Does God want me to masturbate?

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lil-rush

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Because the only purpose of masturbating is for sexual gratification. It is a sexual act. When someone can partake in a sexual act without feeling lust, something is wrong. Depending on the circumstances, it is either the own person's problems, or the problem of whatever is causing the person to not feel lustful thoughts while partaking in sexual acts.

Since there isn't much to masturbating, but a person alone by him/herself, there isn't much to blame for a lack of lustful thoughts except that person's own brain.
 
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A lot of people use it as a stress reliever, doesn't mean that they are thinking lustful thoughts and does not mean there screwy in the head. Don't know where your getting your information thats tell you that it only has one purpose, because I am sorry, you are wrong.
 
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lil-rush

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I'm stating the facts.

Fact: masturbation is a sexual act.
Fact: one should feel some sort of lustful reaction when partaking in a sexual act.

Whether a person is doing it to lower chances of prostate cancer, to alleviate depression, to pleasure oneself while looking at porn, as a stress reliever, etc it is, and will always be, a sexual act.

One's body should react a certain way to sexual acts. When the body does not react correctly, something is wrong. Since everything in our body relies on our brain, if someone is reacting improperly to a sexual act, then that person is "messed up in the head," or, to put it in politically correct terms, there is something not working correctly in that person's brain.
 
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So is masturbation a sin if i'm married and my wife is at the store and Im fantasizing about her? or is it only sometimes a sin?
 
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panda_girl

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my take, i know i'm only 19 but hey, we all have our struggles right?

anyway, i think it really depends on the situation... ie, if you're like... a teenaged guy or something, and you see a provocative (sp?) picture of...say... Meagan Fox, then you're all like "Oh my word, that is HOT," and then you run home and masturbate while fantacizing about getting it on with her, I'm gonna say that that right there would be sinful, because that's lust...

Now, if you're a married man, and you're thinking about your wife, and how amazing she was last night, but she isn't home do recreate the events... yes, technically, it's still lust... but is lusting for something that's already yours really a sin? I don't think so... but that's just me
 
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periksandeep

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wierd thread but very good question ! its very normal question to every person .... but i would oppose that myself, because when you wanna do it you will certainly do it thinking about someone , god said even if you think bad (lustful things) about other person in ur heart that equals committing adultery . So say NO to masturbation , well you cant help it if it slips off in your sleep lol


This is what the lord said!

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed ADULTERY with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into HELL."
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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So is masturbation a sin if i'm married and my wife is at the store and Im fantasizing about her? or is it only sometimes a sin?


I myself don't see that as a sin, but then again why if your married would you masturbate thinking about your wife, when you could just wait for her to come home and just have sex.
 
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I myself don't see that as a sin, but then again why if your married would you masturbate thinking about your wife, when you could just wait for her to come home and just have sex.
Because is 10 am and she isnt coming home for 6 hours? timing isnt really the point though. It was an example. Who cares why you arent waiting...maybe she started her time of the month, and you cant wait a week?
 
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Lyndies

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So is masturbation a sin if i'm married and my wife is at the store and Im fantasizing about her? or is it only sometimes a sin?
Why don't you just wait until your wife comes home and respect her by actually letting her be a part of it?
 
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ok say my wife is unable to have sex? then what?

Im just saying some issues dont have a blanket statement likes its wrong and thats that. I mean if you are fantasizing about the one youre married too and she is either unable or unavaialble i see no issue with it. I mean i get it would be dultery if you fantasized about someone else. But you arent so its all good.
 
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lil-rush

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ok say my wife is unable to have sex? then what?

Im just saying some issues dont have a blanket statement likes its wrong and thats that. I mean if you are fantasizing about the one youre married too and she is either unable or unavaialble i see no issue with it. I mean i get it would be dultery if you fantasized about someone else. But you arent so its all good.
If I was married, cheated on my husband, but then said "I was thinking about you the whole time I was sleeping with that man, so it's basically like I was having sex with you" it would still be adultery.

Likewise, masturbating with oneself is basically having sex with someone other than your spouse. To say "I was thinking of you the whole time I was doing it" does not make it okay.
 
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wow...youre so closeminded. there is nothing wrong with what i described. you arent cheating thats ridiculous
 
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lil-rush

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wow...youre so closeminded. there is nothing wrong with what i described. you arent cheating thats ridiculous
Well, being close-minded means I have less chance of my brain falling out, yeah?

On a serious note, terms such as "close-minded," "legalistic," and "religious" are generally cop-out terms when used in an argument. Responding to an argument with "You're so closeminded" does not refute a point.
 
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ok you're point actually has no direct link to scripture rather its your own interpretation and i believe it is wrong. im sure if i were on a business trip away from home God would much rather me take care of my needs personally fantasizing about my and not going out to a bar and trying to find a quick fix that way. saying pleasuring myself to the thought of my own wife when it is physically impossible to be with her is a sin is ludricous. Does it make it any better if me and her are having relations over the phone? i mean really not every issue has one cut and dry response.
 
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Lyndies

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I would just feel bad if my husband felt the need to do that with himself if he had me. I mean, even if it was that time of the month, I could still do things for him. And, my gosh, if I was at the grocery store, I hope he could have the patience to wait til I get home.

