Catholics Get In Here! :)

[dscherck]

LOL, that's one way to put it. (Though I think most of the Orthodox would balk at the "first" part.)

I don't think they'll really balk at it per se. They will just vehemently disagree with the Catholics about what exactly that means and entails.

Hey, it's not important to me what you think of as valid. You won't be standing before me on judgment day

True.

FYI: The Anglican and Lutheran understandings of the Eucharist are slightly different from the Catholic understanding, as follows.

Catholics believe in "transubstantiation." That is, the elements of wine and bread, at the words of institution, become the body and blood of our Lord, and cease being wine and bread.
Lutherans teach "consubstantiation." The Body and Blood are there in the Bread and Wine -- both/and, not either/or. The elements don't cease being bread and wine. Christ's body is "in, with, and under" the earthly element of bread, and Christ's blood is "in, with, and under" the earthly element of wine.
Anglicans, in true form of the "via media," prefer not to make any grand theological statements about what, exactly, is happening. We believe that it is the Real Presence of Christ. How exactly it happens is a mystery.

If you're interested, Methodists believe that the bread and wine (or grape juice, in most cases) are symbols of Christ's body and blood. I would have to say that is not "real presence," but at least they also recognize Eucharist as a means of grace. It's not just "in remembrance of...." but something real is happening. By the time you get to Presbyterians, it's pretty much just a memorial service.

I thought it was funny that one of the Catholic posters (I forget which one now) claimed that the Catholic belief is "real presence," because that is exactly what the Episcopal Church calls it.

The Anglican viewpoint is more aligned with us Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. IE, we don't know how, but Jesus said it, we believe it. The Romans have had to more sharply define things because of numerous misunderstandings of the concept.

As long as you admit that Anglicans are no less "catholic" than Orthodox, we're in agreement (at least to that point.)

Well, Anglicans I will argue a bit more than some of the more.... progressive Episcopalians. But that's best suited to another thread I'd say.

FWIW, Anglicans all say the filioque, so in some ways we're "more" catholic than the Orthos.... (Of course, they would say that makes us more wrong. LOL)

We don't say the filioque in the Eastern Catholic rites. We used to be forced to do it, but that was because some well meaning, but misinformed Roman bishops tried to latinize us. I think it was Pope John Paul II who said we shouldn't be saying it in the Eastern rites. Huzzah JP2!

 

[Fencepost]

Well, I am not anything but a believer. If I had to choose one creed I think i would choose The Lone Ranger Creed:

The Lone Ranger Creed

I believe that to have a friend, a man must be one.

That all men are created equal and that everyone has within himself the power to make this a better world.

God put the firewood there. But every man must gather and light it himself.

I being prepared physically, mentally, and morally to fight when necessary for that which is right.

That a man should make the most of what equipment he has.

That this government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall live always.

That men should live by the rule of what is best for the greatest number according to the precepts of Lord God Almighty.

That sooner or later somewhere we must settle with the world and make payment for what we have taken.

That all things change but truth alone lives forever.


Hi Ho, Silver away!

 

[ChristianIFB]

I noticed some comments about how there are so few catholics on this website and how grateful that other catholics were to find each other on here. I would assume the reason would be that this website is Christianchat.com and since catholics are not Christian that would be the logical reason there are so few on here. I am grateful for people of all beliefs participating in these discussions and hopeful that this website will bring some clarity to people that are searching for Truth and have been decieved by men that have taken the Truth of God and changed it into a lie. If there was a website called catholicchat.com there would probly be very few Christians on there and the ones that were there quite possibly could be gathered in a discussion such as this one.

 

[dscherck]

I noticed some comments about how there are so few catholics on this website and how grateful that other catholics were to find each other on here. I would assume the reason would be that this website is Christianchat.com and since catholics are not Christian that would be the logical reason there are so few on here. I am grateful for people of all beliefs participating in these discussions and hopeful that this website will bring some clarity to people that are searching for Truth and have been decieved by men that have taken the Truth of God and changed it into a lie. If there was a website called catholicchat.com there would probly be very few Christians on there and the ones that were there quite possibly could be gathered in a discussion such as this one.

We Catholics ARE Christian.

