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  • Latin Rite

    Votes: 3 7.5%
  • Eastern Rite

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Orthodox (All types)

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • Not Catholic

    Votes: 30 75.0%

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Warrior44

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Hey guys i just got back too! It was pretty awesome. My favorite experience was the over night vigil. All day we waited for the Pope in 117 degree farenheit heat and then when he did arrive and started his speech it started pouring. Then we camped out all night in the airfield. Way too much fun.
 
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Warrior44

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Esta es - la juventud de papa!
 
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Tanny

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Hey guys i just got back too! It was pretty awesome. My favorite experience was the over night vigil. All day we waited for the Pope in 117 degree farenheit heat and then when he did arrive and started his speech it started pouring. Then we camped out all night in the airfield. Way too much fun.

Well i was watching the vigil.. i felt so much love and peace while watching it.... im so sad that i wasnt there :(...but i hope that i will be on next JMJ in Rio.. it must be really strong and amazing experience :).. but im happy for people like u that are having so beautiful memories and are "Firmes en la fé" ;)
 
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R3V07UTI0N

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Neither do we believe polytheism or graven images. Graven images are images worshipped instead of God. No Catholic does that. However, the use of statues and images to worship God is fine and has considerable Scriptural support.

That said, what you're espousing is Modalism/Sabellianism. It's a pretty old heresy. God is not one person in three different roles. God is one God, but three distinct persons. The Father is God and is a person. The Son is God and is a person. And the Holy Spirit is God and is a person. One God, three persons.
If it's three different "persons" then that makes three different gods because Father,Son,Holy Ghost is God.
That is what you are telling me basically. And that would be polytheism
 
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Hey guys i just got back too! It was pretty awesome. My favorite experience was the over night vigil. All day we waited for the Pope in 117 degree farenheit heat and then when he did arrive and started his speech it started pouring. Then we camped out all night in the airfield. Way too much fun.
Wow! Glad you are back and glad you got to see the Pope! :D

(note to non-catholics: we don't actually worship the Pope. Thousands came to see the apostles speak too. No, I know the Pope is not an apostle.)
 

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If it's three different "persons" then that makes three different gods because Father,Son,Holy Ghost is God.
That is what you are telling me basically. And that would be polytheism
No, that is what the Christian faith believes. One God, three persons. You're limiting God here. We may not comprehend it, but God is quite capable of being one God and still having three persons.
 
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R3V07UTI0N

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The Bible never says the Father is a person....or the Holy Ghost a person.....because it's says Spirit not flesh or persons....only Jesus is 100% man(person) and 100% God. I'm not limiting God you are comparing the Father and the Holy Ghost with flesh...

In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)

One God
One Spirit of God
Monotheism
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Jesus Christ the everlasting Father



"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."(Isaiah 9:6)
 
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The Bible never says the Father is a person....or the Holy Ghost a person.....because it's says Spirit not flesh or persons....only Jesus is 100% man(person) and 100% God. I'm not limiting God you are comparing the Father and the Holy Ghost with flesh...

In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)

One God
One Spirit of God
Monotheism
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Jesus Christ the everlasting Father



"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."(Isaiah 9:6)

We call the Father and the Holy Spirit persons in order to make distinctions that there are THREE different aspects of ONE True God.

God has revealed Himself in 3 distinct persons; the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God in essence but 3 different modes of operation, and so thus we call the three operations "persons" in order to know what we are talking about. To know that God used three different aspects (persons) of His one being in order to save us.
 
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Tanny

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Is anybody here who s having YOUCAT? :)
 
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Warrior44

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Is anybody here who s having YOUCAT? :)
Yes ma'am! All the world youth day pilgrims received one as a personal gift from the Holy Father. i had one before though so now i have two. Very good book. Im working on reading it straight through. Do you have it?
 
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The Catholic Church butchered countless (some say millions -- 50 million) Christians simply for not conforming to their contaminated faith. I don't remember Jesus ever teaching his disciples to do that -- "John said to him, 'Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me.'" Mark 9:38, 39.

They have no Scriptural basis for many of their dogmas; however, the Lord told me, "do not speak against them; they are My people" so I know that they are His people, in spite of these fallacies (God expends as much mercy on me as He does on them).
 
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Doc Marquis -- former Illuminist (Illuminati/Luciferian/Satanist) and Master Witch -- has a series where he explains many aspects of the Catholic Church's beliefs as having been born of pagan roots: he said when he was still a practicing witch, he could go to a Catholic "mass", and feel "right at home".

