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It also says the Jewish religious leaders should kill people who engage in bestiality, homosexuality, and incest. Men are not to have long hair. It also has a little something about sacrificing animals to God to atone for the sins of the people.
But, uh.
We're not Jewish.
We're Christians.
I've never attended a stoning, and I've certainly never sacrificed an animal to atone for my sins. You know, there are two sections to our Holy Book. The first one is pre- Jesus (All the stuff you mention. Where God basically says to be kind to your slaves, do good, etc) and the second one is post- Jesus. You see, we kinda use the first one for historical purposes. The second one is the one we really follow.
So why are you taking stuff out of a religion we do not follow, and trying to apply it to us?
But, uh.
We're not Jewish.
We're Christians.
I've never attended a stoning, and I've certainly never sacrificed an animal to atone for my sins. You know, there are two sections to our Holy Book. The first one is pre- Jesus (All the stuff you mention. Where God basically says to be kind to your slaves, do good, etc) and the second one is post- Jesus. You see, we kinda use the first one for historical purposes. The second one is the one we really follow.
So why are you taking stuff out of a religion we do not follow, and trying to apply it to us?
J
I am confused... How can you be so selective with your understanding?
Can you give me the names of the Christian churches who practice animal sacrifices for atonement of sins?
Yes, we still worship the same God- who had not provided atonement for sins during those times through the Blood of his Son in the Old Testament.
Do you not understand that when Jesus (Whom we worship) died on the Cross, He provided a way out for our sins, so that we did not have to suffer the wrath of a sinless God?
Just how much of our Holy Book have you read, and would you like any cream for the cherries YOU are picking out?
If you would kindly read our Holy Book the Bible, and tried to understand it, you might see that if it were not for Jesus coming to Earth as a man, then we WOULD have to live under those violent laws, yes.
Care to take anything else out of context? I have a fridge full of whipped cream for you.
Can you give me the names of the Christian churches who practice animal sacrifices for atonement of sins?
Yes, we still worship the same God- who had not provided atonement for sins during those times through the Blood of his Son in the Old Testament.
Do you not understand that when Jesus (Whom we worship) died on the Cross, He provided a way out for our sins, so that we did not have to suffer the wrath of a sinless God?
Just how much of our Holy Book have you read, and would you like any cream for the cherries YOU are picking out?
If you would kindly read our Holy Book the Bible, and tried to understand it, you might see that if it were not for Jesus coming to Earth as a man, then we WOULD have to live under those violent laws, yes.
Care to take anything else out of context? I have a fridge full of whipped cream for you.
There is no double standard, Jesus referenced Sodom and Gomorrah in the gospels. Also, those were not hateful, God does not like sexual sin or any sin, but especially sexual sin but he loves the sinner. Because of homosexuality, Sodom and Gomorrah, were destroyed, other places were not destroyed that way because that was not the way they were. That was the key sin of Sodom and Gomorrah but there of course were other sins as well. Again, when it comes to this you have to obey what God says about it. Also, even though Jesus did not mention homosexuality, he never said that the view on homosexuality changed. I don't know why he did not mention it in the Bible, but that does not mean he was not against homosexuality.
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrouding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Jude 1:17-19
But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Matthew 10:15
Truly I tell you it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.
Again, the Bible is a transitional book, from the Old Testament to the New Testament, the covenant changes, the ceremonial law changes, the civil law changes, but the moral law of God never changes. But the opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality, as some think. But the opposite is identified in Christ and his holiness, that should be the identity of a Christian. While there are some "Christians'' who claim to be ''gay'', they will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord of one's life, loving God, and following his commands as best as we can with God helping, can we please God. So I challenge anyone who has not read the Bible, do so today. Do not read it quickly, but certain verses read over and over. The stance of the church historically has been against homosexuality but yet nowadays it is being called an identity and even one person in history (I forget his name) wanted to call it a race. So Christians should love everyone that includes homosexuals but we have to warn those who believe or engage in these practices and thoughts which include adultery, sexual immorality, orgies, anger, etc. to renounce them, give them to God, and their identity to be in Him alone and not in ourselves, believing that one is better than God. Christians cannot accept the identity excuse, the born this way excuse, etc. True, we are all born into sin, but homosexuality is not a sin that one is born with, it goes against the very nature of what it means to be human the way God intended it to be. God bless.
Jude 1:22-23
Be merciful to those who doubt; [SUP]23 [/SUP]save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrouding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Jude 1:17-19
But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Matthew 10:15
Truly I tell you it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.