Also, if you can't have self-discipline to be able to wait a little while for your wife, then sexual cravings are having the best of you. A fruit of the Spirit is self-control. You're not going to die of you have to wait a little while.
 
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ok well i watched a video tonight it was a mark driscoll sermon but it had good points. He said if you can do it without lust its not a sin, youre just weird. And im still going with if im on a business trip or something im still going for it, though i can see your point in the other situations
 
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Theron

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i have a gift of spiritual discernment, or people call it other things, not only can i see spirits , i can feel them, and when i do lust, i feel it around me, along with knowing, its bad and feeeling conviction, i can feel a prescence and even see it (or a spirit) sometimes dpending on how long i fall into lust,
so i mean, when i do do it without lusting, i feel fine, like, i dont feel a spirit and i dont feel conviction,
for me its another way of keeping my v card, say im going to a place were something could possibly happen, ill do that so as to reduce my chances of even gettin aroused, so it saves me from alot of problems, i mean how is it wrong,? (to do it without lusting) beacause the moment i even lust a little bit the holyspirit is on my case "you dont have to do this" "you should find something to get your mind of this" "theo get your mind right" etc but im yet again not hearing a thing when im not lusting, so yes i may be weird but i doubt thats a sin, and even so, i do it once a blue moon, i prefer to dance rap and or draw to release stress that is just a method of lowering my chance even further of getting caught up with a seductress
 
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rkmonkey

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Well, this certainly is a blunt topic.

Here are my thoughts on why I say it is sinful.

Masturbation is essentially an imitation of sex. A Christian punk band called Lust Control says it well in a song called "The Big M". "Masturbation is artificial sex". By masturbating, you are, effectively, having sex, only without another person involved.

The lack of a partner also causes issues. When an individual achieves orgasm, several chemicals are released in the brain. Among these are one where, in that moment, essentially your brain takes a snapshot of that moment in time. It is forever glued into your mind. Achieving orgasm enough times and it would get jumbled around and lost in your head like any other memory might, but it is still an interesting distinct memory formation. The other chemical that I think is important is one which causes you to bond with your partner. I'd honestly go as far as to say this is intended by God to be for the spiritual aspect of being one flesh with your spouse. If you lack a partner, then you do not have someone to bond to during that moment. This, coupled with the whole memory formation thing can be problematic. I'm sure many who have struggled with pornography and masturbation will know what I'm talking about here. If you try stopping this behavior, your mind will draw on these images implanted on your brain when you become aroused. This can, in turn, lead to a relapse or sexual dreams and so on.

I'm not sure that I described that very well. Hopefully that made sense. The information about the chemicals comes from a book called Porn Nation by Michael Leahy.

My last big reason for thinking that it is sinful is simply that it is addictive behavior. It can often take over a part of a person's character, giving them a sort of secret life as a masturbator and a regular person. This behavior sometimes snowballs and is often where weird behaviors such as exhibitionism come from. I really don't think that anything that is addictive can be considered anything but sinful. I refer specifically to things that are universally addictive rather than something that simply can BE addictive, such as chocolate or video games.

Now, I do think there are legitimate reasons for someone to masturbate, though I think these are rare. For instance, if I were married, and 2 years into the married my wife was injured in some awful way that required the end of a sex life, I think it would be acceptable to turn to masturbation. The whole "spouse away on business" thing I hear sometimes is a little silly though, as I think the idea of waiting to see each other would result in much more passionate and, perhaps in its own way, a little bit more "romantic" because of the anticipation of waiting to be reunited would come to a close.

Lastly, I think that masturbation would always be a lesser evil to committing a sexual act with someone else outside of marriage. I can't truly envision a scenario where that would actually come up, but I just thought I'd share that.

Obviously this is all simply my opinion, but I thought I'd share. Sorry for being a little blunt, but I think that's the best way to discuss such topics.
 
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FirePanther

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In my opinion if we want to follow God completely we must reicognize masturbation is a sin. It makes you slave, when you do it your thoughts are not pure, it's something that sadden the Holy Spirit .. :(

Mastrubation gives you also a distort vision of sex. You will start to think about sex like something for your selfish pleasure instead of a gift given from God to be shared with the person that will be with you all life long..
The truth is that if you are living a life filled with the Holy Spirit you will soon reicognize it's something bad, you'll feel it inside! And in my opinion only when the Holy Spirit will convince you that masturbation is a sin and when you'll start to live a life in God's presence, you'll be able to be free from this sin.

Someone said "God wants you happy and not frustated so you can do it", well in my opinion if you can't stop doing it, it means you are slave to that sin and God before everything wants you to be free! Real happiness shouldn't come from that.
 
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lil-rush

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Masturbation gives you also a distort vision of sex. You will start to think about sex like something for your selfish pleasure instead of a gift given from God to be shared with the person that will be with you all life long.
Hence all the comments about "Well, what if my wife becomes injured and we can no longer have sex? I can masturbate then to keep my lust under control."

Uhm, how about the spouse that can't even masturbate because she has been injured? Selfish! All you care about is your own lustful desires. Life isn't all about sex, and if you cannot get sex with your spouse, learn to deal. Don't turn to other means to satisfy your flesh.

People who think they need to masturbate in order to keep their lust under control need to realize your lust isn't under control. If it was under control, you wouldn't need to masturbate. Life is not about pleasing yourself. It's about pleasing God.