That being said, God loves the Catholics, and so do I; but I differ with them on doctrine.
 

dscherck

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The Catholic Church butchered countless (some say millions -- 50 million) Christians simply for not conforming to their contaminated faith. I don't remember Jesus ever teaching his disciples to do that -- "John said to him, 'Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me.'" Mark 9:38, 39.

They have no Scriptural basis for many of their dogmas; however, the Lord told me, "do not speak against them; they are My people" so I know that they are His people, in spite of these fallacies (God expends as much mercy on me as He does on them).
*yawn*

Oh look! Someone who's never actually researched what we believe!

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TheGrungeDiva

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Doc Marquis -- former Illuminist (Illuminati/Luciferian/Satanist) and Master Witch -- has a series where he explains many aspects of the Catholic Church's beliefs as having been born of pagan roots: he said when he was still a practicing witch, he could go to a Catholic "mass", and feel "right at home".

That being said, God loves the Catholics, and so do I; but I differ with them on doctrine.
This is true: many Christian symbols are based on Pagan traditions.

Are you saying any Christian tradition that has any Pagan roots is wrong? Perhaps we should change the celebration of Christ's Birth away from Dec. 25, then, and we certainly should not have Christmas trees, colored lights, or feasts in that time.

Perhaps we shouldn't celebrate Easter, either, that's completely Pagan.

Sorry, but it's not "the Catholics" who established those traditions, it's THE CHURCH. If you are Christian, you are part of that same Church, like it or not.

Same goes for your previous post about the millions (?) of people "the church" slaughtered. Yes, we Christians have a questionable history. To claim it was "some other church" that did all the bad stuff is disingenuous at best. There is only ONE CHURCH of Jesus Christ. We all share in her glory, and we all share in her shame. Unless you reject Christianity completely.

Yes, protestants have some different doctrines than catholics. Neither side has a monopoly on Truth, or is completely sinless.
 
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Warrior44

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Doc Marquis -- former Illuminist (Illuminati/Luciferian/Satanist) and Master Witch -- has a series where he explains many aspects of the Catholic Church's beliefs as having been born of pagan roots: he said when he was still a practicing witch, he could go to a Catholic "mass", and feel "right at home".
Woa! What church is that!?
 
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This is true: many Christian symbols are based on Pagan traditions.

Are you saying any Christian tradition that has any Pagan roots is wrong? Perhaps we should change the celebration of Christ's Birth away from Dec. 25, then, and we certainly should not have Christmas trees, colored lights, or feasts in that time.

Perhaps we shouldn't celebrate Easter, either, that's completely Pagan.

Sorry, but it's not "the Catholics" who established those traditions, it's THE CHURCH. If you are Christian, you are part of that same Church, like it or not.

Same goes for your previous post about the millions (?) of people "the church" slaughtered. Yes, we Christians have a questionable history. To claim it was "some other church" that did all the bad stuff is disingenuous at best. There is only ONE CHURCH of Jesus Christ. We all share in her glory, and we all share in her shame. Unless you reject Christianity completely.

Yes, protestants have some different doctrines than catholics. Neither side has a monopoly on Truth, or is completely sinless.
Actually, I don't personally celebrate His birth on December 25th, because He wasn't born on that day -- though, it is most likely the day or close to the day when the wise men brought Him gifts when He was already a toddler.

Once again, I am only a "Protestant" by (society's) default, because of having a faith that isn't RCC; however, that is a misnomer, because the RCC didn't exist from the beginning of the Church, so I do not have to "protest" the RCC's dogmas to just go along and believe what the Word of God teaches.

Us "Protestants" (so-called) aren't big on 'symbols', anyways (or 'images'), etc.; but, actually, it isn't just 'symbols' that are straight from paganism, but their beliefs, as well. Queen of Heaven, the LITERAL blood and flesh of Jesus, etc., etc., -- I held the belief that calling her the Queen of Heaven was a sin BEFORE I came into contact with Doc Marquis's teachings, but his information completely strengthened and concretized my persuasions.
 
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Same goes for your previous post about the millions (?) of people "the church" slaughtered. Yes, we Christians have a questionable history. To claim it was "some other church" that did all the bad stuff is disingenuous at best. There is only ONE CHURCH of Jesus Christ. We all share in her glory, and we all share in her shame. Unless you reject Christianity completely.
Actually, if you read Revelation 2 & 3, you will see though there is a singular church, that singular church is comprised of many local churches; to say that a certain church is responsible for certain actions is not incorrect at all: even Jesus addressed singular, localized churches -- was Jesus rejecting "Christianity" when He did this? I think not.
 
