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[R3V07UTI0N]

This is what I believe friends.

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11) Old Testament
besides the Father there is no Saviour.
What?!? How can this be if Jesus is our Saviour?!? Yes the Father is Saviour "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"(2 Timothy 1:10) New Testament

"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."(Isaiah 45:23) Old Testament
Every knee shall bow unto the Father.
Yes every knee shall bow down to God! "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"(Philippians 2:10)New Testament

You may ask how can this be if it destroys the trinity doctrine of three different "persons", Jesus never says I am ONE OF THREE. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."(Galatians 3:20) not a mediator of one Trinity but God is One.

How can this be? there is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father.

Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am "he", ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24) we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.

Don't be like the Jews who did not understand His meaning just cuz He said He is the Father.

"Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."(Isaiah 52:6) Old Testament
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."(John 14:10) New Testament

In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)

In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" the Apostles understood in the name(singular) not plural making it one name not three.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."(Acts 2:38)

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)
THE NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."(Revelation 1:8)

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)
There is not three different persons but One living God.
"...God was manifest in the flesh..."(1 Timothy 3:16)
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."(Colossians 2:9)

 

[dscherck]

So you're a Sabellian believer?

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

This is what I believe friends.

I hope you realize that what you described is EXACTLY what the doctrine of the Trinity says. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Spirit is God. They are all the same ONE God. That is what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches.

So you are a Trinitarian. You can stick your fingers in your ears and say "la la la la" all you want. That doesn't change what God is.

 

[dscherck]

Not quite. What he's describing seems to be a variant of Modalism.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Not quite. What he's describing seems to be a variant of Modalism.

Good point ... he is insisting on compounding the three rather than letting each exist. But his reasoning ... the Biblical "proofs" that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all part of the ONE God ... that is textbook.

And like I said, he can stick his fingers in his ears and say "La la la la" all he wants. That won't change Who God is.

 

[Tanny]

Hey .. im glad to see catholics here .. im roman catholic, from Slovakia
..i dont pray liturgy of hours very often.. im very lazy person (.. but i rersonaly like it very much.. its beautiful with beautiful meaning

 

[Tanny]

Hey everyone my name is Tanja and im roman catholic.... im from slovakia and tehre are most of people roman c... and im very happy to find this side bcs. there arent on cc so many catholics... ... so nice to met you brothers

 

[zeroturbulence]

Hey everyone my name is Tanja and im roman catholic.... im from slovakia and tehre are most of people roman c... and im very happy to find this side bcs. there arent on cc so many catholics... ... so nice to met you brothers

Hi Tanja. Very nice to meet you. I'm roman catholic too, but I don't even know what the Liturgy of the Hours is. I only know the rosary and chaplet of Divine Mercy.

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

I hope you realize that what you described is EXACTLY what the doctrine of the Trinity says. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Spirit is God. They are all the same ONE God. That is what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches.

So you are a Trinitarian. You can stick your fingers in your ears and say "la la la la" all you want. That doesn't change what God is.

That is not trinitarian it's oneness of God....there is not three different "persons" there is only one Spirit of God: the Father is Spirit in fact a Holy Spirit, the Son is flesh with the same Spirit of God and the Holy Ghost is the same Holy Spirit of the Father. One Spirit many manifestations.

The Lamb and the Lion
The Carpenter and the Door
The Alpha and Omega
The First and the Last
The Beginning and the End
The Pastor and the Lamb
The Servant and the King
The Father and the Son
The Burning bush
The Cloud that covered the Israelites in the day
The Fire that gave light at night
Many more Jesus Christ is God.

I just believe what the word of God says not the word of man

 

[zeroturbulence]

Well at least he half agrees We believe they are all one also, except they are also separate. I know its hard to comprehend but I heard a pastor explain it this way: Imagine a ball of clay. Now take off some clay from the ball and make a small ball of clay from it. The two balls are still both clay and both are of the same substance and makeup, yet they are separate even though they are the same.

 

[zeroturbulence]

..continued...

