

Minimum wage of $20 an hour .
I'm sorry, but some jobs are not worth $20 an hour, like acting. Okay, I know many actors/actresses will probably say that they are worth a billion dollars, because they do the world good. But personally, I value farmers, school teachers, and sales people more than actors and actresses.

Healthcare for all
I really can understand this, but what we have to understand, even if we have governmental insurance, we are still paying for it, in someway or another. Yes, we do need health reform. My boss's wife mentioned the other day that she remembered when she was a little girl, there was no insurance and people payed $25 just to see the doctor. It's amazing how health insurance, the thing that is suppose to be the savior of all, has come in and change the entire system around. People who can not afford health insurance, or who are denied health insurance usually have to pay twice as much as everyone else. And it's simply because health insurance determines the rate of what everything should cost.

As for the current government's plan on health care, I have serious concerns. No, I'm not opposed to socialist healthcare. However, I do believe that before we do go this route, it needs to be really studied. Lets look at countries that have a socialistic health care system and see how it has affected them. We might be surprised.

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As for being an OWS, I really don't know what I would do in the future. Personally, I understand a lot of what many Americans go through, because of what my family has gone through these last few years. My sister isn't working, not because she doesn't want to, but because the jobs are not there. My brother is in a catch 22, because of his disability. If he tries to take classes that will allow him to train for a job he might could do, his disability insurance is revoked. Yet, he barely survives on what he makes.

I have a friend who's in another state that currently is homeless, she and 3 or 4 of her 7 children. (Yes, she is someone I've known personally for years.) Her husband left, to go back to his home country, and she was not able to pay for the rent. Unfortunately, because she has boys who are over a certain age (9??), she is not able to stay in a women's shelter.

There are other people who get trapped in the welfare system. If they make a certain amount of money, then they can't survive, but if the get welfare, they can, but just barely.

It's easy to say that people who live this life can easily get out of it. That they are really lazy and want everyone to feed them bread and butter. But unless you've been in these situation, you really have no clue.
 
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jb

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Who is to say that OWS protesters are not applying themselves ? Maybe God wants them there. Are you inside The Believer's head? Can you see what God is saying to them? Of course not. For all you, and I, know, they are camping out at a camp at night and teaching kids in public school during the day. People come and go, it is wrong to assume they are a bunch of bums doing nothing. Some are. But some....



I encourage EVERYONE to not think that people are NOT using their talents from God by being 'campers' at OWS, just saying that God is in control of our lives, it is a PERSONAL relationship He has with each one of us. When we are at the Judgment Seat after we die, we are there by ourself, I believe that is how it goes in Rev. Will have to look it up, or, you can ;)

And to judge someone as being lazy and not applying themselves just because they are supporting something they believe in because God has them believin' then that is a good thing for that person to believe in. :) That would be following the proverbial 'will of God.'

I should read moe of the recent posts as I didn't realize the bible view on OWS was out there. God wants us to follow Him, that is ALL I am saying, but that is a lot :D
Let me put it another way...

Protesting and demonstrating are the ways of the worldling...Praying is and should be the way of the Christian!
 
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zeroturbulence

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...My boss's wife mentioned the other day that she remembered when she was a little girl, there was no insurance and people payed $25 just to see the doctor. It's amazing how health insurance, the thing that is suppose to be the savior of all, has come in and change the entire system around.
Yes, that is a great point, Kat! I think the same thing happened with the auto repair industry. Once insurance companies started footing the bill for everything, prices went up and up so that people needed insurance just to afford what was once reasonably priced services.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Yes, that is a great point, Kat! I think the same thing happened with the auto repair industry. Once insurance companies started footing the bill for everything, prices went up and up so that people needed insurance just to afford what was once reasonably priced services.
Well, that's part of it. But there are other things that have caused the sharp increase in medical costs:

-The medical industry is far more complex than it once was. The average family doctor did not have the kind of diagnostic tools in his or her office 50 years ago that an office has today. These tools cost millions of dollars. And yes, doctors share an office (10 or so in an office) and split the cost of this equipment among them, but it's still a lot. If you think it's not worth it, consider how many people died of influenza or the common cold just 50-100 years ago as compared to today. What price tag would you put on human life?

-Doctors have to pay a lot in malpractice insurance. Tort reform is part of the new healthcare reform bill that was recently passed ("Obamacare," as some people are calling it). There are cases where doctors are truly negligent, but a lot of the cases that have gone to court are not really the fault of the doctor; they're just typical problems that happen. In some cases, we can blame the individuals for being greedy. But there are also cases where insurance companies are forcing families to take doctors to court. The insurance companies sometimes refuse to pay, claiming that something is caused by an accident and needs to be paid by the cause of the accident, and forces the family to sue the doctor or have to pay millions out of their own pocket. Single-payer medical would solve this problem, but of course the US doesn't want that.

-Each American is paying for themselves plus uninsured persons. Hospitals are required to take in people, even if they have no insurance. However, a clinic or doctor's office is not required to do so. And pharmacies are certainly not required to provide medicine free of charge or at reduced rates to those who have no insurance. So let's say you have no insurance, and you get sick. Do you go to the doctor? No. You wait until it's life-threatening, and then you go to the ER. So something that might have been able to be treated with a simple $50 doctor visit or $20 scrip now needs a $1,000 ER visit. And who's footing that bill? Well, the hospital will bill the patient, and the patient will claim bankruptcy. So the hospital will have to swallow the costs. What does that mean? That means it has to raise its rates to its "paying customers." This is why Obamacare is so important. If everyone has insurance, costs will go down for everyone.

I don't understand why people are against Obamacare. It really is a great plan.
 

zeroturbulence

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The only real problem I have with Obamacare is that it forces everyone to buy health insurance. If you don't want to buy auto insurance you can choose to not drive a car. You can't choose to not exist. Its not like a tax hike either where they charge you according to your income level and allow you deductions for things. They just want to force everyone to buy insurance whether they like it or not. If insurance was $10 a month that might not be a problem, but as we all know it is a very substantial cost.

You're right about the industry being more sophisticated with more expensive equipment and stuff, but have the costs really gone up fairly? I mean some of these drugs cost hundreds of dollars for each individual pill. Its a racket. The racket could not exist if there was still free enterprise at work where companies competed with each other for your business.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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The only real problem I have with Obamacare is that it forces everyone to buy health insurance. If you don't want to buy auto insurance you can choose to not drive a car. You can't choose to not exist. Its not like a tax hike either where they charge you according to your income level and allow you deductions for things. They just want to force everyone to buy insurance whether they like it or not. If insurance was $10 a month that might not be a problem, but as we all know it is a very substantial cost.
I hear you. This is a good point, and in a free country, it doesn't seem right to force people to do anything. However, in the plan that was passed, there are options for low-income persons, and there are also options for people who don't want to participate. I think it's fair, and it certainly will help the problem.