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rodogg

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This is true: many Christian symbols are based on Pagan traditions.

Are you saying any Christian tradition that has any Pagan roots is wrong? Perhaps we should change the celebration of Christ's Birth away from Dec. 25, then, and we certainly should not have Christmas trees, colored lights, or feasts in that time.

Perhaps we shouldn't celebrate Easter, either, that's completely Pagan.

Sorry, but it's not "the Catholics" who established those traditions, it's THE CHURCH. If you are Christian, you are part of that same Church, like it or not.

Same goes for your previous post about the millions (?) of people "the church" slaughtered. Yes, we Christians have a questionable history. To claim it was "some other church" that did all the bad stuff is disingenuous at best. There is only ONE CHURCH of Jesus Christ. We all share in her glory, and we all share in her shame. Unless you reject Christianity completely.

Yes, protestants have some different doctrines than catholics. Neither side has a monopoly on Truth, or is completely sinless.
I appreciate what you're saying there, nice to see that you aren't just sending us all to hell out of your ignorance about us. :) There's a lot of that going around. Let's not let this thread turn into an arguement thread though!
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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though, it is most likely the day or close to the day when the wise men brought Him gifts when He was already a toddler.
Do you have any evidence for the wise men's visit being in the winter? The Church celebrates the sages' visit on January 6, and again, they know it isn't the actual day, but it was the day chosen for that celebration.

I notice you left out any discussion of "Easter"....

Once again, I am only a "Protestant" by (society's) default, because of having a faith that isn't RCC; however, that is a misnomer, because the RCC didn't exist from the beginning of the Church, so I do not have to "protest" the RCC's dogmas to just go along and believe what the Word of God teaches.
1) The RCC has existed for at least 1700 years. You don't have to like it, but you shouldn't lie about it.

2) Every time you judge the Church, you reject what the Word of God teaches. That doesn't make you a protestant.

Us "Protestants" (so-called) aren't big on 'symbols', anyways (or 'images'), etc.
I completely disagree. Do you swear on the Bible? Do you read Jesus' parables, that were all about symbolism and analogies?

If not, you're not a Christian. If so, then you can't claim you "aren't big on symbols".

the LITERAL blood and flesh of Jesus
Oh, so you DON'T believe the Bible when Jesus says, "THIS IS MY BODY, THIS IS MY BLOOD"? At least in this case, Catholics are being true to the Word of God. You don't have to take the Bible literally in order to be a Christian, but at the very least, don't judge a group of Christians for choosing to take one portion literally that you choose not to take that way, and then (of all things!) accuse THEM of ignoring Scripture.

At least Catholics admit when their traditions come from sources other than Scripture, which makes them more honest than a lot of evangelicals, if still wrong.

Just once, I'd like to hear an evangelical person admit that his or her belief in the Rapture was adding to the Bible what isn't there. I wouldn't scoff their erroneous beliefs if they just admitted they were extra-Scriptural.
 
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Do you have any evidence for the wise men's visit being in the winter? The Church celebrates the sages' visit on January 6, and again, they know it isn't the actual day, but it was the day chosen for that celebration.

I notice you left out any discussion of "Easter"....



1) The RCC has existed for at least 1700 years. You don't have to like it, but you shouldn't lie about it.

2) Every time you judge the Church, you reject what the Word of God teaches. That doesn't make you a protestant.



I completely disagree. Do you swear on the Bible? Do you read Jesus' parables, that were all about symbolism and analogies?

If not, you're not a Christian. If so, then you can't claim you "aren't big on symbols".



Oh, so you DON'T believe the Bible when Jesus says, "THIS IS MY BODY, THIS IS MY BLOOD"? At least in this case, Catholics are being true to the Word of God. You don't have to take the Bible literally in order to be a Christian, but at the very least, don't judge a group of Christians for choosing to take one portion literally that you choose not to take that way, and then (of all things!) accuse THEM of ignoring Scripture.

At least Catholics admit when their traditions come from sources other than Scripture, which makes them more honest than a lot of evangelicals, if still wrong.

Just once, I'd like to hear an evangelical person admit that his or her belief in the Rapture was adding to the Bible what isn't there. I wouldn't scoff their erroneous beliefs if they just admitted they were extra-Scriptural.
You must be Catholic; I'm not going to argue with you these things; I already know what that is like...

As far as you wanting to see evidence for these things -- wise men visiting Jesus on Dec 25th, etc., etc., etc., etc.,) check out "The Real Star of Bethlehem" for free @ The Real Star Of Bethlehem Part 1 of 7 - YouTube......