 

[NiceneChristian]

I noticed some comments about how there are so few catholics on this website and how grateful that other catholics were to find each other on here. I would assume the reason would be that this website is Christianchat.com and since catholics are not Christian that would be the logical reason there are so few on here. I am grateful for people of all beliefs participating in these discussions and hopeful that this website will bring some clarity to people that are searching for Truth and have been decieved by men that have taken the Truth of God and changed it into a lie. If there was a website called catholicchat.com there would probly be very few Christians on there and the ones that were there quite possibly could be gathered in a discussion such as this one.

A Christian is someone who is transformed by Christ, who is made in His image. Have you been thus made yet brother?

Excuse us, but I have been deceived by no man. How old is your tradition? The Protestant tradition goes back only from the year 1517, while the Orthodox tradition (the ancient Church) goes all the way back to the Apostles. Sola Scriptura is a tradition on men, and it is the reason why there are over 38,000 Protestant sects today. This is because Protestant Christians are walking around like they are the Pope of Rome, thinking that they are infallible teachers just because they have the book (Bible). In reality, they are just following their own path of conceit and delusion, because their walk with God is self-planned and self-guided. They think they know better than the Christians who lived before them.

 

[ChristianIFB]

Fundamental Christians and Baptists will trace there roots back to when the First Century Church started with Jesus choosing his disciples and beginning his earthly ministry. The argument of how far you can trace your roots back to is useless to me thou. I wasn't talking about a Church or a place, I was talking about Jesus Christ. My Hope and my Faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ, not in a Church, not in Mary, a Pope, traditions of men, etc etc... Is there any record in history where a Baptist has murdered people for there belief in Christ? Does it seem after the heart of Christ for a Church to do that? Can it really be believable that the Pope or a Priest, (which the Bible says we are all believer Priests) are any closer to God than any one of us. How can a logical person really believe that, especially when we have the Perfect (Bible Canon) to tell us otherwise.
Romans 3:22-25 (KJV)
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1 John 2:1-2 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Timothy 2:1-5 (KJV)
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; [2] For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. [3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; [4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. [5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[ChristianIFB]

Here We Stand | Lancaster Baptist Church Sermon Videos

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

...catholics are not Christian...

How sad. And you call yourself a Christian.

For SHAME!

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Is there any record in history where a Baptist has murdered people for there belief in Christ?

Ummm ... yes.

Actually, evangelical Christians make up the highest percentage of prisoners in the US. Nice try, though. You just might want to get your facts straight before you spout off.

 

[NiceneChristian]

Fundamental Christians and Baptists will trace there roots back to when the First Century Church started with Jesus choosing his disciples and beginning his earthly ministry. The argument of how far you can trace your roots back to is useless to me thou. I wasn't talking about a Church or a place, I was talking about Jesus Christ. My Hope and my Faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ, not in a Church, not in Mary, a Pope, traditions of men, etc etc... Is there any record in history where a Baptist has murdered people for there belief in Christ? Does it seem after the heart of Christ for a Church to do that? Can it really be believable that the Pope or a Priest, (which the Bible says we are all believer Priests) are any closer to God than any one of us. How can a logical person really believe that, especially when we have the Perfect (Bible Canon) to tell us otherwise.
Romans 3:22-25 (KJV)
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1 John 2:1-2 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Timothy 2:1-5 (KJV)
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; [2] For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. [3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; [4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. [5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If you read my earlier post, you would see that I am not a Roman Catholic, I am an Eastern Orthodox (Eastern Catholic). We do not believe in the Pope, we have never had an Inquisition, and we do not worship Mary. We believe that we are the true Catholic Church and that is why we have the word "Orthodox" in our name, meaning "correct belief".

What makes you think Sola Scriptura is not a "tradition of men"? Christ never taught us this. He never said, "Follow every word of God directly as it is written". In fact, he said we must follow every word that "comes out of" the mouth of God, implying that the word of God is a spoken thing, not a word written on paper.

 

[ChristianIFB]

John 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 2:22 (KJV)
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 1:17-18 (KJV)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. [18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2 Timothy 4:2-5 (KJV)
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Hebrews 4:12-15 (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. [14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
James 1:21-27 (KJV)
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. [22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein , he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. [26] If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. [27] Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


1 Peter 1:23-25 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. [24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: [25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 2:2 (KJV)
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1 John 5:7 (KJV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2 Timothy 3:13-17 (KJV)
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them ; [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[dscherck]

Is there any record in history where a Baptist has murdered people for there belief in Christ?