Again, the Bible is a transitional book, from the Old Testament to the New Testament, the covenant changes, the ceremonial law changes, the civil law changes, but the moral law of God never changes. But the opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality, as some think. But the opposite is identified in Christ and his holiness, that should be the identity of a Christian. While there are some "Christians'' who claim to be ''gay'', they will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord of one's life, loving God, and following his commands as best as we can with God helping, can we please God. So I challenge anyone who has not read the Bible, do so today. Do not read it quickly, but certain verses read over and over. The stance of the church historically has been against homosexuality but yet nowadays it is being called an identity and even one person in history (I forget his name) wanted to call it a race. So Christians should love everyone that includes homosexuals but we have to warn those who believe or engage in these practices and thoughts which include adultery, sexual immorality, orgies, anger, etc. to renounce them, give them to God, and their identity to be in Him alone and not in ourselves, believing that one is better than God. Christians cannot accept the identity excuse, the born this way excuse, etc. True, we are all born into sin, but homosexuality is not a sin that one is born with, it goes against the very nature of what it means to be human the way God intended it to be. God bless.
Jude 1:22-23
Be merciful to those who doubt; [SUP]23 [/SUP]save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
C
This is a tough one for me man, I don't think you get what i'm saying...
People who are SAVED but are struggling with their homosexual lifestyle will not go to Hell dude... Just won't happen. Homosexuals who aren't saved WILL go to Hell. But that's just not aimed at homosexuals, it's aimed at everyone. Anyone who isn't saved will go to Hell. If they're saved, they'll go to Heaven. No matter what they do. That's all i'm saying.
Nowhere did I say that everyone is going to Heaven. I'll say it once again... People who are saved will go to Heaven. No matter what they do. People who are not saved will not go to Heaven. That's it.
People who rape and murder children can get saved, and be forgiven by God. They'll go to Heaven too, but only if they're saved. What i'm getting from you is this:
If you rape and murder children, and you're gay, you'll go to Hell.
That's just not right. That's why Jesus died on the cross, to pay for our sins. To save us. They WILL go to Hell if they never get saved, though. But that's it.
And I know God can get angry man, but the point is He's slow to anger. He can get angry at us, yes, but he forgives instantly. He doesn't hate us though. He could hate us if he wanted to, but he chooses not to, because that's the type of God He is. He's just that great. There's a saying that i've heard at a bunch of churches: "God loves people."
And as for the speed limit scenario you mentioned, that's how God is. Sin is sin. That may seem ridiculous, but it's true. Sin is sin. He doesn't view sin any differently than another or measure sin. We do. That's the thing. I've heard many spiritual people speak about this, prophets and such. I'd trust them over someone on the internet any day.
He still loves the sinner. If they never get saved, the yes, he'll damn them to Hell. But not because they sinned, but because they're not saved.
And everyone IS covered by the blood of Jesus Christ, but it's up to the person if they're going to Heaven or not. It's up to the person if they get saved or not.
Bottom line of my argument: If you're saved, you'll go to Heaven. No matter what you do. If you're damned to Hell, it's because you're not saved, and not because of your sins.
People who are SAVED but are struggling with their homosexual lifestyle will not go to Hell dude... Just won't happen. Homosexuals who aren't saved WILL go to Hell. But that's just not aimed at homosexuals, it's aimed at everyone. Anyone who isn't saved will go to Hell. If they're saved, they'll go to Heaven. No matter what they do. That's all i'm saying.
Nowhere did I say that everyone is going to Heaven. I'll say it once again... People who are saved will go to Heaven. No matter what they do. People who are not saved will not go to Heaven. That's it.
People who rape and murder children can get saved, and be forgiven by God. They'll go to Heaven too, but only if they're saved. What i'm getting from you is this:
If you rape and murder children, and you're gay, you'll go to Hell.
That's just not right. That's why Jesus died on the cross, to pay for our sins. To save us. They WILL go to Hell if they never get saved, though. But that's it.
And I know God can get angry man, but the point is He's slow to anger. He can get angry at us, yes, but he forgives instantly. He doesn't hate us though. He could hate us if he wanted to, but he chooses not to, because that's the type of God He is. He's just that great. There's a saying that i've heard at a bunch of churches: "God loves people."
And as for the speed limit scenario you mentioned, that's how God is. Sin is sin. That may seem ridiculous, but it's true. Sin is sin. He doesn't view sin any differently than another or measure sin. We do. That's the thing. I've heard many spiritual people speak about this, prophets and such. I'd trust them over someone on the internet any day.
He still loves the sinner. If they never get saved, the yes, he'll damn them to Hell. But not because they sinned, but because they're not saved.
And everyone IS covered by the blood of Jesus Christ, but it's up to the person if they're going to Heaven or not. It's up to the person if they get saved or not.
Bottom line of my argument: If you're saved, you'll go to Heaven. No matter what you do. If you're damned to Hell, it's because you're not saved, and not because of your sins.
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correct if there are Christians who are gay, then they are not really christians. Actually homosexuals will go to hell
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."1 Corinthians 6:9-10
...my dear friend...I am 'ultra straight' by nature - I am totally 'anti-gay' - naturally; ....however, I can truly understand where you are coming from...; in terms of 'not feeling right with God'....and how you wish God would free you from this...
...I truly - from the compassion and Heart that is God - pray He delivers you, and gives you rebirth into His true Image, that you understand His true blueprint of the desire of man for woman, and the intense love and passion involved..., and straightens that which is crooked, for you show a true desire regardless of the enemies attacks on your desires for the true and correct ways of the Most High, and may He truly bless and free you ... my brother in Christ...
