Gods will.

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Jullianna

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It is not always in the best interest of a christian to be healed physically. There is more to the "healing of the nations" than this.

EXAMPLE: My stepfather was not a christian until months before he died. I loved him dearly, but he’d led a very wild life. As I sat with him as lung cancer ate a hole in his side, he told me this:

“I know that a lot of people at church are praying for God to heal me; but I know in my heart that if He did I would go back to being the same jerk I was before.”
 
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hislastwalk

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Jullianna said:
It is not always in the best interest of a christian to be healed physically. There is more to the "healing of the nations" than this.

EXAMPLE: My stepfather was not a christian until months before he died. I loved him dearly, but he’d led a very wild life. As I sat with him as lung cancer ate a hole in his side, he told me this:

“I know that a lot of people at church are praying for God to heal me; but I know in my heart that if He did I would go back to being the same jerk I was before.”
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I don't know your situation, but I know God didn't cause it...
I thought the same thing about my Grandpa, and God told me.. "If he was truly saved he wouldn't have went back." just what God told me.. God hates sin, and He also hates sickness. Satan tries to get us to accept that God wants us to stay sick.
 
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leelee

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Gods will is not actually something you know. Its his will and tbh I find your proclamation of knowing it to be offensive.
 
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Jullianna

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I'm not saying He caused it.

JOHN 9: 1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."



I'm saying He used it for good.

ROMANS 8: 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

"All things" means ALL THINGS, even sickness.
 
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hislastwalk

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Jullianna said:
I'm not saying He caused it.

JOHN 9: 1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."



I'm saying He used it for good.

ROMANS 8: 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

"All things" means ALL THINGS, even sickness.
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keep reading, Jesus healed Him and displayed the works of God :)
 
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hislastwalk

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leelee said:
Gods will is not actually something you know. Its his will and tbh I find your proclamation of knowing it to be offensive.
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the truth is always gonna be offensive. I know what the bible says, and God only gives you what He haves.. and he doesn't have sickness or disease. God CAN'T do the works of evil. Now go.. if all you wanna do is argue, then go >.>
 
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hislastwalk

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If Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 and are unified as 1 called the Holy Trinity. If God causes sickness and Jesus heals sickness does that not put them at work against each other and not in unity. How can God who is absolute good and light annd in Him is no darkness. Have any sickness which is evil because it comes from the spirit of infirmity. Because if God caused sickness it would have to be done by the Holy Sprit that does His performing and that would be blasphemy for He only does good.
 
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hislastwalk

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ahh, so I use to be gay, I should have accepted it, and said "God made me gay, He gave it to me." He worked that out for my good, for me to be used by men, and to never have a father. NO.
 
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Jullianna

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hislastwalk said:
keep reading, Jesus healed Him and displayed the works of God :)
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I read that part as well, but that wasn't my point. :) I was addressing your cause/effect post.

God healed my father too, just not physically in this life. There is far more to healing than the physical.
 
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Jullianna

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Psalm 119

65 You have dealt well with Your servant,
O LORD, according to Your word. 66 Teach me good judgment and h knowledge,
For I believe Your commandments. 67 Before I was i afflicted I went astray,
But now I keep Your word. 68 You are j good, and do good;
Teach me Your statutes. 69 The proud have k forged 11 a lie against me,
But I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart. 70 l Their heart is 12 as fat as grease,
But I delight in Your law. 71It is good for me that I have been afflicted,
That I may learn Your statutes. 72 m The law of Your mouth is better to me
73 n Your hands have made me and fashioned me;
Give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments. 74 o Those who fear You will be glad when they see me,
Because I have hoped in Your word. 75 I know, O LORD, p that Your judgments are 13 right,
And that in faithfulness You have afflicted me.
 
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jimmydiggs

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hislastwalk said:
Sickness isn't of God.
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Depends on what you mean by sickness.

God does send plagues.
Exodus 9:14
or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth.

Genesis 12:17
But the LORD inflicted serious diseases on Pharaoh and his household because of Abram's wife Sarai.