Would you like me to list off some Catholic priests who were martyred by Baptists during the 1800s in the deep south?

 

[ChristianIFB]

You can list the priests if you like... Keep in mind that when someone has incorrectly used the word Priest or it's position as the Bible teaches it then you might very well be naming mere men that are in need of a Saviour and need the Blood atonement of Christ and his intercession and propitiation. I would like to read this list thou and I would gladly look them up... I really wanted to comment on this post and encourage everyone on here to get out your Bible (KJV) and read that thing.

 

[NiceneChristian]

John 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 2:22 (KJV)
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 1:17-18 (KJV)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. [18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2 Timothy 4:2-5 (KJV)
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Hebrews 4:12-15 (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. [14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
James 1:21-27 (KJV)
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. [22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein , he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. [26] If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. [27] Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


1 Peter 1:23-25 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. [24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: [25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 2:2 (KJV)
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1 John 5:7 (KJV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2 Timothy 3:13-17 (KJV)
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them ; [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The translation for the Greek word "WORD" in Greek is "LOGOS". Logos means, according to the Stong's Concordance:

3056 lo,goj logos {log'-os}
Meaning: 1) of speech 1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea 1b) what someone has said 1b1) a word 1b2) the sayings of God 1b3) decree, mandate or order 1b4) of the moral precepts given by God 1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets 1b6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim 1c) discourse 1c1) the act of speaking, speech 1c2) the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking 1c3) a kind or style of speaking 1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction 1d) doctrine, teaching 1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative 1f) matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law 1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed 2) its use as respect to the MIND alone 2a) reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating 2b) account, i.e. regard, consideration 2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score 2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment 2e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation 2e1) reason would 2f) reason, cause, ground 3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.


Sola Scriptura is the most infantile doctrine which self-professed Christians have ever come up with. People who use it are worse off than the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees because at least they had an excuse because they didn't have Christ. You are using the scriptures blindly, as though you were reading a dictionary or encyclopedia.

The word "WORD" has nothing to do with the KJV Bible, or any Bible in at all.

 

[Warrior44]

John 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 2:22 (KJV)
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 1:17-18 (KJV)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. [18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2 Timothy 4:2-5 (KJV)
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [5] But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Hebrews 4:12-15 (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. [14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
James 1:21-27 (KJV)
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. [22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein , he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. [26] If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. [27] Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


1 Peter 1:23-25 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. [24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: [25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 2:2 (KJV)
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1 John 5:7 (KJV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2 Timothy 3:13-17 (KJV)
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them ; [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

It is common knowledge among Christians that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God and that it is directly a source of Gods revelation to us right? But where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the ONLY source of Gods revelation?

 

[ChristianIFB]

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (KJV)
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [9] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [10] But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Does 1 Cor 13 teach that when the perfect is come(Bible canon) that there is no new revelation. All the fullness of God is revealed to us in scripture?

 

[dan1el]

The more we grow in the Lord, the more we'll have grown in LOVE... guys, this argument will never end -- there will be digging up of history, telling of facts, etc., etc., etc., and neither side will ever rest... but, the more we grow in the LORD (Truth), the more we'll grow in LOVE... in the Day, we'll be judged by the JUDGE; let's stop judging each other... and prepare one another for that Day...

 

[ChristianIFB]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Does this say all scripture plus something?
Does the bible teach Faith plus nothing?

 

[rodogg]

To all non-Catholics: This thread was not started as a theological debate or an area for arguement. Please do that elsewhere.

 

[ChristianIFB]

I will take my contention for the Faith elsewhere if there is not one man in here that wants to hear. I do not believe in casting my pearls before swine so they might be trampled on and I believe that because the Bible says so. I only came on here to attempt to persuade these men to turn to Christ. As a Bible Believing Christian I am for
Truth and against error and I did not consider what I have posted on here as arguments and I have not taken offense to any arguments presented by catholics. I am rooted and grounded in the Faith and I am a member of the body of Christ. I am a lively stone connected to the living stone Jesus Christ. When someone takes offense to others disputing what they say they believe I would think that the reason for that is because they do not 100percent truly believe what they are saying and so they naturally get defensive.