That is how we interpret that they are all God, but separate beings...otherwise how could Jesus pray to his Father in the garden ("Father, please let this cup pass from me"). If he was not separate he would be praying to himself, and that wouldn't make sense.

 

[dscherck]

Hi Tanja. Very nice to meet you. I'm roman catholic too, but I don't even know what the Liturgy of the Hours is. I only know the rosary and chaplet of Divine Mercy.

Liturgy of the Hours online!

 

[zeroturbulence]

Liturgy of the Hours online!

Ok! ok!

 

[Tanny]

Im sorry for posting too nearly same messages but i have problems with posting on cc.. :/..... btw who prays rosary?

 

[dscherck]

Im sorry for posting too nearly same messages but i have problems with posting on cc.. :/..... btw who prays rosary?

I am a convert, so I really haven't gotten into the Rosary yet. I do try to pray regularly and try my best to pray the liturgy of the hours when I remember. I do want to get into a regular prayer practice such as the Rosary or some other devotional/meditative prayer. We should really set up a time to meet in the chat rooms and pray the liturgy of the hours or the rosary.

 

[Tanny]

I am a convert, so I really haven't gotten into the Rosary yet. I do try to pray regularly and try my best to pray the liturgy of the hours when I remember. I do want to get into a regular prayer practice such as the Rosary or some other devotional/meditative prayer. We should really set up a time to meet in the chat rooms and pray the liturgy of the hours or the rosary.

I really have to pray it, but i also cand get into a regular prayer... my lazyness really drives me crazy... but when i pray it i feel how great it is...

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

Well at least he half agrees We believe they are all one also, except they are also separate. I know its hard to comprehend but I heard a pastor explain it this way: Imagine a ball of clay. Now take off some clay from the ball and make a small ball of clay from it. The two balls are still both clay and both are of the same substance and makeup, yet they are separate even though they are the same.

That is how I believe there is only one Spirit of God and the clay you speak of represents the Spirit so what you say is monotheism what I believe. The same 1 God but in three manifestations as the Father(Creator), Son(Redeemer), Holy Ghost(Comforter). I believe in monotheism just like the Jews and the Muslims except I'm Christian. So if you believe what you are saying the you believe in the oneness of God and His omnipresence. The only thing is that you don't let go of the word Trinity. I also don't believe in graven images or polytheism.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;" (Exodus 20:3-5)

 

[rodogg]

Hey everyone, back from World Youth Day in Madrid, amazing experience, around 2 million Catholics celebrating their faith in one place, singing, shouting, praying and mainly loving Jesus. YAY!

 

[dscherck]

That is how I believe there is only one Spirit of God and the clay you speak of represents the Spirit so what you say is monotheism what I believe. The same 1 God but in three manifestations as the Father(Creator), Son(Redeemer), Holy Ghost(Comforter). I believe in monotheism just like the Jews and the Muslims except I'm Christian. So if you believe what you are saying the you believe in the oneness of God and His omnipresence. The only thing is that you don't let go of the word Trinity. I also don't believe in graven images or polytheism.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;" (Exodus 20:3-5)

Neither do we believe polytheism or graven images. Graven images are images worshipped instead of God. No Catholic does that. However, the use of statues and images to worship God is fine and has considerable Scriptural support.

That said, what you're espousing is Modalism/Sabellianism. It's a pretty old heresy. God is not one person in three different roles. God is one God, but three distinct persons. The Father is God and is a person. The Son is God and is a person. And the Holy Spirit is God and is a person. One God, three persons.

 

[Tanny]

Hey everyone, back from World Youth Day in Madrid, amazing experience, around 2 million Catholics celebrating their faith in one place, singing, shouting, praying and mainly loving Jesus. YAY!

Heyyyy .. you´ve been in Madrid on JMJ..thats great!.. i was wondering if there is anyone on cc who was there... how was it?.. well i was looking on mess on sunday and adoration day before on tv. that was realy amazing and beautiful.. you must have really nice memories.. i wished so much to be there... ... and what was the most bautiful expirience for you there?