...I truly - from the compassion and Heart that is God - pray He delivers you, and gives you rebirth into His true Image, that you understand His true blueprint of the desire of man for woman, and the intense love and passion involved..., and straightens that which is crooked, for you show a true desire regardless of the enemies attacks on your desires for the true and correct ways of the Most High, and may He truly bless and free you ... my brother in Christ...
...do not identify with the lifestyle; it is not the real you that is the true image of God, but a distortion that you don't have to accept as your own. Pray for and visualize the Fire of God, purifying you from the inside out, via the Blood of Christ ... do this visual-prayer constantly - with severe intent and prayer, and invoke the Spirit of God to take you over and transform you...Make this your primary desire - for God says: "...and you will seek and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart" Jeremiah 29:13
...you must desire God and His ways more than this lifestyle..., and be freed in Him..., and see that it was never the true identity of who you were and supposed to be - in Christ...
...you must desire God and His ways more than this lifestyle..., and be freed in Him..., and see that it was never the true identity of who you were and supposed to be - in Christ...
S
I respectfully disagree. While repentance is indeed a focal point of a Christian's lifestyle and we will be judged, I think it's hypocritical to condemn any sin selectively to the point of decrying someone their Christianity. Everyone is a sinner before the Lord, so by the same logic: is everyone not a Christian?
God does hate the sinner as well.
Hosea 9:15: “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I will love them no more...”
Malachi 1:3-4: “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness..."
But I digress - I've wondered if the context is a little roundabout to us, as I've heard others teach this too.
While repentance is indeed a focal point of a Christian's lifestyle and we will be judged, I think it's hypocritical to condemn any sin selectively to the point of decrying someone their Christianity. Everyone is a sinner before the Lord, so by the same logic: is everyone not a Christian?God does hate the sinner as well.
Hosea 9:15: “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I will love them no more...”
Malachi 1:3-4: “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness..."
But I digress - I've wondered if the context is a little roundabout to us, as I've heard others teach this too.
Halleluah for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because God just love us all and it is between God and that person, not anyone else. All I can ever convey is God just love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. That is the foundation and then grow, and build and see that God does just love you, then between God and you you will eiter agree to change or and not, we all still have free choice no matter what anyone else says
I personally am Gay, Being Happy that is, as waht was the true meaning of gay way back when. Everyone is free, just stay away from harming others. love thy neighbor as God has loved you period
Because God just love us all and it is between God and that person, not anyone else. All I can ever convey is God just love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. That is the foundation and then grow, and build and see that God does just love you, then between God and you you will eiter agree to change or and not, we all still have free choice no matter what anyone else says
I personally am Gay, Being Happy that is, as waht was the true meaning of gay way back when. Everyone is free, just stay away from harming others. love thy neighbor as God has loved you period
D
Well, to be honest, " gay christian " is an oxymoron ! Remember what happened to Sodome and Gomorrah ? That was a great warning from above towards all misleaded and confused people who would want to follow the same abominable way as sodomites !
I feel very sorry for those greatly misleaded and confused people, but men-men and women-women are totally against nature and True Christians should feel a great horror about it ! True Christians should not be ashamed of Jesus Word about what He thinks of great abominations of sodomites ! If they are ashamed of Jesus Word, then they chose to fear men rather than Him !
Let's face it ! This world is a fallen world temporary lead by Satan ! Is it surprising that great abominations like men-men and women-women exist in this fallen world temporary lead by Satan ? How it comes that so many Christians forget we're at a great spiritual war against Satan and his fallen angels ?
Soon or later, this fallen world will be utterly destroyed with fire from above the same way Sodome and Gomorrah were !
It will be like a baptism of fire to destroy all the works of Satan on earth and in all the Universe !
The great flood was like a baptism of water to utterly destroy the old evil world and the old evil man !
Just do the same in your life with Jesus as your only Father and Leader ! Do not let foolish men be your fathers and leaders ! Please ! You don't deserve that !
I feel very sorry for those greatly misleaded and confused people, but men-men and women-women are totally against nature and True Christians should feel a great horror about it ! True Christians should not be ashamed of Jesus Word about what He thinks of great abominations of sodomites ! If they are ashamed of Jesus Word, then they chose to fear men rather than Him !
Let's face it ! This world is a fallen world temporary lead by Satan ! Is it surprising that great abominations like men-men and women-women exist in this fallen world temporary lead by Satan ? How it comes that so many Christians forget we're at a great spiritual war against Satan and his fallen angels ?
Soon or later, this fallen world will be utterly destroyed with fire from above the same way Sodome and Gomorrah were !
It will be like a baptism of fire to destroy all the works of Satan on earth and in all the Universe !
The great flood was like a baptism of water to utterly destroy the old evil world and the old evil man !
Just do the same in your life with Jesus as your only Father and Leader ! Do not let foolish men be your fathers and leaders ! Please ! You don't deserve that !