Exodus 4:11
The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?


2 Kings 5:15

5 Then the Lord struck the king, so that he was a leper until the day of his death; so he dwelt in an isolated house. And Jotham the king’s son was over the royal house, judging the people of the land.

Luke 9:19-20
19 And the angel answered and said to him, “I am vGabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you 4these glad wtidings. 20 But behold, xyou will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.

Just a sample. :)
 
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jimmydiggs

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Jullianna said:
Psalm 119

65 You have dealt well with Your servant,
O LORD, according to Your word. 66 Teach me good judgment and h knowledge,
For I believe Your commandments. 67 Before I was i afflicted I went astray,
But now I keep Your word. 68 You are j good, and do good;
Teach me Your statutes. 69 The proud have k forged 11 a lie against me,
But I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart. 70 l Their heart is 12 as fat as grease,
But I delight in Your law. 71It is good for me that I have been afflicted,
That I may learn Your statutes. 72 m The law of Your mouth is better to me
73 n Your hands have made me and fashioned me;
Give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments. 74 o Those who fear You will be glad when they see me,
Because I have hoped in Your word. 75 I know, O LORD, p that Your judgments are 13 right,
And that in faithfulness You have afflicted me.
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Awww man, it took me so long to put my post together you beat me to psalm 119. :( Now I shall cut it out of my post. Good thinking. :)
 
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hislastwalk

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jimmydiggs said:
Depends on what you mean by sickness.

God does send plagues.
Exodus 9:14
or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth.

Genesis 12:17
But the LORD inflicted serious diseases on Pharaoh and his household because of Abram's wife Sarai.


Exodus 4:11
The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?


2 Kings 5:15

5 Then the Lord struck the king, so that he was a leper until the day of his death; so he dwelt in an isolated house. And Jotham the king’s son was over the royal house, judging the people of the land.

Luke 9:19-20
19 And the angel answered and said to him, “I am vGabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you 4these glad wtidings. 20 But behold, xyou will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.

Just a sample. :)
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God doesn't send plagues anymore. All that is an Old Testament/Judgment Day mindset.
 
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Jullianna

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He doesn't? How do we know? Have you read the Revelation?
 
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Jullianna

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It is important to note that the writer of Psalm 119 was a BELIEVER, not an unbeliever.
 
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jimmydiggs

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hislastwalk said:
God doesn't send plagues anymore. All that is an Old Testament/Judgment Day mindset.
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Ever heard of Ananias and Saphira?

You have a very erroneous view of the relationship of the Old Testament and New Testament.

I'm not even sure where to begin on the matter.



Examples from the New Testament though:

Acts 12:33
Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.

Revelation 15:1
I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.


Rev 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

Ever heard of Ananias and Saphira?

Just a sample. :)

Psalm 107:17-19

17 Some became fools through their rebellious ways
and suffered affliction because of their iniquities.
18 They loathed all food
and drew near the gates of death.
19 Then they cried to the LORD in their trouble,
and he saved them from their distress.
20 He sent out his word and healed them;
he rescued them from the grave.
 
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hislastwalk

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jimmydiggs said:
Ever heard of Ananias and Saphira?

You have a very erroneous view of the relationship of the Old Testament and New Testament.

I'm not even sure where to begin on the matter.



Examples from the New Testament though:

Acts 12:33
Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.

Revelation 15:1
I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.


Rev 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

Ever heard of Ananias and Saphira?

Just a sample. :)

Psalm 107:17-19

17 Some became fools through their rebellious ways
and suffered affliction because of their iniquities.
18 They loathed all food
and drew near the gates of death.
19 Then they cried to the LORD in their trouble,
and he saved them from their distress.
20 He sent out his word and healed them;
he rescued them from the grave.
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again, you're using verses from Revelation.
I will not ever get sick :) I know I won't. I speak HEALTH and tell my body how to feel.
 
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jimmydiggs

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John 9:1-3

1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
 
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